Should he be allowed to carry a gun? (92)
The only obligation that George Zimmerman had was to use his radio. In a neighborhood watch, you report, you do not confront individuals because you believe they are out of place in your community and you feel you can do so because you carry a firearm. The mistake that Trayvon Martin made is that he was black.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
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Delatude: The only obligation that George Zimmerman had was to use his radio. In a neighborhood watch, you report, you do not confront individuals because you believe they are out of place in your community and you feel you can do so because you carry a firearm. The mistake that Trayvon Martin made is that he was black.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
Spot on as usual Delatude.
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MadBushpig: ... I'm defending the judgement of the court, George Zimmerman was found 'not guilty'. Trayvon was the only one to threaten and use physical force, he assaulted Zimmerman. Surely if you're being 'stalked' you'd go home or to a place of safety and not 'confront' your stalker (especially as you say Zimmerman was 'heavely built'). As for the assault on the concrete, the court certainly found enough evidence to suggest that Trayvon 'bashed' Zimmermans head on the concrete ... Stop trying to make out that Trayvon was a little innocent victim, he assaulted someone and was shot (simple as that) ... I think it's justifiable to defend yourself against anyone who attacks you whether that individual is a teenager or not (and anyone who instigates a physical assault is a thug) ... ... Once again you're quite entitled to your views just as I am to mine ... Opinions are like arseholes, eveybody has one ...
You presume that Trayvon was the stalker! Why did GZ get out of his van than he was pursuing the boy in, and approach the unarmed boy?
Also explain to me why a boy would be shouting for help if he was the attacker!
Sorry like many other Court verdicts, it was a miscarriage of justice,and no ,you are not defending a Court judgement, you are saying that GZ was within his rights to shoot and kill an unarmed 17 year old.
Big difference.
Of course it is just my opinion.
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Delatude: The only obligation that George Zimmerman had was to use his radio. In a neighborhood watch, you report, you do not confront individuals because you believe they are out of place in your community and you feel you can do so because you carry a firearm. The mistake that Trayvon Martin made is that he was black.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
... Guns are tools that are used to defend yourself. If you are attacked (which is what Zimmerman was) you are quite entitled to defend yourself (which is what Zimmerman did) and in doing so you may use force (which is what Zimmerman did). Guns are used to make holes in target tissue, the gun did exactly what it was supposed to do ... the mistake Trayvon made was attempting to assault somebody as simple as that. How dare you try and make this a racial issue? Boo Hoo, the black teenager, the eternal victim, is that what you think? Do you have such little faith in the judicial process that you believe that a well documented trial like this came to the conclusions it did because of race? ... You are quite entitled to follow a suspicious person in your neighbourhood, and confront that individual if you believe he or she is up to no good or are you one of the spineless wonders who believe that your safety and the safety and security of your family and community is someone elses problem? ... I must add that your opinion and views are just that, your opinion and views and I respect that however on this issue we clearly disagree ...
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Glitch101: You presume that Trayvon was the stalker! Why did GZ get out of his van than he was pursuing the boy in, and approach the unarmed boy?
Also explain to me why a boy would be shouting for help if he was the attacker!
Sorry like many other Court verdicts, it was a miscarriage of justice,and no ,you are not defending a Court judgement, you are saying that GZ was within his rights to shoot and kill an unarmed 17 year old.
Big difference.Of course it is just my opinion.
Also explain to me why a boy would be shouting for help if he was the attacker!
Sorry like many other Court verdicts, it was a miscarriage of justice,and no ,you are not defending a Court judgement, you are saying that GZ was within his rights to shoot and kill an unarmed 17 year old.
Big difference.Of course it is just my opinion.
... Unarmed little angel, hell Trayvon should have used his wings to fly away but no he assaulted Zimmerman and was shot ... I'm not sure if it was Trayvon shouting for help, I distinctly remember watching the trial and it was supposedly Zimmerman who called for assistence and not Trayvon at that stage Trayvon (the little angel) was stradling Zimmerman on the ground beating his head against concrete ... I'm certainly saying that GZ was within his rights by shooting Trayvon (seems the court and the jurors agree with me) ...
