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Britain's future in Europe is on a knife-edge, according to the shock results of an exclusive Sky News poll on how the country would vote in an EU referendum.
Asked if the UK should remain a member of the European Union, a tiny majority of voters said No. And the biggest concern to voters was the power to control immigration.
The poll, by Survation, will send shockwaves through the high command of the three major parties, whose leaders are all broadly in favour of Britain remaining in the EU.
But it will provide a huge boost for Nigel Farage's UKIP and Tory Euro-sceptics, suggesting there is everything to play for in the referendum promised by David Cameron in 2017.
Asked: "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the EU?" - 44% said Yes, 45% No and 11% Don't Know. When the answers were adjusted to exclude Don't Knows, the result was 49% Yes and 51% No. The poll also suggests that even though a referendum could be four years away, the vast majority have made up their mind and will not be swayed by the political debate between now and 2017.
Asked: "How certain are you that you would actually vote this way in a real referendum?" - 51% said they would definitely vote this way and nothing could change their mind and 45% said they would probably vote this way.
The results of our poll will also boost UKIP in the answers voters gave when asked what powers they want to see clawed back from Brussels in negotiations promised by the Prime Minister.
Voters were asked: "If there was to be a renegotiation of the UK's relationship with the EU, which of the following areas (if any) currently under EU control would you most like to see returned to the UK?"
Way out in front, on 65% was the power to control immigration between EU countries, an issue championed by UKIP and identified by Mr Farage as his party's top priority.
Next came policing and criminal justice powers, such as the European Arrest Warrant, on 45%, and third employment law, on 40%, ahead of the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy, on 36%. The poll also revealed that most voters know little about the main figures in the EU, such as Brussels supremos Manuel Barroso, Herman Van Rompuy and Cathy Ashton.
Only 23% recognised Mr Barroso when shown a photo, 19% recognised Mr Van Rompuy and 23% Ms Ashton. Yet 74% recognised German Chancellor Angel Merkel, 52% French President Francois Hollande and 98% Mr Cameron. Email Share40
Love to know if Britain leaves the European Union (E.U.) what will happen to the millions of brits that live in the EU, will they still have residency of there adopted countries?
And what of the EU nationals that reside in Britain, would they have to leave?
I asked my MP a Conservative, and Junior Minster in the government this question who wants to leave the EU and she did not have an answer.
If they did leave there adopted countries can you imagine the logistical nightmare this would be .
Leaving would be mad until questions like these are answered id vote to stay in personally. because we do not know what will happen if we leave better the devil you know, then the one you dont. IMO
Tomcats2: Love to know if Britain leaves the European Union (E.U.) what will happen to the millions of brits that live in the EU, will they still have residency of there adopted countries?
And what of the EU nationals that reside in Britain, would they have to leave? I asked my MP a Conservative, and Junior Minster in the government this question who wants to leave the EU and she did not have an answer.
If they did leave there adopted countries can you imagine the logistical nightmare this would be .
Leaving would be mad until questions like these are answered id vote to stay in personally. because we do not know what will happen if we leave better the devil you know, then the one you dont. IMO
Spain is not going to kick out the only people left with any money and neither is the rest of Southern Europe: which is where the vast majority of British expats are in Europe.
On the contrary, the logistical nightmare will come as Europe deterioirates and British expats can't abandon ship fast enough.
Tomcats2: Love to know if Britain leaves the European Union (E.U.) what will happen to the millions of brits that live in the EU, will they still have residency of there adopted countries?
And what of the EU nationals that reside in Britain, would they have to leave? I asked my MP a Conservative, and Junior Minster in the government this question who wants to leave the EU and she did not have an answer.
If they did leave there adopted countries can you imagine the logistical nightmare this would be .
Leaving would be mad until questions like these are answered id vote to stay in personally. because we do not know what will happen if we leave better the devil you know, then the one you dont. IMO
They will be OK in Ireland as Ireland and The UK have had a deal since before the EU or EEC came into being. We can move freely over there and they can do the same here.
It may really effect their foreign trade though as EU countries do business quicker with other EU Countries. No import duties to worry about. Also a lot of financial companies based in London may move their base as the UK being in the EU is one of the main reason they have their European operations there.
