Your Best Argument For Atheism ( Archived) (335)

Jul 13, 2014 12:33 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Lannna23
Lannna23Lannna23las Vegas, Nevada USA23 Threads 1,091 Posts
AgentAjax: if you said a butterfly has a different perceptions of the world than we do or a insect that is born in the morning and dies at night, then it would be a fair claim. All humans share the same reality despite of what people choose to believe. The world market is based on it, everything from colours, tastes to appreciating nature.


I do not agree on this. My reality is completely different than yours. In my reality: I will go in bed tonight saying a prayer for bad and good things that I went through, because they made me wiser. Tomorrow is Sunday and I might go in church. In a 15 days I am going to take off to Europe, and enjoy myself. I will attend my yoga classes, and build inner peace as much as I can, and still have a scientific knowledge in my mind.
In your reality - you probably do not care about Sunday, or you might - because that is a day off for you (did you ask your self why?); your culture is completely different from mine (counting my country of origin and American culture as well), we appreciate different values,...... and I cannot judge more on you and way how you will spend your day since I don't know you.
But everyone's reality is different!
I had a friend. The best friend. She passed away 1.5 months ago, she had cancer. She chose not to fight it, she chose death as an easier way. Her spirit is still around me, her smile, her positivism, ....... and her very last words, with wide open eyes in a moment of saying it,: "you know, they don't have a cure for this" (she didn't name it - he didn't call it cancer; it was "it"). She was atheist, but for some reason she asked for priest before she died. many nights after, she was with me during the night, talking to me...... saying that she is good now, ...... saying that I couldn't do more tan I did for her......
That is my reality........see it is completely different of yours!
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Jul 13, 2014 12:36 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Lannna23
Lannna23Lannna23las Vegas, Nevada USA23 Threads 1,091 Posts
joey987: Math is one of my favorite subjects, there are only right and wrong answers.


no you cannot!
Some logic questions are not based on math! Take for example Danish IQ test!
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Jul 13, 2014 12:45 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Lannna23: no you cannot!
Some logic questions are not based on math! Take for example Danish IQ test!
so how do you score on the test?laugh
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Jul 13, 2014 12:50 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Lannna23
Lannna23Lannna23las Vegas, Nevada USA23 Threads 1,091 Posts
AgentAjax: so how do you score on the test?



You only have to use a logic ;-)
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Jul 13, 2014 1:32 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Lannna23: I do not agree on this. My reality is completely different than yours. In my reality: I will go in bed tonight saying a prayer for bad and good things that I went through, because they made me wiser. Tomorrow is Sunday and I might go in church. In a 15 days I am going to take off to Europe, and enjoy myself. I will attend my yoga classes, and build inner peace as much as I can, and still have a scientific knowledge in my mind.
In your reality - you probably do not care about Sunday, or you might - because that is a day off for you (did you ask your self why?); your culture is completely different from mine (counting my country of origin and American culture as well), we appreciate different values,...... and I cannot judge more on you and way how you will spend your day since I don't know you.
But everyone's reality is different!
I had a friend. The best friend. She passed away 1.5 months ago, she had cancer. She chose not to fight it, she chose death as an easier way. Her spirit is still around me, her smile, her positivism, ....... and her very last words, with wide open eyes in a moment of saying it,: "you know, they don't have a cure for this" (she didn't name it - he didn't call it cancer; it was "it"). She was atheist, but for some reason she asked for priest before she died. many nights after, she was with me during the night, talking to me...... saying that she is good now, ...... saying that I couldn't do more tan I did for her......
That is my reality........see it is completely different of yours!
can you call that a different really. Do we not see the same colours, hear the same sounds, grieve the same...etc? If two of us are walking along and there is a wall and it only stops one of us while the other walks through it, then we would not be sharing the same reality.
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Jul 13, 2014 3:08 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
AgentAjax: can you call that a different really. Do we not see the same colours, hear the same sounds, grieve the same...etc? If two of us are walking along and there is a wall and it only stops one of us while the other walks through it, then we would not be sharing the same reality.

