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Jan 11, 2014 4:27 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
Years ago there was a movement to leave the fast paced modern high pressure lifestyle of city living and return to a simpler more enjoyable way of life. It was called the "Back To The Land Movement". This movement came about by people who were fed up with the direction the world was heading with everybody trying to get ahead by stepping on everybody else, raping the planet, starting wars over natural resources like crude oil and generally "keeping up with the Jones". The movement coincided with the environmental movement which sought to undo the years of damage done to the Eco system by greed and ignorance. People were fed up with streams full of dead fish which would burst into flames if you tossed a match in them because they were filled with volatile chemicals and drain oil dumped in them indiscriminately. These interrelated movements even had a Bible, it was called "The Mother Earth News" (TMEN). For a while I had a subscription to it. We couldn't wait to get the next issue and we would go through it page by page.
The movements haven't died, but they have matured and I'm pleased to see that much of the new consciousness that was born in those heady days are normal accepted practices today like recycling and laws put in place to prevent wreaking havoc on the land.
Sorry for preaching.

Many families have decided to get into backyard farming on a very small scale like raising chickens for meat and eggs, pigs for meat and to make some extra money by selling off the offspring (a healthy Sow will produce 2 litters of roughly 10 piglets each per year) a cow for milk, meat and also to sell off the calfs. I've done all of the above and for sheer profit Nothing comes close to raising pigs. They do take work though.
Besides "TMEN" there were/are booklets from companies which produce feed for the livestock industry such as "Carnation" that contain loads of valuable information on how to raise livestock. The problem is though that the advice and regimins outlined in these booklets can't always be "scaled down" to a small backyard operation and in many cases the advice given is actually wrong.
I will give you 2 examples. One concerns pigs and the other concerns chickens.
In the booklet from Carnation entitled "Swine". They recommend "docking" the tails of baby piglets. Basically cutting off the little curley tail leaving only a little nub. The reason for this is they are assuming you are raising hundreds of pigs in close (over crowded) confinement which is typical of a very large commercial hog operation. This practice is supposed to prevent one pig from biting off the tail of another pig. A pig can't bite off a non existant tail. The problem with this advice besides being unnesserary, is that there is no better indicator of the health of a pig than how the tail is carried. A healthy pigs the tail is up and curls in a circle, a sick pigs tail hangs straight down.
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Jan 11, 2014 4:29 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
Chickens:
There is an old timey idea which says you should clip the top beak of a baby chick back to prevent cannibalism. Again this was believed to be helpful by preventing one chicken from damaging another chicken when they were held in close (over crowded) confinement such as in a commercial egg operation where the birds have barely enough room to turn around and they never see the light of day or ever set foot on the ground. I recently bought 6 hens from an old (85 years) farmer but didn't notice the beaks were cut until I got them home. Had I been aware of this he would still own these 6 hens. The problem with cutting the beaks, besides being unnecessary, is that with the beaks cut, the chicken can not eat off the ground but can only eat from a feeder. I kind of wonder if this whole idea wasn't dreamed up by feed producers to prevent a chicken from foraging for food like bugs and grasses and forcing it to consume more factory supplied feed. I do notice that I am going through feed MORE THAT DOUBLE the rate since doubling my head count from 6 to 12. Besides making it impossible for these birds to eat off the ground they look really stupid.
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Jan 11, 2014 5:02 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
My father after retiring from the military decided to be a weekend gentleman farmer.... and we learned through his mistakes that it takes a lot of intelligence to farm.

So first he chose to buy a farm from a cattle homestead. It was black Angus and of course the herding dogs as well as growing wheat and barley. First thing, Angus cows and bulls can crawl under wire fences and get out onto the road and wander away.

When he decided to raise geese - he bought dozens and dozens of chicks, put up pens and thought they would be able to eat the grass in the pen and just a little bit of grain thrown in. Wrong! The geese raze the entire area until there is nothing left but the dirt - then with the sun beating down on them, die of heat stroke. Of course, the cattle dogs, not used to birds, would raid the pens at night and kill off about 20 or so... it was a disaster. I don't think he got enough geese to market to ever do that again.

Next came buffalo....

