janie1305Southampton, Hampshire, England UK916 posts
jac379: To be fair, I think your comments have been somewhat hyperbolic, Reb.
Not hyperbolic but a little off topic jac. However, the thread has morphed into something totally unrelated to the original OP and Reb is not the only only one who has delved into other realms.
tinyfangs: Plus I am concerned that some of the polyamour we are witnessing might not have anything to do at all with consent, if one could indeed prove that there are influences at work which are manipulating us into craving and lusting new kicks and thrills all the time. Consent means free choice, but under manipulation one could contest that free choice is not a given.
I can not prove this though, and as such this rermains speculative
janie1305Southampton, Hampshire, England UK916 posts
Pom_Pom: Care to explain further?
Pom, you know that polyamory is a consensual arrangement. This thread has reached a completely different dimension now, and quite frankly the offshoot topics being discussed would be better placed in another thread because the original topic has almost paled into insignificance.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
tinyfangs: Plus I am concerned that some of the polyamour we are witnessing might not have anything to do at all with consent, if one could indeed prove that there are influences at work which are manipulating us into craving and lusting new kicks and thrills all the time. Consent means free choice, but under manipulation one could contest that free choice is not a given.
I can not prove this though, and as such this rermains speculative
Or indeed that people aren't fully aware of what they're consenting to. It does seem rather complex to me.
Think of how we are raised to consume nowadays, Pom_Pom. We are subjected to a lot of manipulation via medias. We are not raised to love ourselves anymore, but raised to feel inadequate to the extreme. From our TV screens, from magazin covers and pages and from billboards - we are smiled at by very symmetric faces, often even photoshopped. The bodies these faces belong to are also always 'perfect' or at least we are being told they are perfect. We are told what is 'in' and what is not, and we chase after trends and the next thing to possess to make us someone within this society.
Never considered how this must affect our relationships as well? Nothing lasts anymore. We use and throw away. The dress we bought last summer might already be out of fashion this summer, and if not, then the summer afterwards for sure. We are under constant pressure to use and replace. This gets habit, and I wonder whether this is also becoming a habit in our relationships, and from what I have observed, even within my own self, it does seem to take its toll on us.
Polyamour could be argued as a way of finding new thrills. It does not appear to me as soemthing that is meant to last for a life time. I could be wrong, but are we talking lasting romantic relatonships here? Lasting as in anyone who proclaims to be polyamorous wanting to celebrate diamond anniversaries with all those extra loves in the future? Or are these rather short term armours, thrills, to be tasted, enjoyed while they are fun, and then to be replaced with the next armours who promise to provide a high?
Please know I am only trying to understand, trying to see what is happening. I do not wish to attach judgments to it at all, but I am worried, for I feel we are driven towards some cliff, and maybe eventually over it...
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
tinyfangs: Think of how we are raised to consume nowadays, Pom_Pom. We are subjected to a lot of manipulation via medias. We are not raised to love ourselves anymore, but raised to feel inadequate to the extreme. From our TV screens, from magazin covers and pages and from billboards - we are smiled at by very symmetric faces, often even photoshopped. The bodies these faces belong to are also always 'perfect' or at least we are being told they are perfect. We are told what is 'in' and what is not, and we chase after trends and the next thing to possess to make us someone within this society.
Never considered how this must affect our relationships as well? Nothing lasts anymore. We use and throw away. The dress we bought last summer might already be out of fashion this summer, and if not, then the summer afterwards for sure. We are under constant pressure to use and replace. This gets habit, and I wonder whether this is also becoming a habit in our relationships, and from what I have observed, even within my own self, it does seem to take its toll on us.
Polyamour could be argued as a way of finding new thrills. It does not appear to me as soemthing that is meant to last for a life time. I could be wrong, but are we talking lasting romantic relatonships here? Lasting as in anyone who proclaims to be polyamorous wanting to celebrate diamond anniversaries with all those extra loves in the future? Or are these rather short term armours, thrills, to be tasted, enjoyed while they are fun, and then to be replaced with the next armours who promise to provide a high?
Please know I am only trying to understand, trying to see what is happening. I do not wish to attach judgments to it at all, but I am worried, for I feel we are driven towards some cliff, and maybe eventually over it...
I get you and I share your concern about people being hurt, or abused by polyamory, but you're working on the assumption here that all people have the goal of long term relationships and that you can be driven over the cliff without your consent.
You can't force anyone to have a long-term goal in relationships without their consent.
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Not hyperbolic but a little off topic jac. However, the thread has morphed into something totally unrelated to the original OP and Reb is not the only only one who has delved into other realms.