But it's completely up to the people of the UK to decide what they want.
Tomcats2: Love to know if Britain leaves the European Union (E.U.) what will happen to the millions of brits that live in the EU, will they still have residency of there adopted countries?
And what of the EU nationals that reside in Britain, would they have to leave? I asked my MP a Conservative, and Junior Minster in the government this question who wants to leave the EU and she did not have an answer.
If they did leave there adopted countries can you imagine the logistical nightmare this would be .
Leaving would be mad until questions like these are answered id vote to stay in personally. because we do not know what will happen if we leave better the devil you know, then the one you dont. IMO
Interesting question. I'm not sure that if UK leaves the EU it means necessarily breaking all the treaties signed during the time that remained as an EU member.
Then the inmigration laws could remain in force, if only for reasons of reciprocity.
Here there are parties which also want to leave the EU. Strange, because today a lot of spanish are working outside the country.
tomcatwarne: Britain's future in Europe is on a knife-edge, according to the shock results of an exclusive Sky News poll on how the country would vote in an EU referendum.
Asked if the UK should remain a member of the European Union, a tiny majority of voters said No. And the biggest concern to voters was the power to control immigration.
The poll, by Survation, will send shockwaves through the high command of the three major parties, whose leaders are all broadly in favour of Britain remaining in the EU.
But it will provide a huge boost for Nigel Farage's UKIP and Tory Euro-sceptics, suggesting there is everything to play for in the referendum promised by David Cameron in 2017.
Asked: "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the EU?" - 44% said Yes, 45% No and 11% Don't Know. When the answers were adjusted to exclude Don't Knows, the result was 49% Yes and 51% No. The poll also suggests that even though a referendum could be four years away, the vast majority have made up their mind and will not be swayed by the political debate between now and 2017.
Asked: "How certain are you that you would actually vote this way in a real referendum?" - 51% said they would definitely vote this way and nothing could change their mind and 45% said they would probably vote this way.
The results of our poll will also boost UKIP in the answers voters gave when asked what powers they want to see clawed back from Brussels in negotiations promised by the Prime Minister.
Voters were asked: "If there was to be a renegotiation of the UK's relationship with the EU, which of the following areas (if any) currently under EU control would you most like to see returned to the UK?"
Way out in front, on 65% was the power to control immigration between EU countries, an issue championed by UKIP and identified by Mr Farage as his party's top priority.
Next came policing and criminal justice powers, such as the European Arrest Warrant, on 45%, and third employment law, on 40%, ahead of the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy, on 36%. The poll also revealed that most voters know little about the main figures in the EU, such as Brussels supremos Manuel Barroso, Herman Van Rompuy and Cathy Ashton.
Only 23% recognised Mr Barroso when shown a photo, 19% recognised Mr Van Rompuy and 23% Ms Ashton. Yet 74% recognised German Chancellor Angel Merkel, 52% French President Francois Hollande and 98% Mr Cameron. Email Share40
What does Germany think about England seceding from the Union? Will their be civil war like when the confederate south tried to leave the holier than though United States?
galrads: What does Germany think about England seceding from the Union? Will their be civil war like when the confederate south tried to leave the holier than though United States?
I'd say Germany will be delighted. More power for them and the French. The only country getting anything from the EU at the moment is Germany. They are keeping the currency(Euro) at a low level by shafting the Southern Euro countries so their exports are flying!
galrads: What does Germany think about England seceding from the Union? Will their be civil war like when the confederate south tried to leave the holier than though United States?
Germany will be delighted. They'll get what they didn't get in 1945 without firing a shot. Control of Europe and ownership of a great deal of mortgaged property and land all around the other countries that foolish governments like the Irish one handed them on a plate. Am I the only one that has noticed that lately the decisions are being made in Berlin and not the Hague. Oh and it's not England but the UK as the union currently stands.