A farmer must know, weather patterns, business flow of markets, animal husbandry and basic medical skills, know what and when to plant, harvest and take to market - and how to take care of all those animals. It is not for the 9 to 5 or weekends.
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Jan 11, 2014 8:00 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
I had a couple of Peking ducks once but stray dogs killed them both. One day while they were still alive a neighbor came by to chew the fat and while we were talking one of the ducks came all the way up the hill from the pond about a 50 yard walk up hill and was quacking all around my legs. They never ventured away from the pond so this behavior was very strange. I had my back to the pond and suddenly while the duck was quacking my neighbor asked me if I was burning off the dead grass. I said no, why and I turned around to see a big grass fire down by the pond. It seems it was triggered by the electric fence jumping a spark to a blade of grass. The duck came up to warn me that the place was on fire. I was stunned to learn just how smart an animal really is. I've treated all my animals with total respect since that event because it taught me that they are way more aware about things than I ever realized.
I never heard of raising Geese is there a market for that?
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Jan 11, 2014 8:25 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
I have 2x kune kune pigs, and 20x chickens, 1x rooster, this is an organic free range property, 1x chicken sat on 9 eggs and all but one hatched. All other 9 hatched, our free range farm enables them to wander, we only lost 1x to an eagle.

With our pigs, being Kune Kune they only eat grass and treats of bread, and of course huge water pens.
As with thier tails, you can see sometimes if the female is coming on heat, they do raise thier tails.
They are very very fussy.
Ode to Buster and Clara, my pigs.
Yay! for free range
professor
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Jan 11, 2014 8:45 PM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
sophiasummer: I have 2x kune kune pigs, and 20x chickens, 1x rooster, this is an organic free range property, 1x chicken sat on 9 eggs and all but one hatched. All other 9 hatched, our free range farm enables them to wander, we only lost 1x to an eagle.

With our pigs, being Kune Kune they only eat grass and treats of bread, and of course huge water pens.
As with thier tails, you can see sometimes if the female is coming on heat, they do raise thier tails.
They are very very fussy.
Ode to Buster and Clara, my pigs.
Yay! for free range
So your KuneKune pigs are really pets as evidenced by you naming them? Plus they wouldn't be worth much as food being so small. Free range is the only way to keep chickens of course you will lose a few now and then. I shot a young Coyote last week as it was trying to find a way into my chicken pen. I'm fairly sure I hit it because it was a clean shot with a .22 but it ran off and never came back. I would never shoot an Eagle though, for one thing I'm pretty sure they are protected.
My neighbors had a Black Lab which was a chicken killer and she killed at least 2 dozen of my chickens before she got too fat and old to catch them. She never ate them, just killed them. Something was amiss in her training.
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Jan 12, 2014 1:48 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
Witchaywoman
WitchaywomanWitchaywomanCarpentersville, Illinois USA97 Threads 13 Polls 4,344 Posts
Cool stories. My parents read Mother Earth News and Mother Jones. They planted an organic garden out back and they wanted to get a farm. (It would have been a disaster as far as I can tell.) My aunt lives on a hobby farm raising sheep for wool to make sweaters. I would have freaked out and run away. I was a city girl trapped in a suburbanite's body, although, strangely, I feel that I could do some farming now at my age, or at least live in a farm house if I had money and internet.
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Jan 12, 2014 2:07 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
Bspoken4
Bspoken4Bspoken4My forest, Western Cape South Africa636 Posts
A few years ago....
Had over a 100 chickens, dozens of geese, ducks, pea-c*ck, turkeys, guinea fowls etc....

My bloody hounds murdered the lot of them!
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Jan 12, 2014 5:52 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
it is really nice to see more people doing the small farm deal. I'm more motivated now to get back to it and will be setting up my small farm this year dancing

So many benefits, so little investment for a decent return (daily eggs and natural insect killers are great for ROI). yay
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Jan 12, 2014 6:41 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
ekself
ekselfekselfOnehorsetown, Eastern Cape South Africa8 Threads 261 Posts
Starting my very small farm (only 1.72 hectares) project next month. Planning to at least have some chicken for eggs as I am not sure any of us will be able to slaughter it. Not sure I can keep pigs there but again you have to kill them before you can eat them. So think we shall have to keep on buying our meat in nice packets or become vegetarians.
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Jan 12, 2014 6:43 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
ekself: Starting my very small farm (only 1.72 hectares) project next month. Planning to at least have some chicken for eggs as I am not sure any of us will be able to slaughter it. Not sure I can keep pigs there but again you have to kill them before you can eat them. So think we shall have to keep on buying our meat in nice packets or become vegetarians.


