"Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer" teaches hypocrisy and exclusionism (82)
chatonlyman2: a little nothing to be concerned about though. Nite nice folks
Nos da, Chat.
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2intrigued: All I remember about watching the cartoon version of Rudolf is that it made me cry.
Naaaww, bless.
That Raymond Briggs Snowman story's a bit of tear jerker, too. I remember watching a three year old just crumple at the end of that one, poor thing.
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jac379: Naaaww, bless.
That Raymond Briggs Snowman story's a bit of tear jerker, too. I remember watching a three year old just crumple at the end of that one, poor thing.
That Raymond Briggs Snowman story's a bit of tear jerker, too. I remember watching a three year old just crumple at the end of that one, poor thing.
Oh man, watching Frosty The Snowman devastated me each and every time.
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jac379: I thought you meant it as in 'great at what you do'.
I do think people, and especially children, are under a lot of social pressure to be better than everyone else, rather than simply better themselves. That's the message that the Rudolph fable promotes, amongst other things.
I'm not sure that's healthy.
I do think people, and especially children, are under a lot of social pressure to be better than everyone else, rather than simply better themselves. That's the message that the Rudolph fable promotes, amongst other things.
I'm not sure that's healthy.
you are probably right, however, we know chocolate isn't good for us either yet.... it tastes soooo good.
Stories are meant to told, and the lessons that are conveyed are not always what the author intended. The story is delightful.
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2intrigued: Oh man, watching Frosty The Snowman devastated me each and every time.
I've not seen Frosty. Probably just as well.
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This story teaches children that they shouldn't make fun of someone just because they are different. Children watching this story identify with Rudolph, and the other reindeer that made fun of him in the beginning are shown to have been nasty bigots.
The lesson most children will get from this story is that it is wrong to ridicule someone for being different.
This story gives a good lesson. Children do tend to ostracize those who are different, they do this on their own and not because they watched this movie and see the conformist group as being role models.
It also teaches children that if they are being harassed by other children, they should not let it get them down, because those others are jerks. Rudolph endures persecution, and keeps his dignity and his integrity. He is a good role model.
The lesson most children will get from this story is that it is wrong to ridicule someone for being different.
This story gives a good lesson. Children do tend to ostracize those who are different, they do this on their own and not because they watched this movie and see the conformist group as being role models.
It also teaches children that if they are being harassed by other children, they should not let it get them down, because those others are jerks. Rudolph endures persecution, and keeps his dignity and his integrity. He is a good role model.
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I don't think it's even a true story anyway.
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RayfromUSA: I don't think it's even a true story anyway.
Yes it is! Santa is real and raindeer CAN fly!
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JeanKimberley: Yes it is! Santa is real and raindeer CAN fly!
Oh, OK.
I stand corrected.
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RayfromUSA: Oh, OK.
I stand corrected.
This is betterI stand corrected.
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chatonlyman2: This is better
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chatonlyman2: I hope I get banned for this
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chatonlyman2: I hope I get banned for this
The entire legislative body of this thread has been recalled from Christmas vacation (at great expense I might add) to consider your request to be banned.It falls upon me to have to inform you that your request (duly filed in accordance with all our bylaws in triplicate on recycled wrapping paper, thanks a lot!) has been denied.
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ooby_dooby: The entire legislative body of this thread has been recalled from Christmas vacation (at great expense I might add) to consider your request to be banned.
It falls upon me to have to inform you that your request (duly filed in accordance with all our bylaws in triplicate on recycled wrapping paper, thanks a lot!) has been denied.
Oh well Rudolf would probably want it that way.It falls upon me to have to inform you that your request (duly filed in accordance with all our bylaws in triplicate on recycled wrapping paper, thanks a lot!) has been denied.
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Quote "Robert L. May created Rudolph in 1939 as an assignment for Montgomery Ward. The retailer had been buying and giving away coloring books for Christmas every year and it was decided that creating their own book would save money. May considered naming the reindeer "Rollo" and "Reginald" before deciding upon using the name "Rudolph". In its first year of publication, 2.5 million copies of Rudolph's story were distributed by Montgomery Ward. The story is written as a poem in the meter of "'Twas the Night Before Christmas". Publication and reprint rights for the book Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer are controlled by Pearson Plc.
