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Dec 5, 2013 5:12 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
We have a doc here in my state... who is under lots of scrutiny at the moment... because he aided peeps to pop their clogs in a short period when it was allowed..

I have my thoughts on this one... but would be interested in your comments..

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Dec 5, 2013 5:24 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Owww does it really have to be voluntary?

Imo, anybody who has the least understanding, economically and environmentally, where the world is going would realise that we should be reusing our plastic bags to suffocate the elderly.
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Dec 5, 2013 5:29 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Merriweather: We have a doc here in my state... who is under lots of scrutiny at the moment... because he aided peeps to pop their clogs in a short period when it was allowed..

I have my thoughts on this one... but would be interested in your comments..



I think it's up to the person involved who is of sound mind to make that decision for themselves. Unfortunately, when you want to finish a life someone doesn't regard worth living, they might be unable to do so themselves.

I know that my mum has a document that if something happens and she would be depending on live support, to switch off the machine.

It's a decision each person have to make for themselves. sad flower
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Dec 5, 2013 5:55 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Owww does it really have to be voluntary?

Imo, anybody who has the least understanding, economically and environmentally, where the world is going would realise that we should be reusing our plastic bags to suffocate the elderly.



laugh

Oh... only you could have had that type of comeback...

morning Obstinance..
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Dec 5, 2013 5:58 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Merriweather: Oh... only you could have had that type of comeback...

morning Obstinance..


Good morning Merriweather hug
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Dec 5, 2013 6:00 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
KNenagh: I think it's up to the person involved who is of sound mind to make that decision for themselves. Unfortunately, when you want to finish a life someone doesn't regard worth living, they might be unable to do so themselves.

I know that my mum has a document that if something happens and she would be depending on live support, to switch off the machine.

It's a decision each person have to make for themselves.


Hi Kn
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Your mother has clearly thought this through... and is being very sensible about it...

and in doing so... has relieved you and the family of making a decision at the time... when no one clear thinks..

thanks for your story...
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Dec 5, 2013 6:04 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
It's a dying trend.

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Dec 5, 2013 6:10 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
bodleing2: It's a dying trend.


laugh

Good one Bodleing...

hi matey wave


have a lovely lovely day..cheers
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Dec 5, 2013 6:13 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Merriweather: We have a doc here in my state... who is under lots of scrutiny at the moment... because he aided peeps to pop their clogs in a short period when it was allowed..

I have my thoughts on this one... but would be interested in your comments..



Hiya everyone wave

Both my parents have signed "Living Wills"...same as KN and I will be doing the same thing. A bit different to euthanasia in that it's simply a Do No Resuscitate document.
For myself, if I were at the stage of an incurable illness, suffering dreadfully, I think I would most definitely engage the services of someone to help me finish it.
Having said all this, I'm not in that situation, so I can't say for sure.
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Dec 5, 2013 6:16 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
Merriweather: Good one Bodleing...

hi matey have a lovely lovely day..


Hi Merri, it's really nasty in the uk today. Serious gales with gusts up to 100mph. Just had to gather up the contents of my wheelie bin from down the street after it had been blown over by the gales. Snow forecast for tonight also...uh oh

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Dec 5, 2013 6:25 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
bodleing2: Hi Merri, it's really nasty in the uk today. Serious gales with gusts up to 100mph. Just had to gather up the contents of my wheelie bin from down the street after it had been blown over by the gales. Snow forecast for tonight also...



Oh... bugga... take care Bodleing.. sounds like pretty nasty weather... time to sit in bed with a good book and a lappy..

take care ... of the hound.. (and yourself) hug

wine <<< mulled warm wine.. wave
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Dec 5, 2013 6:27 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
bodleing2: Hi Merri, it's really nasty in the uk today. Serious gales with gusts up to 100mph. Just had to gather up the contents of my wheelie bin from down the street after it had been blown over by the gales. Snow forecast for tonight also...
If you timed it right,you could get locked in the pub grin cheers cheers
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Dec 5, 2013 6:32 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Merriweather: Oh... totally distraught.. of course.. I hate pulling the plug... especially if the water's gone cold.. makes the hairs on my arms stick up like Jackie... have a great fun day Rebel... cheers.
rolling on the floor laughing Good night Merri hug
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Dec 5, 2013 6:33 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
rebel2: If you timed it right,you could get locked in the pub


The problem is getting there...might end up in another county.
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Dec 5, 2013 6:34 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
unlaoised: The problem is getting there...might end up in another county.
laugh wave Hello gorgeous!
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Dec 5, 2013 6:37 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
unlaoised: Hiya everyone

Both my parents have signed "Living Wills"...same as KN and I will be doing the same thing. A bit different to euthanasia in that it's simply a Do No Resuscitate document.
For myself, if I were at the stage of an incurable illness, suffering dreadfully, I think I would most definitely engage the services of someone to help me finish it.
Having said all this, I'm not in that situation, so I can't say for sure.