Try the foods that supply your needs :)

buckwheat - super food - high protein in leaves & flowers and see:
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Jan 12, 2014 7:15 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
PJ1961: Try the foods that supply your needs :)

buckwheat - super food - high protein in leaves & flowers and see:



Thanks for the info bro. I am going vegi this year, for health reasons not

for not killing an eating animals reasons.

I will be using some of these super foods in my diet and training. I'll let you know how I get on.thumbs up wine
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Jan 12, 2014 10:10 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
ekself: Starting my very small farm (only 1.72 hectares) project next month. Planning to at least have some chicken for eggs as I am not sure any of us will be able to slaughter it. Not sure I can keep pigs there but again you have to kill them before you can eat them. So think we shall have to keep on buying our meat in nice packets or become vegetarians.
I consider myself an expert on keeping chickens for eggs having done this for about 8 years. The one piece of advice I can give is make sure you have a safe place for them to go in for the night that nothing less than a Bear can get into. You'll sleep better knowing that once they are locked up for the night you wont find chicken parts and feathers all over the pen and the head count doesn't come up short. There is no need for a Rooster. There's another old timey idea that you need a Roo in order for the Hens to lay eggs. It's not true, you will get just as many eggs but they wont be fertile is the only difference. BTW, I let my hens hang around til the die of old age, that's the least I can do to repay them for the bounty they gave me.
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Jan 12, 2014 10:12 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
ooby_dooby: I never heard of raising Geese is there a market for that?


my father thought so at the time.....
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Jan 12, 2014 10:16 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
tomcatwarne: Thanks for the info bro. I am going vegi this year, for health reasons not

for not killing an eating animals reasons.

I will be using some of these super foods in my diet and training. I'll let you know how I get on.


Welcome, also try the green veggie powder products - I found one that has beneficial organisms too, probiotic in a big way. yay

I use Vibrant Health Green Vibrance Powder listed here:
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Jan 12, 2014 10:18 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
ooby_dooby: I consider myself an expert on keeping chickens for eggs having done this for about 8 years. The one piece of advice I can give is make sure you have a safe place for them to go in for the night that nothing less than a Bear can get into. You'll sleep better knowing that once they are locked up for the night you wont find chicken parts and feathers all over the pen and the head count doesn't come up short. There is no need for a Rooster. There's another old timey idea that you need a Roo in order for the Hens to lay eggs. It's not true, you will get just as many eggs but they wont be fertile is the only difference. BTW, I let my hens hang around til the die of old age, that's the least I can do to repay them for the bounty they gave me.


Good for you Ooby - although I don't like the idea of killing coyotes - there must be better ways to deter them from your pens then shooting them.
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Jan 12, 2014 10:20 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Have you heard about feeding dried Azolla to your birds?

It's high protein and very easy to grow and harvest,

Humans can eat it also, add some dried to your cereals or soups handshake
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Jan 12, 2014 11:02 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
PJ1961: Welcome, also try the green veggie powder products - I found one that has beneficial organisms too, probiotic in a big way.

I use Vibrant Health Green Vibrance Powder listed here:


Hi PJ, just a question. I googled it and it came up with warnings of high arsenic content. Did you hear anything about this?
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Jan 12, 2014 11:06 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
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KNenagh: Hi PJ, just a question. I googled it and it came up with warnings of high arsenic content. Did you hear anything about this?


you googled which exactly?
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Jan 12, 2014 11:10 AM CST Homesteading livestock / Hobby farming
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
KNenagh: Hi PJ, just a question. I googled it and it came up with warnings of high arsenic content. Did you hear anything about this?


The company explains:



How does arsenic get into plants? Do all plants have arsenic?
Arsenic may be present in many plants due to its absorption through the soil and water. Some seafood has high levels of organic arsenic, so it might stand to reason that sea vegetables also have organic arsenic. This is the non-toxic form of arsenic.

Do organic foods have less arsenic than non-organic foods?
No. Arsenic is found naturally in soil and water, so regardless of the practices used there will be some presence of arsenic.

Does Vibrant Health test for arsenic in their products?
Yes. Vibrant Health has always tested its products for the presence of arsenic and other heavy metals. Rather than an overall arsenic level test we have updated our test to determine levels of organic and inorganic arsenic separately. By testing in this way we can keep levels of arsenic as low as possible, and make sure if it is present it’s primarily organic form.
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