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MadBushpig: ... Guns are tools that are used to defend yourself. If you are attacked (which is what Zimmerman was) you are quite entitled to defend yourself (which is what Zimmerman did) and in doing so you may use force (which is what Zimmerman did). Guns are used to make holes in target tissue, the gun did exactly what it was supposed to do ... the mistake Trayvon made was attempting to assault somebody as simple as that. How dare you try and make this a racial issue? Boo Hoo, the black teenager, the eternal victim, is that what you think? Do you have such little faith in the judicial process that you believe that a well documented trial like this came to the conclusions it did because of race? ... You are quite entitled to follow a suspicious person in your neighbourhood, and confront that individual if you believe he or she is up to no good or are you one of the spineless wonders who believe that your safety and the safety and security of your family and community is someone elses problem? ... I must add that your opinion and views are just that, your opinion and views and I respect that however on this issue we clearly disagree ...
No I don't have faith in the judicial system . O.J. Simpson springs to mind.
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MadBushpig: ... Unarmed little angel, hell Trayvon should have used his wings to fly away but no he assaulted Zimmerman and was shot ... I'm not sure if it was Trayvon shouting for help, I distinctly remember watching the trial and it was supposedly Zimmerman who called for assistence and not Trayvon at that stage Trayvon (the little angel) was stradling Zimmerman on the ground beating his head against concrete ... I'm certainly saying that GZ was within his rights by shooting Trayvon (seems the court and the jurors agree with me) ...
Your defence of this man is actually incredible,and your derogatory remarks towards a dead teenager do you no credit.
You are making a judgement on one incident regarding this boy whereas there are many facts relating to GZ's instability.
Watch this space.He's a loose cannon.
By the why I think you think like a woman.
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MadBushpig: ... Guns are tools that are used to defend yourself. If you are attacked (which is what Zimmerman was) you are quite entitled to defend yourself (which is what Zimmerman did) and in doing so you may use force (which is what Zimmerman did). Guns are used to make holes in target tissue, the gun did exactly what it was supposed to do ... the mistake Trayvon made was attempting to assault somebody as simple as that. How dare you try and make this a racial issue? Boo Hoo, the black teenager, the eternal victim, is that what you think? Do you have such little faith in the judicial process that you believe that a well documented trial like this came to the conclusions it did because of race? ... You are quite entitled to follow a suspicious person in your neighbourhood, and confront that individual if you believe he or she is up to no good or are you one of the spineless wonders who believe that your safety and the safety and security of your family and community is someone elses problem? ... I must add that your opinion and views are just that, your opinion and views and I respect that however on this issue we clearly disagree ...
Never been depending on someone else for safety so far, but I wouldn't deprive someone of his life because of my self importance in a position of playing cop as a neighborhood watch Captain.
As to your condescending statement, you do not know me personally, so please refrain from it and keep to the subject in a polite way. Obviously you cannot handle disagreements in your thread and you feel superior to everyone. Read the replies from everyone closely before repeating the same thing over and over.
What suspicious person, a black teenager walking the streets!
I may remind you that Zimmerman didn't catch him or had a reason to believe that Travyon committed a crime. Up to no good is not a legal definition for a misdemeanor or a felony. Never is "attempting to assault".
Zimmerman was the provocateur, not the victim. If he got of from being convicted doesn't mean that he was innocent. He was acquitted and everyone has the right to think that the jury was in error. In another state, he would have been convicted for failing to retreat. But that's is another story.
As someone pointed earlier in the trial of OJ Simpson.
As you enjoy this particular emoticon,
, here's another one for you. Now, I see no sense in posting in this threat any longer. And, no, I am not intimidated by your rants.