No, we don't see the same colours, hear the same sounds, oe grieve the same.

It's just most of us agree to call what we see, hear and feel the same label with little idea that we're experiencing the same thing.
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Jul 13, 2014 3:19 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Lannna23: I do not agree on this. My reality is completely different than yours. In my reality: I will go in bed tonight saying a prayer for bad and good things that I went through, because they made me wiser. Tomorrow is Sunday and I might go in church. In a 15 days I am going to take off to Europe, and enjoy myself. I will attend my yoga classes, and build inner peace as much as I can, and still have a scientific knowledge in my mind.
In your reality - you probably do not care about Sunday, or you might - because that is a day off for you (did you ask your self why?); your culture is completely different from mine (counting my country of origin and American culture as well), we appreciate different values,...... and I cannot judge more on you and way how you will spend your day since I don't know you.
But everyone's reality is different!
I had a friend. The best friend. She passed away 1.5 months ago, she had cancer. She chose not to fight it, she chose death as an easier way. Her spirit is still around me, her smile, her positivism, ....... and her very last words, with wide open eyes in a moment of saying it,: "you know, they don't have a cure for this" (she didn't name it - he didn't call it cancer; it was "it"). She was atheist, but for some reason she asked for priest before she died. many nights after, she was with me during the night, talking to me...... saying that she is good now, ...... saying that I couldn't do more tan I did for her......
That is my reality........see it is completely different of yours!

I don't go to church and I'm not much fond of organised religion, or concepts of 'god' that I was taught as a child.

And yet some of what I said resonated with you and some of what you said resonated with me. May we call that 'good'? laugh
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Jul 13, 2014 5:06 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
jac379: I don't go to church and I'm not much fond of organised religion, or concepts of 'god' that I was taught as a child.

And yet some of what I said resonated with you and some of what you said resonated with me. May we call that 'good'?
not if you are going to include the small percentage of people with colour blindness or other disabilities. Generally we share the same bitter tastes, sweetness, rhythms. Etc we might not agree due to our upbringing on some or all but we still share the same five sensors.
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Jul 13, 2014 5:48 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
goldengloss
goldenglossgoldenglossMalahide North County Dublin, Dublin Ireland3 Threads 389 Posts
Hi Ajax I only saw your reply now. If you don't understand the meaning behind 'Love thy neighbour' and other writings in many religious books
telling us to love one another, over and over again... then I cannot hope to explain it to you in a Blog. Likewise 'Hell' ask a theologan or somebody who has studied in depth, they will tell you that Hell is the absence of Love. Fire and brimstone are stories. Thats how the Word of God was written. sad flower Again Agent Ajax I have no problem with your being an Atheist, and I am sure you have no problem with my believing in a God 100percent,, I also know you are very intelligent and understand there is room on this Earth for the lot of us. Believers and nonbelievers.
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Jul 13, 2014 5:59 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
goldengloss: Hi Ajax I only saw your reply now. If you don't understand the meaning behind 'Love thy neighbour' and other writings in many religious books
telling us to love one another, over and over again... then I cannot hope to explain it to you in a Blog. Likewise 'Hell' ask a theologan or somebody who has studied in depth, they will tell you that Hell is the absence of Love. Fire and brimstone are stories. Thats how the Word of God was written. Again Agent Ajax I have no problem with your being an Atheist, and I am sure you have no problem with my believing in a God 100percent,, I also know you are very intelligent and understand there is room on this Earth for the lot of us. Believers and nonbelievers.
Im only here on behalf of the atheist. But I would like to have seen how your interpretation of the text differs from others.
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Jul 13, 2014 6:03 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
jac379: Did he come back in spirit form?

Could there be any other explanation?

Might we inherit memories in some way?



