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Dec 1, 2013 2:49 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
I really think is something everyone needs to educate themselves in is Sharia Law...because West watch out, it's coming to country near you.. just sayin'
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Dec 1, 2013 2:51 PM CST East west
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: I really think is something everyone needs to educate themselves in is Sharia Law...because West watch out, it's coming to country near you.. just sayin'

Which country is that, SG?
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Dec 1, 2013 2:55 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
jac379: Which country is that, SG?





Well not sure, but if my government that wants separation between church and state, it sure seems funny that Sharia Law was even allowed on our state ballot in '08....and mind you, were in the middle of the bible belt
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Dec 1, 2013 2:57 PM CST East west
Antoniacv
AntoniacvAntoniacvWien, Vienna Austria11 Threads 1,084 Posts
jac379: That's a very good point, Antonia.

There was an article in the Times on the 30th October regarding there being no place for religion within the British legal system, such that it was a democratic, secular institution, fair to all of Britain's population.

Oops, I can't get the Times report in full. Here's the Daily Mail's...




I liked this part :

‘Happily for us, the days are past when the business of judges was the enforcement of morals or religious beliefs.’ He said that modern-day judges had rightly abandoned any claim to be ‘guardians of public morality’, just as Christian clerics no longer claimed to speak as the ‘defining voices of morality and of the law of marriage and the family’.


Here in Chile we have president elections on December fifteenth... and one of the two candidates... two women...said that one of her compromises torwards our country it's... to keep every reference from the bible in our constitution.


I can't believe in 2013 we are discusing about KEEPING someone's imaginary friends references in the LAW...when there are sooooooooo many things to care about... education , health , retirement founds and so on.

Religion has only divided people since it exists... just to prove to eachother wich imaginary friend is the best.

What's worse , they do it in the name of 'love'

doh


Anyways....
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Dec 1, 2013 3:02 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
SoonerGal: Well not sure, but if my government that wants separation between church and state, it sure seems funny that Sharia Law was even allowed on our state ballot in '08....and mind you, were in the middle of the bible belt



'10


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Dec 1, 2013 3:10 PM CST East west
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: Well not sure, but if my government that wants separation between church and state, it sure seems funny that Sharia Law was even allowed on our state ballot in '08....and mind you, were in the middle of the bible belt

What does that mean 'allowed on your state ballot in '08'?

Could Sharia law have been voted in as a law which could be used separately, or instead of the law of the land? How would it work?

What were the results of the vote?

What difference does it make being in the middle of the bible belt with respect to Sharia law?
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Dec 1, 2013 3:13 PM CST East west
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: '10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_on_sharia_law

Okay, now I'm confused.

The wiki link you cited suggests the vote was about banning Sharia law from the courts, so do you already have Sharia law in Oklahoma? confused
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Dec 1, 2013 3:14 PM CST East west
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
if you want to live in the US, Canada or where ever. you live under our laws or don't live here.
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Dec 1, 2013 3:15 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
jac379: What does that mean 'allowed on your state ballot in '08'?

Could Sharia law have been voted in as a law which could be used separately, or instead of the law of the land? How would it work?

What were the results of the vote?

What difference does it make being in the middle of the bible belt with respect to Sharia law?




actually it was '10




my whole point being, is the government wants separation of church and state, then even if it's banning Sharia Law should have never been put on the ballot, scary thing is what if it would have passed?


70% of Oklahomans voted to ban Sharia Law...just read the link
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Dec 1, 2013 3:18 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
jac379: Okay, now I'm confused.

The wiki link you cited suggests the vote was about banning Sharia law from the courts, so do you already have Sharia law in Oklahoma?



no, we don't...but my point being, a religious ANYTHING should NEVER be on a ballot...
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Dec 1, 2013 3:21 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
Aug 16 (Reuters) - Oklahoma's attorney general said on Friday he was reviewing the decision of a U.S. judge that barred the state from adopting a measure that would ban its state courts from considering Sharia law under any circumstances.

"We have received the order and, as always, we are in the process of carefully reviewing the judge's decision," said Oklahoma Attorney General E. Scott Pruitt. He did not say if the state would appeal the decision.