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Delatude: The only obligation that George Zimmerman had was to use his radio. In a neighborhood watch, you report, you do not confront individuals because you believe they are out of place in your community and you feel you can do so because you carry a firearm. The mistake that Trayvon Martin made is that he was black.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
How many citizens in white neighborhoods looking out their windows will call the Police to report a black person walking in their street? I know as a fact that it happens in some small communities, like outside Detroit.
Zimmerman had no obligation to carry and conceal a firearm in his functions in the neighborhood watch. Most PD will advise you to call and let them handle it.
As a CCW holder, it carries responsibilities and shooting someone is not an obligation unless it is the option of last resort.
Zimmermen is responsible for his downfall, no one else. By getting in the situation and escalating the problem, a person is dead. I wouldn't call that responsible gun ownership.
And to make things clear, I am not against anyone owning a firearm or having a CCW, only that they have the training and understand all the implications that comes with it.
No, I wasn't there, so anyone else here unless proven to the contrary.
Everyone can have an opinion on this subject, this is mine.
Totally agree with you here.
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Glitch101: Your defence of this man is actually incredible,and your derogatory remarks towards a dead teenager do you no credit.
You are making a judgement on one incident regarding this boy whereas there are many facts relating to GZ's instability.
Watch this space.He's a loose cannon.
By the why I think you think like a woman.
You are making a judgement on one incident regarding this boy whereas there are many facts relating to GZ's instability.
Watch this space.He's a loose cannon.
By the why I think you think like a woman.
... I'm defending the right for someone to defend him or herself (I certainly do not believe in retreating or roling over and playing dead, I believe that if somebody attacks you, you do what you have to to survive, if that means putting a hole in your attackers chest then so be it). 'The dead teenager' (as you put it) is as tragic as any death teenager or not, the fact of the matter remains that Gerge Zimmerman was found 'not guitly' (case closed) as to his instability, I'm no psychologist (he's most probably as sane and as stable as any of us). As for me thinking like a woman, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not because to my knowledge nobody has a clue how women think (even women) ...
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Glitch101: Your defence of this man is actually incredible,and your derogatory remarks towards a dead teenager do you no credit.
You are making a judgement on one incident regarding this boy whereas there are many facts relating to GZ's instability.
Watch this space.He's a loose cannon.
By the why I think you think like a woman.
You are making a judgement on one incident regarding this boy whereas there are many facts relating to GZ's instability.
Watch this space.He's a loose cannon.
By the why I think you think like a woman.
... I'm defending the right for someone to defend him or herself (I certainly do not believe in retreating or roling over and playing dead, I believe that if somebody attacks you, you do what you have to to survive, if that means putting a hole in your attackers chest then so be it). 'The dead teenager' (as you put it) is as tragic as any death teenager or not, the fact of the matter remains that Gerge Zimmerman was found 'not guitly' (case closed) as to his instability, I'm no psychologist (he's most probably as sane and as stable as any of us). As for me thinking like a woman, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not because to my knowledge nobody has a clue how women think (even women) ...
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Delatude: Never been depending on someone else for safety so far, but I wouldn't deprive someone of his life because of my self importance in a position of playing cop as a neighborhood watch Captain.
As to your condescending statement, you do not know me personally, so please refrain from it and keep to the subject in a polite way. Obviously you cannot handle disagreements in your thread and you feel superior to everyone. Read the replies from everyone closely before repeating the same thing over and over.
What suspicious person, a black teenager walking the streets!
I may remind you that Zimmerman didn't catch him or had a reason to believe that Travyon committed a crime. Up to no good is not a legal definition for a misdemeanor or a felony. Never is "attempting to assault".
Zimmerman was the provocateur, not the victim. If he got of from being convicted doesn't mean that he was innocent. He was acquitted and everyone has the right to think that the jury was in error. In another state, he would have been convicted for failing to retreat. But that's is another story.
As someone pointed earlier in the trial of OJ Simpson.
As you enjoy this particular emoticon, , here's another one for you.
Now, I see no sense in posting in this threat any longer. And, no, I am not intimidated by your rants.