I never thought of that was one strong one that came through out of the blue,as a 5 year old...,maybe it was because my mind was open and free without all the self taught ,...this allowed the energy to gain excess to flow through,,,I must be full of gases now because I never experienced that again,,,unblock those channels I say but nowadays by mind is bombarded with traffic,laugh

Today is Sunday to relax and you know what it's not what I do or even if I do nothing but il try to just be and let positive energy to flow through me,,I don't want to block the channels that god gave to me,my god of my understanding.coffee
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Jul 13, 2014 6:11 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
AgentAjax: not if you are going to include the small percentage of people with colour blindness or other disabilities. Generally we share the same bitter tastes, sweetness, rhythms. Etc we might not agree due to our upbringing on some or all but we still share the same five sensors.

There are variations along a continuum in the way each of us perceives colour. Talking of colour blindness and non-colour blindness is too much of an absolute to properly describe colour perception.

May I ask you to describe the colour turquoise?
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Jul 13, 2014 6:21 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
jac379: There are variations along a continuum in the way each of us perceives colour. Talking of colour blindness and non-colour blindness is too much of an absolute to properly describe colour perception.

May I ask you to describe the colour turquoise?
pale green and blue.

The only possible variations you might get due to age where we might not be able to see colours as sharply but it doesn't matter because it adjusts due to memory.
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Jul 13, 2014 6:25 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
My best argument for atheism can be stated in one word: Islam.
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Jul 13, 2014 6:33 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
AgentAjax: pale green and blue.

The only possible variations you might get due to age where we might not be able to see colours as sharply but it doesn't matter because it adjusts due to memory.




Blue is the colour of my loved ones eyes,, inherited and passed on in the genes,I'm am fixated now on the colour blue but I might dare to call it red, and where am I know am I really lying in my bed, it appears to be so, A illusion my mind is free.im taught well in mind and back up of my genes.
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Jul 13, 2014 6:34 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Obscuritan: My best argument for atheism can be stated in one word: Islam.
that would be mine too, yet it is the fastest growing religion.
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Jul 13, 2014 6:37 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
peachmelba
peachmelbapeachmelbawexford, Wexford Ireland72 Threads 9,779 Posts
peachmelba: Blue is the colour of my loved ones eyes,, inherited and passed on in the genes,I'm am fixated now on the colour blue but I might dare to call it red, and where am I know am I really lying in my bed, it appears to be so, A illusion my mind is free.im taught well in mind and back up of my genes.
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I'm half awake when I am dreaming in sleep for my conscience is resting like a dog in its kennel but will be wide awake when I open my eyes but am I really,
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Jul 13, 2014 6:40 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
peachmelba: Blue is the colour of my loved ones eyes,, inherited and passed on in the genes,I'm am fixated now on the colour blue but I might dare to call it red, and where am I know am I really lying in my bed, it appears to be so, A illusion my mind is free.im taught well in mind and back up of my genes.

Blue is the colour of the sea

Unless you go to the black sea you see

Or grab a pair from the tree yet only pick one.

The mind is such if we do not agree than it cannot be.grin
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Jul 13, 2014 7:12 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
AgentAjax: pale green and blue.

The only possible variations you might get due to age where we might not be able to see colours as sharply but it doesn't matter because it adjusts due to memory.

Most men describe the colour turquoise as blue, whilst most women describe it as green/blue.

That's because women tend to have better colour perception than men.

There are variations in colour perception from none to very acute along a continuum (but most people lumped in the middle). I can identify different pigments in a paint, or piece of fabric that I know other people can't see - they look confused when I describe a colour as they only see some basic blend.

Our perceptions are our own, but we label them for the purpose of communication. There is no wrong, or right perception. You can't tell others they are seeing a colour right, or wrong: they see it how they see it.

One person might have a 'concrete' perception of 'god' like a superior being. Another person's perception of 'god' might be to do with 'love', an appreciation of the wonders of nature, or whatever.

I wonder what perceptions of 'atheism' might be, that we might propose our best argument for it. It all sounds a bit airy fairy to me. laugh
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Jul 13, 2014 7:14 AM CST Your Best Argument For Atheism
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
AgentAjax: that would be mine too, yet it is the fastest growing religion.

Is prejudice logical?
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