Of note is the change in the cultural significance of a red nose. In popular culture, a bright red nose was then closely associated with chronic alcoholism and drunkards, and so the story idea was initially rejected. May asked his illustrator friend at Wards, Denver Gillen, to draw "cute reindeer", using zoo deer as models. The alert, bouncy character Gillen developed convinced management to support the idea.
Maxton Books published the first mass-market edition of Rudolph and also published a sequel, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer Shines Again in 1954. In 1991 Applewood Books published Rudolph's Second Christmas, an unpublished sequel that Robert May wrote in 1947. In 2003, Penguin Books issued a reprint version of the original Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer with new artwork by Lisa Papp. Penguin also reprinted May's sequels Rudolph Shines Again and Rudolph's Second Christmas (now retitled Rudolph to the Rescue).[citation needed]" Via Wiki
So like todays version of Father Christmas (Coca-Cola), Rudolf was an American invention just to make money, kind of speaks volumes about the real reason we celebrated Christmas. To make the rich richer!!!
Of note is the change in the cultural significance of a red nose. In popular culture, a bright red nose was then closely associated with chronic alcoholism and drunkards, and so the story idea was initially rejected. May asked his illustrator friend at Wards, Denver Gillen, to draw "cute reindeer", using zoo deer as models. The alert, bouncy character Gillen developed convinced management to support the idea.
Maxton Books published the first mass-market edition of Rudolph and also published a sequel, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer Shines Again in 1954. In 1991 Applewood Books published Rudolph's Second Christmas, an unpublished sequel that Robert May wrote in 1947. In 2003, Penguin Books issued a reprint version of the original Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer with new artwork by Lisa Papp. Penguin also reprinted May's sequels Rudolph Shines Again and Rudolph's Second Christmas (now retitled Rudolph to the Rescue).[citation needed]" Via Wiki
So like todays version of Father Christmas (Coca-Cola), Rudolf was an American invention just to make money, kind of speaks volumes about the real reason we celebrated Christmas. To make the rich richer!!!
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Nevermind, just do a bit of tweaking and empower Rudolph.
Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer
had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw him,
you would even say it glows.
All of the other reindeer
used to laugh, those silly fools.
They never knew "poor" Rudolph
was actually pretty cool.
Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say:
"Rudolph with your nose so bright,
won't you guide my sleigh tonight?"
Then all the reindeer loved him
as they shouted out with glee,
Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer,
you'll go down in history!
Reminds of Baa Baa Black Sheep. Just sounds wrong singing it Baa Baa White sheep. Now that's PC gone wrong.
Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer
had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw him,
you would even say it glows.
All of the other reindeer
used to laugh, those silly fools.
They never knew "poor" Rudolph
was actually pretty cool.
Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say:
"Rudolph with your nose so bright,
won't you guide my sleigh tonight?"
Then all the reindeer loved him
as they shouted out with glee,
Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer,
you'll go down in history!
Reminds of Baa Baa Black Sheep. Just sounds wrong singing it Baa Baa White sheep. Now that's PC gone wrong.
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some sources sear that the original Title of the Song was;"Rudolph The Brown-Nosed Reindeer"! 
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Conrad73: some sources swear that the original Title of the Song was;"Rudolph The Brown-Nosed Reindeer"!
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I am always quietly amused at Rudolph being referred to as male and having a male name.
My understanding is that during the season we celebrate Christmas the male reindeer sheds his antlers whilst the female keep theirs. Surely, that makes 'Rudolphina' a girl...?
Errmmm.... *running for the hills*
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My understanding is that during the season we celebrate Christmas the male reindeer sheds his antlers whilst the female keep theirs. Surely, that makes 'Rudolphina' a girl...?
Errmmm.... *running for the hills*
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that's what I meant.
I thought you meant it as in 'great at what you do'.
I do think people, and especially children, are under a lot of social pressure to be better than everyone else, rather than simply better themselves. That's the message that the Rudolph fable promotes, amongst other things.
I'm not sure that's healthy.