As to your condescending statement, you do not know me personally, so please refrain from it and keep to the subject in a polite way. Obviously you cannot handle disagreements in your thread and you feel superior to everyone. Read the replies from everyone closely before repeating the same thing over and over.
What suspicious person, a black teenager walking the streets!
I may remind you that Zimmerman didn't catch him or had a reason to believe that Travyon committed a crime. Up to no good is not a legal definition for a misdemeanor or a felony. Never is "attempting to assault".
Zimmerman was the provocateur, not the victim. If he got of from being convicted doesn't mean that he was innocent. He was acquitted and everyone has the right to think that the jury was in error. In another state, he would have been convicted for failing to retreat. But that's is another story.
As someone pointed earlier in the trial of OJ Simpson.
As you enjoy this particular emoticon, , here's another one for you.
Now, I see no sense in posting in this threat any longer. And, no, I am not intimidated by your rants.
As the OP of this thread I am going to ban Madbushpig as I feel that there is no need to insult other members, just for having an opinion.
My apologies Delatude, as you are always a fair and honest person in debating.
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MadBushpig: ... I'm defending the right for someone to defend him or herself (I certainly do not believe in retreating or roling over and playing dead, I believe that if somebody attacks you, you do what you have to to survive, if that means putting a hole in your attackers chest then so be it). 'The dead teenager' (as you put it) is as tragic as any death teenager or not, the fact of the matter remains that Gerge Zimmerman was found 'not guitly' (case closed) as to his instability, I'm no psychologist (he's most probably as sane and as stable as any of us). As for me thinking like a woman, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not because to my knowledge nobody has a clue how women think (even women) ...
I think I have made it perfectly clear how I think. Rationally I hope.
Your constant use of the terminology "little angel" is atypical of a woman. I don't think that a man would use that phrase in describing a teenager, whether meant in a derogatory fashion or not.
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Glitch101: As the OP of this thread I am going to ban Madbushpig as I feel that there is no need to insult other members, just for having an opinion.
My apologies Delatude, as you are always a fair and honest person in debating.
My apologies Delatude, as you are always a fair and honest person in debating.
Sorry Glitch,
It is I who should apologize, I mistakenly thought he was the OP.
I am not always polite, it depends on the poster. In this case, I don't feel insulted, I only thought there is no need for disparaging comments toward other posters because of their opinions.
I see no need to ban him, but it is your thread. Thank you.
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Delatude: Sorry Glitch,
It is I who should apologize, I mistakenly thought he was the OP.
I am not always polite, it depends on the poster. In this case, I don't feel insulted, I only thought there is no need for disparaging comments toward other posters because of their opinions.
I see no need to ban him, but it is your thread. Thank you.
It is I who should apologize, I mistakenly thought he was the OP.
I am not always polite, it depends on the poster. In this case, I don't feel insulted, I only thought there is no need for disparaging comments toward other posters because of their opinions.
I see no need to ban him, but it is your thread. Thank you.
You are welcome Delatude.
The thread had died in November but this person thought to resurrect it yet again in defence of G.Z.
An opinion is one thing, and Lord knows we all have them,but to continually contradict others for how they feel about a certain subject is in my humble opinion,totally unnecessary .
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Like the recent video I posted by Chris Rock.... his last point of advice involved a woman having a row with her man and dishing him up to the cops.
Classic. Nearly happened me once, too.
Classic. Nearly happened me once, too.
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MADDOG69: Like the recent video I posted by Chris Rock.... his last point of advice involved a woman having a row with her man and dishing him up to the cops.
Classic. Nearly happened me once, too.
Classic. Nearly happened me once, too.
Can't imagine you being naughty MD
By the way did she point a gun at you.
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The woman who told Florida authorities in November that George Zimmerman threatened her with a gun during a heated argument recanted the allegations in documents released Monday, saying that she does not want him charged, according to a signed affidavit.
Samantha Scheibe, who refers to Zimmerman as her "boyfriend," said in a sworn statement obtained by NBC News that she felt intimidated when she was questioned by police about the Nov. 18 incident. The affidavit was attached to a motion by Zimmerman's attorney seeking to modify the conditions of her client's bond in his domestic violence case.