Godsgift: Germany will be delighted. They'll get what they didn't get in 1945 without firing a shot. Control of Europe and ownership of a great deal of mortgaged property and land all around the other countries that foolish governments like the Irish one handed them on a plate. Am I the only one that has noticed that lately the decisions are being made in Berlin and not the Hague. Oh and it's not England but the UK as the union currently stands.
galrads: What does Germany think about England seceding from the Union? Will their be civil war like when the confederate south tried to leave the holier than though United States?
Nah, it's not a secession because the "Union" is just a utopic project. Now even Germany doesn't want to give a part of its sovereignity to the EU institutions.
GUZMAN1: Nah, it's not a secession because the "Union" is just a utopic project. Now even Germany doesn't want to give a part of its sovereignity to the EU institutions.
so, why does England need to secede from utopia when it doesnt share the common currency and economic risk that comes with it? and, the U.S.A. isn't a utopic project with a constitution which allows for the individual states to secede if they want to?
galrads: so, why does England need to secede from utopia when it doesnt share the common currency and economic risk that comes with it? and, the U.S.A. isn't a utopic project with a constitution which allows for the individual states to secede if they want to?
There are EU laws that all countries must abide by if they use the currency or not. A lot of the Conservative party in the UK dont like this ans feel they are losing votes to the UK Independence party (UKIP) that are pushing for leaving the EU. Thats basically it in a nutshell.
galrads: so, why does England need to secede from utopia when it doesnt share the common currency and economic risk that comes with it? and, the U.S.A. isn't a utopic project with a constitution which allows for the individual states to secede if they want to?
I wouldn't say that the EU and the USA are just utopies, but the EU was founded by the former member states gradually ceding its sovereignty to common institutions, through treaties. UK has not accepted some of these treaties, such as the common currency.
In the U.S. case the process is different, the Federal Government has powers that have never belonged to the states, such as currency and army. Perhaps I don't know very well your history, but U.S.A. and E.U. are two very different things.
GUZMAN1: I wouldn't say that the EU and the USA are just utopies, but the EU was founded by the former member states gradually ceding its sovereignty to common institutions, through treaties. UK has not accepted some of these treaties, such as the common currency.
In the U.S. case the process is different, the Federal Government has powers that have never belonged to the states, such as currency and army. Perhaps I don't know very well your history, but U.S.A. and E.U. are two very different things.
Yep, two diff entities. However, States here did print their own currencies and state militias, guards, reserves exist here today. Some states are now threaghtening to again print their own money here because they don't want to go down with the ship in wash d.c. as the fed government continues to go further in debt.
GUZMAN1: I wouldn't say that the EU and the USA are just utopies, but the EU was founded by the former member states gradually ceding its sovereignty to common institutions, through treaties. UK has not accepted some of these treaties, such as the common currency.
In the U.S. case the process is different, the Federal Government has powers that have never belonged to the states, such as currency and army. Perhaps I don't know very well your history, but U.S.A. and E.U. are two very different things.
I would love Ireland to leave the EU. It has caused all our financial woes. When the banking crises start spreading from the US the ECB told the Irish Government in a letter NOT to let any bank fail. Si like sheep the Irish government guaranteed all these private debts to German and French banks. And then the German and the French loaned our government the money to pay back THEIR banks and we also had to pay back the same amount with interest to the IMF/ECB(Germany and France).
If Ireland had let Anglo Irish bank fail banks in Europe would have fell like domino's but we stopped that by lumping all that debt on the Irish Tax payer. And what thanks did we get from Germany or France or any other EU country. None....Just a little extra time to pay back a debt that was never ours to their stupid banks that loaned to an insolvent company.
galrads: Yep, two diff entities. However, States here did print their own currencies and state militias, guards, reserves exist here today. Some states are now threaghtening to again print their own money here because they don't want to go down with the ship in wash d.c. as the fed government continues to go further in debt.
Something alike is happening in the EU: printing money is a temptation for the waster states, like mine, and a nightmare for the riches like Germany and France.
GUZMAN1: Something alike is happening in the EU: printing money is a temptation for the waster states, like mine, and a nightmare for the riches like Germany and France.