U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange ruled on Thursday that the measure, contained in an amendment to the Oklahoma state constitution, violated the freedom of religion provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Sharia law is based on Muslim principles.

"It is abundantly clear that the primary purpose of the amendment was to specifically target and outlaw Sharia law," she wrote.

Oklahoma voters approved the measure, called "Save Our State Amendment," in 2010. The judge's ruling will prevent the state's election board from certifying the results of that 2010 vote, in which the measure passed with 70 percent support.

The lawsuit challenging the measure was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of Muneer Awad, a Muslim man living in Oklahoma City and the former director of the Oklahoma Chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, and also other Oklahoma Muslims.

Gadeir Abbas, staff attorney for the Council, said that dozens of similarly discriminatory and unconstitutional bills had been introduced in other state legislatures.

"It is our hope that, in finding this anti-Islam law unconstitutional, lawmakers in other states will think twice about proposing anti-Muslim laws of their own," said Abbas.

Defenders of the amendment have said they want to prevent foreign laws in general, and Islamic Sharia law in particular, from overriding state or U.S. laws. (Reporting by Mary Wisniewski; Editing by Scott Malone, Toni Reinhold
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Dec 1, 2013 3:32 PM CST East west
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: actually it was '10

whole point being, is the government wants separation of church and state, then even if it's banning Sharia Law should have never been put on the ballot, scary thing is what if it would have passed? 70% of Oklahomans voted to ban Sharia Law...just read the link

It was never going to pass, though, was it?

It looks to me like it was a cunning way of making sure Sharia law would never be a part of the law of the land.

Where does that leave your assertion that Sharia law is coming to a country near 'you'?

Bear in mind I posted a link earlier asserting that the UK justice system is now separate from religious influences.
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Dec 1, 2013 3:34 PM CST East west
jac379:
Bear in mind I posted a link earlier asserting that the UK justice system is now separate from religious influences.

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Dec 1, 2013 3:39 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
jac379: It was never going to pass, though, was it?

It looks to me like it was a cunning way of making sure Sharia law would never be a part of the law of the land.

Where does that leave your assertion that Sharia law is coming to a country near 'you'?

Bear in mind I posted a link earlier asserting that the UK justice system is now separate from religious influences.




Well if you read, 70% of voters, voted to have it banned, but a US Judge barred Oklahoma from adopting the measure...with that being said, in all honesty I don't know where we as a state stand now (something I plan on checking into) so obviously there seems to be a desire to have Sharia Law implemented, right? I could see this happening in New York or California, but Oklahoma, the most conservative state in the nation...has to be a reason for wanting to ban it...Ok I'm done wave
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Dec 1, 2013 3:40 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
stringman: if you want to live in the US, Canada or where ever. you live under our laws or don't live here.



thumbs up
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Dec 1, 2013 3:40 PM CST East west
jac379: It was never going to pass, though, was it?

It looks to me like it was a cunning way of making sure Sharia law would never be a part of the law of the land.

Where does that leave your assertion that Sharia law is coming to a country near 'you'?

Bear in mind I posted a link earlier asserting that the UK justice system is now separate from religious influences.


The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by precedent, by implication, by erosion, by default, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other - until the day when they are suddenly declared to be the country's official ideology. ~ Ayn Rand
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Dec 1, 2013 3:51 PM CST East west
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
SoonerGal: Well if you read, 70% of voters, voted to have it banned, but a US Judge barred Oklahoma from adopting the measure...with that being said, in all honesty I don't know where we as a state stand now (something I plan on checking into) so obviously there seems to be a desire to have Sharia Law implemented, right? I could see this happening in New York or California, but Oklahoma, the most conservative state in the nation...has to be a reason for wanting to ban it...Ok I'm done

I'm still confused.

The judge barred Sharia law from being banned?
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Dec 1, 2013 3:53 PM CST East west
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
jac379: I'm still confused.

The judge barred Sharia law from being banned?



did you even read the article? laugh hug I'm done doh


but the answer to that is: YES
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