2nd amendment under attack ( Archived) (131)

Sep 27, 2013 10:15 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
john12196341: with all due respect u have a socialist government that takes care of the people from the cradle to the grave. we americans like to take care of ourselves and not let the government tell how the people to live. we dont want and like the government to pry in our lives


Don't know John but it sure feels good knowing that I can walk the streets at night without fear of some maniac pulling a gun on me. wine
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Sep 27, 2013 10:18 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
john12196341: with all due respect u have a socialist government that takes care of the people from the cradle to the grave. we americans like to take care of ourselves and not let the government tell how the people to live. we dont want and like the government to pry in our lives
bad guys,will still,get guns,handguns are banned,in chicago,etc.still,a live fire zone!
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Sep 27, 2013 10:21 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
2intrigued: Don't know John but it sure feels good knowing that I can walk the streets at night without fear of some maniac pulling a gun on me.
yep. u sure have a pansy country with the people alwasys asking the government for a handout and it gives it. also if u do get attacked u just let them take ur money and hurt u without protecting urself.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:28 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
john12196341: yep. u sure have a pansy country with the people alwasys asking the government for a handout and it gives it. also if u do get attacked u just let them take ur money and hurt u without protecting urself.


I wouldn't say pansies...more like peacekeepers enjoying a life without the stress of having to constantly look over our shoulders. Our government may not be the best but they do look after their own. I've never felt a need to protect myself.wine
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Sep 27, 2013 10:31 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
john12196341: yep. u sure have a pansy country with the people alwasys asking the government for a handout and it gives it. also if u do get attacked u just let them take ur money and hurt u without protecting urself.
we,americans go down swingin/blaze of glory lol.thats,why govt.goes so far,it looks bad/civil war,like syria,etc.killin ur citizens.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:32 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
2intrigued: I wouldn't say pansies...more like peacekeepers enjoying a life without the stress of having to constantly look over our shoulders. Our government may not be the best but they do look after their own. I've never felt a need to protect myself.
that is why canada will never be a superpower like the usa. also u must like paying high taxes just to pay off the luxuries and handouts to people who want to slack off. ur government is the laughing stock and that is why people down here make fun of the canucks
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Sep 27, 2013 10:33 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
kennn
kennnkennnMedicine Hat, Alberta Canada25 Threads 5,299 Posts
John, we do have the right to protect ourselves but common sense tells us that it is ridiculous to get killed over something as trivial as a few dollars in our pocket. It is much too easy to pull out a hand gun and shoot someone over and then claim self defense.Too many people totally misunderstand the proper interpretation for the right to bear arms. JMO handshake
john12196341: yep. u sure have a pansy country with the people alwasys asking the government for a handout and it gives it. also if u do get attacked u just let them take ur money and hurt u without protecting urself.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:37 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
steffffie
steffffiesteffffieChicago, Illinois USA8 Threads 598 Posts
john12196341: that is why canada will never be a superpower like the usa. also u must like paying high taxes just to pay off the luxuries and handouts to people who want to slack off. ur government is the laughing stock and that is why people down here make fun of the canucks

Violence in the USA is not so much about availability of guns (btw I understand the need to obtain a gun if you live in a bad neighborhood) as it is about a pervasive culture of war and violence, a cult of force.

Other things e.g. drug laws etc make the problem worse.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:37 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
reb56: we,americans go down swingin/blaze of glory lol.thats,why govt.goes so far,it looks bad/civil war,like syria,etc.killin ur citizens.




You know reb it really amazes me that our government is always able to find the funds to police other countries but can never find the funding to take care of our own people.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:37 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
kennn: John, we do have the right to protect ourselves but common sense tells us that it is ridiculous to get killed over something as trivial as a few dollars in our pocket. It is much too easy to pull out a hand gun and shoot someone over and then claim self defense.Too many people totally misunderstand the proper interpretation for the right to bear arms. JMO
finally a sensible quote. i commend u on that sir. i would protect myself with the firearm than wait for the police when they do show up like 20 min after the crime. the time they get to the scene the robbers are gone and the person is killed.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:38 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Ccincy: You know reb it really amazes me that our government is always able to find the funds to police other countries but can never find the funding to take care of our own people.
fall,from within,like romans,etc.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:41 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
john12196341: that is why canada will never be a superpower like the usa. also u must like paying high taxes just to pay off the luxuries and handouts to people who want to slack off. ur government is the laughing stock and that is why people down here make fun of the canucks


That's alright John, Canada isn't all about becoming a superpower throwing billions of dollars into superpower endeavors and ignoring the health and lives of their own. There's something about living a life of peace that makes it all worthwhile here. Happy people equals less bitterness and an overall superior sense of wellbeing...it's all good. wine
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Sep 27, 2013 10:49 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
steffffie
steffffiesteffffieChicago, Illinois USA8 Threads 598 Posts
2intrigued: I wouldn't say pansies...more like peacekeepers enjoying a life without the stress of having to constantly look over our shoulders. Our government may not be the best but they do look after their own. I've never felt a need to protect myself.