I'd like to see the old European currencies come back, especially in Italy. I don't understand all of the interactions of the ITF either. Like was is the USA contributing dollars to hold up the Euro, when the Euro was created to better stabilize things and to compete with the dollar better. I'd travel more in Europe if things there weren't so expensive and the exchange rate wasn't like it is. Auto fuel here is now averaging around $4 USD for just regular unleaded and the sheeples are just taking it. Our crude oil is sold abroad at below wholesale but comes back her at full retail. Go figure. We're all pawns.
I'd like to see the old European currencies come back, especially in Italy. I don't understand all of the interactions of the ITF either. Like was why is the USA contributing dollars to hold up the Euro, when the Euro was created to better stabilize things and to compete with the dollar better.
I'd travel more in Europe if things there weren't so expensive and the exchange rate wasn't like it is. Auto fuel here is now averaging around $4 USD for just regular unleaded and the sheeples are just taking it. Our crude oil is sold abroad at below wholesale but comes back her at full retail. Go figure. We're all pawns.
galrads: I'd like to see the old European currencies come back, especially in Italy. I don't understand all of the interactions of the ITF either. Like was is the USA contributing dollars to hold up the Euro, when the Euro was created to better stabilize things and to compete with the dollar better. I'd travel more in Europe if things there weren't so expensive and the exchange rate wasn't like it is. Auto fuel here is now averaging around $4 USD for just regular unleaded and the sheeples are just taking it. Our crude oil is sold abroad at below wholesale but comes back her at full retail. Go figure. We're all pawns.
Depends were you travel in Europe. Eastern Europe is still very cheap to travel around. Places like Paris, London, Barcelona, Madrid, Berlin are expensive just like New York, Miami and LA are expensive.
I lived in San Fran in the late 90's early 2000's and it was far more expensive to live there than Europe at the time. Still loved my time there though.
sofarsogood74: Depends were you travel in Europe. Eastern Europe is still very cheap to travel around. Places like Paris, London, Barcelona, Madrid, Berlin are expensive just like New York, Miami and LA are expensive.
I lived in San Fran in the late 90's early 2000's and it was far more expensive to live there than Europe at the time. Still loved my time there though.
Anywhere in California is expensive, especially close to any coast.
Yeah, I know about Berlin but have never been to the other places you listed in Europe. I usually spend time in Rome, Giulianova, Naples Italy and Isnello Sicily, where my family is from. The only expense I recall as reasonable is rail transportation there.
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Asked if the UK should remain a member of the European Union, a tiny majority of voters said No. And the biggest concern to voters was the power to control immigration.
The poll, by Survation, will send shockwaves through the high command of the three major parties, whose leaders are all broadly in favour of Britain remaining in the EU.
But it will provide a huge boost for Nigel Farage's UKIP and Tory Euro-sceptics, suggesting there is everything to play for in the referendum promised by David Cameron in 2017.
Asked: "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the EU?" - 44% said Yes, 45% No and 11% Don't Know. When the answers were adjusted to exclude Don't Knows, the result was 49% Yes and 51% No.
The poll also suggests that even though a referendum could be four years away, the vast majority have made up their mind and will not be swayed by the political debate between now and 2017.
Asked: "How certain are you that you would actually vote this way in a real referendum?" - 51% said they would definitely vote this way and nothing could change their mind and 45% said they would probably vote this way.
The results of our poll will also boost UKIP in the answers voters gave when asked what powers they want to see clawed back from Brussels in negotiations promised by the Prime Minister.
Voters were asked: "If there was to be a renegotiation of the UK's relationship with the EU, which of the following areas (if any) currently under EU control would you most like to see returned to the UK?"
Way out in front, on 65% was the power to control immigration between EU countries, an issue championed by UKIP and identified by Mr Farage as his party's top priority.
Next came policing and criminal justice powers, such as the European Arrest Warrant, on 45%, and third employment law, on 40%, ahead of the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy, on 36%.
The poll also revealed that most voters know little about the main figures in the EU, such as Brussels supremos Manuel Barroso, Herman Van Rompuy and Cathy Ashton.
Only 23% recognised Mr Barroso when shown a photo, 19% recognised Mr Van Rompuy and 23% Ms Ashton. Yet 74% recognised German Chancellor Angel Merkel, 52% French President Francois Hollande and 98% Mr Cameron.
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