"I believe that the police misinterpreted me and that I may have misspoken about certain facts in my statement to the police. I do not feel that the arrest report accurately recounts what happened," she said.
Scheibe had told a 911 operator and deputies last month that she and Zimmerman were having a "verbal dispute" and she alleged that he pointed a long-barreled shotgun at her.
Zimmerman was arrested and later charged with felony aggravated assault, misdemeanor battery and misdemeanor criminal mischief, according to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office. He was directed to stay away from Scheibe's residence, among other orders.
But in the affidavit released Monday, Scheibe said: "George never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner."
In the 911 tapes released from the Nov. 18 incident, Zimmerman denied brandishing a weapon at his girlfriend.
In the affidavit, Scheibe goes on to say that she contacted Zimmerman's lawyer, Jayne Weintraub, "to ask if there is any way that the stay away order can be lifted so that we can talk and be together."
"I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him," Scheibe stated.
When reached for comment by NBC News, Florida State Attorney 18th Judicial Court spokeswoman Lynne Hooper said that the office received a copy of the affidavit and the "State Attorney will take it into consideration as the case enters its final review for a filing decision."
Seminole County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Kim Cannaday declined to comment.
Samantha Scheibe, who refers to Zimmerman as her "boyfriend," said in a sworn statement obtained by NBC News that she felt intimidated when she was questioned by police about the Nov. 18 incident. The affidavit was attached to a motion by Zimmerman's attorney seeking to modify the conditions of her client's bond in his domestic violence case.
"I believe that the police misinterpreted me and that I may have misspoken about certain facts in my statement to the police. I do not feel that the arrest report accurately recounts what happened," she said.
Scheibe had told a 911 operator and deputies last month that she and Zimmerman were having a "verbal dispute" and she alleged that he pointed a long-barreled shotgun at her.
Zimmerman was arrested and later charged with felony aggravated assault, misdemeanor battery and misdemeanor criminal mischief, according to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office. He was directed to stay away from Scheibe's residence, among other orders.
But in the affidavit released Monday, Scheibe said: "George never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner."
In the 911 tapes released from the Nov. 18 incident, Zimmerman denied brandishing a weapon at his girlfriend.
In the affidavit, Scheibe goes on to say that she contacted Zimmerman's lawyer, Jayne Weintraub, "to ask if there is any way that the stay away order can be lifted so that we can talk and be together."
"I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him," Scheibe stated.
When reached for comment by NBC News, Florida State Attorney 18th Judicial Court spokeswoman Lynne Hooper said that the office received a copy of the affidavit and the "State Attorney will take it into consideration as the case enters its final review for a filing decision."
Seminole County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Kim Cannaday declined to comment.
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Ah it's easy to understand Conrad. Women like dangerous men. It excites them. As long as he is affectionate with her in good enough doses, they'll hang around.
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What goes round comes around, tout mal ca se paie! as we say in French. OJ Simpson was acquitted of murder with good 'lawyering' too but where is he now?
Trayvon Martin is dead and gone but who is suffering now??
Zimmerman is unemployed, homeless, broke - only 140 dollars to his name, 2.4 million dollars in legal fees, wife divorced him, girlfriend files a complaint with the police against him etc.
his former home was searched and 5 guns were found
as someone here said he brought all this upon himself
he should have stayed in his car, called 911 and let the police deal with the issue instead of getting out of his car, getting into confrontation with Martin, shooting him and claiming self defence
... Trayvon Martin was the instigator and the only crime that was committed was Trayvon Martin (wannabe thug)assaulting Zimmerman. Zimmerman had every right to get out of his car. As for the confrontation the little thug Trayvon started it and Zimmermans actions were clearly self defence. Whether Zimmerman had 5 guns or 300 is irelavent to anything (he's quite entitled to own guns, unlike a large percentage of 'gangstas' he had licences for his weapons) ...