On the other hand, it's true to some extent that Canada enjoys an implicit security guarantee, thanks to the USA.
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Sep 27, 2013 10:54 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
kennn
kennnkennnMedicine Hat, Alberta Canada25 Threads 5,299 Posts
steffffie: On the other hand, it's true to some extent that Canada enjoys an implicit security guarantee,thanks to the USA.

explain??
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Sep 27, 2013 10:55 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
john12196341: let me educate u on the second amendment since u are a not from this country. the second amemdment goes as follows. a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the free state or the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed against any agression for within or outside. this is what the second amendment is. u know what made america? i tell you. god,guns,guts, and the blood and sweat of people. this nation should not take any orders from anyone let alone the united nations. we are a soverign nation.


scold professor
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms from infringement. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the United States Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common-law and was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This right was described by Sir William Blackstone as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense, resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.
In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the federal government. In United States v. Miller (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”.
In the twenty-first century, the amendment has been subjected to renewed academic inquiry and judicial interest. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme court handed down a landmark decision that held expressly that the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms. In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions limiting the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government and expressly found that it limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.

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in my opinion I think the right to bear arms should allow Americans to only carry the firearms that were available from 1791 -
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Sep 27, 2013 10:58 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
2intrigued: That's alright John, Canada isn't all about becoming a superpower throwing billions of dollars into superpower endeavors and ignoring the health and lives of their own. There's something about living a life of peace that makes it all worthwhile here. Happy people equals less bitterness and an overall superior sense of wellbeing...it's all good.


All good until you remind yourself that it's paid for by dead children.
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Sep 27, 2013 11:02 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
JeanKimberley: The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms from infringement. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the United States Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment was based partially on the right to keep and bear arms in English common-law and was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This right was described by Sir William Blackstone as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense, resistance to oppression, and the civic duty to act in concert in defense of the state.
In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the federal government. In United States v. Miller (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”.
In the twenty-first century, the amendment has been subjected to renewed academic inquiry and judicial interest. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme court handed down a landmark decision that held expressly that the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms. In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions limiting the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government and expressly found that it limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.

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in my opinion I think the right to bear arms should allow Americans to only carry the firearms that were available from 1791 -
so u are saying that americans should have ony a firearm with one round. that is stupid and it comes from with all due respect from a typical anti-second amendment left wing bleeding heart liberal
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Sep 27, 2013 11:05 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
john12196341: i see that idoit of secretary of state signed that UN arms bill. that is so stupid. also it is stupid that congress are not allowed to ratify it. this is overstepping of power and the first step toward confiscation of all firearms by this dictatorail regime. congress is the only one to ratify it. law abiding citizens are being threatened by this government. th is is another reason why this president should be impeached and broungt up on charges of treason. i told the people what will happen if this poor excuse of a human being get reelected. also i will predict the people will not stand for it any longer. we have the right to bare arms. it goes to show how far this a hole will go to stay in power.


So on one hand you are saying your president is going against the majority of people who want the full power of the second amendment, but then on the other hand you say the president is doing this to stay in power, maybe I am stupid (I'm not) but you cannot have it both ways, so your logic is completely faulty therefore your argument is worthless.
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Sep 27, 2013 11:05 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
john12196341: i see that idoit of secretary of state signed that UN arms bill. that is so stupid. also it is stupid that congress are not allowed to ratify it. this is overstepping of power and the first step toward confiscation of all firearms by this dictatorail regime. congress is the only one to ratify it. law abiding citizens are being threatened by this government. th is is another reason why this president should be impeached and broungt up on charges of treason. i told the people what will happen if this poor excuse of a human being get reelected. also i will predict the people will not stand for it any longer. we have the right to bare arms. it goes to show how far this a hole will go to stay in power.


So on one hand you are saying your president is going against the majority of people who want the full power of the second amendment, but then on the other hand you say the president is doing this to stay in power, maybe I am stupid (I'm not) but you cannot have it both ways, so your logic is completely faulty therefore your argument is worthless.
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Sep 27, 2013 11:05 AM CST 2nd amendment under attack
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
john12196341: i see that idoit of secretary of state signed that UN arms bill. that is so stupid. also it is stupid that congress are not allowed to ratify it. this is overstepping of power and the first step toward confiscation of all firearms by this dictatorail regime. congress is the only one to ratify it. law abiding citizens are being threatened by this government. th is is another reason why this president should be impeached and broungt up on charges of treason. i told the people what will happen if this poor excuse of a human being get reelected. also i will predict the people will not stand for it any longer. we have the right to bare arms. it goes to show how far this a hole will go to stay in power.


So on one hand you are saying your president is going against the majority of people who want the full power of the second amendment, but then on the other hand you say the president is doing this to stay in power, maybe I am stupid (I'm not) but you cannot have it both ways, so your logic is completely faulty therefore your argument is worthless.
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