Hi ah lovely... wave

I think this is not really a subject that is talked about.. but from the replies.. people have thought about..

Thank you for your imput.. rose
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Dec 5, 2013 6:39 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
rebel2: Absolutely spiffing thank you


excellent! thumbs up wink hug
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Dec 5, 2013 6:53 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Owww does it really have to be voluntary?

Imo, anybody who has the least understanding, economically and environmentally, where the world is going would realise that we should be reusing our plastic bags to suffocate the elderly.
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Dec 5, 2013 6:55 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?


But whoever assists better be on the level!


Legislation on euthanasia in Switzerland permits assisted suicide. For example, lethal drugs may be prescribed as long as the recipient takes an active role in the drug administration. Active euthanasia (such as administering a lethal injection) is not legal. For assisted suicide, the law does not require a physician to be involved, nor does it require the recipient to be a Swiss national. These aspects of the law are unique in the world.


The legality of assisted suicide is a result of article 115 of the Swiss Criminal Code, in effect since 1942, which provides:

"Inciting and assisting suicide: Any person who for selfish motives incites or assists another to commit or attempt to commit suicide shall, if that other person thereafter commits or attempts to commit suicide, be liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding five years or to a monetary penalty."

Consequently, assisting suicide is a crime only if the motive for doing so is selfish, such as personal gain.

When an assisted suicide is declared, a police inquiry may be started. Since no crime has been committed in the absence of a selfish motive, these are mostly open and shut cases. Prosecution can occur if doubts are raised about the patient's competence to make an autonomous choice, or about the motivation of anyone involved in assisting the suicide.

Article 115 was interpreted as legal permission to set up organizations administering life-ending medicine only in the 1980s, 40 years after its coming into effect.

Article 115 does not give physicians a special status in assisting suicide, although they are most likely to have access to suitable drugs. Ethical guidelines have cautioned physicians against prescribing lethal drugs. However, the guidelines also recognize that, in exceptional and clearly defined cases, physicians may justifiably assist suicide.[citation needed] Based on more recent ethical, juridical and medical statements, a prescription of Sodium-Pentobarbital is not necessarily contra-indicated, and thus is no longer generally a violation of medical duty of care.
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Dec 5, 2013 7:10 AM CST so what do you think of voluntary euthanasia ?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Conrad73: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Switzerland

But whoever assists better be on the level!Legislation on euthanasia in Switzerland permits assisted suicide. For example, lethal drugs may be prescribed as long as the recipient takes an active role in the drug administration. Active euthanasia (such as administering a lethal injection) is not legal. For assisted suicide, the law does not require a physician to be involved, nor does it require the recipient to be a Swiss national. These aspects of the law are unique in the world.The legality of assisted suicide is a result of article 115 of the Swiss Criminal Code, in effect since 1942, which provides:

"Inciting and assisting suicide: Any person who for selfish motives incites or assists another to commit or attempt to commit suicide shall, if that other person thereafter commits or attempts to commit suicide, be liable to a custodial sentence not exceeding five years or to a monetary penalty."

Consequently, assisting suicide is a crime only if the motive for doing so is selfish, such as personal gain.

When an assisted suicide is declared, a police inquiry may be started. Since no crime has been committed in the absence of a selfish motive, these are mostly open and shut cases. Prosecution can occur if doubts are raised about the patient's competence to make an autonomous choice, or about the motivation of anyone involved in assisting the suicide.

Article 115 was interpreted as legal permission to set up organizations administering life-ending medicine only in the 1980s, 40 years after its coming into effect.

Article 115 does not give physicians a special status in assisting suicide, although they are most likely to have access to suitable drugs. Ethical guidelines have cautioned physicians against prescribing lethal drugs. However, the guidelines also recognize that, in exceptional and clearly defined cases, physicians may justifiably assist suicide.[citation needed] Based on more recent ethical, juridical and medical statements, a prescription of Sodium-Pentobarbital is not necessarily contra-indicated, and thus is no longer generally a violation of medical duty of care.


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