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Sep 10, 2014 11:23 PM CST B.R.I.C.S
Matisse_
Matisse_Matisse_Alte Brown District, Buenos Aires Argentina4 Threads 1 Polls 64 Posts
For a while now journalists have been saying that
the future of the economy lies within the BRICS group.

Do you think this is true or is it just propaganda
made up by Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa
to gain popularity and investments.
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Sep 10, 2014 11:36 PM CST B.R.I.C.S
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Matisse_: For a while now journalists have been saying that
the future of the economy lies within the BRICS group.

Do you think this is true or is it just propaganda
made up by Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa
to gain popularity and investments.


The strongest leading economy going on right now is the USA's. I believe the best investments that can be made is in the U.S. dollar. It is emerging, again, as a winner. And since we are no longer on a gold standard, holders of U.S. dollars can not demand redemption for gold like some euro countries did purposely in an effort to devalue the American dollar's strength for a few decades following WWII.
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Sep 12, 2014 8:23 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Matisse_: For a while now journalists have been saying that
the future of the economy lies within the BRICS group.

Do you think this is true or is it just propaganda
made up by Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa
to gain popularity and investments.


Those three are the threat. South Africa is a nothing in and of itself, but it is strategically located and useful for helping China to extract resources from the world's children(Sub-Saharan Africans).
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Sep 12, 2014 8:37 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
galrads: The strongest leading economy going on right now is the USA's. I believe the best investments that can be made is in the U.S. dollar. It is emerging, again, as a winner. And since we are no longer on a gold standard, holders of U.S. dollars can not demand redemption for gold like some euro countries did purposely in an effort to devalue the American dollar's strength for a few decades following WWII.


The US/West is not emerging as a winner, it has offset a crisis so as to pretend it's still a winner, and even then it's gone from being a clear winner to being a close winner. You need to respect the momentum. In real terms we're having our arses handed to us by the day.
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Sep 12, 2014 8:40 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
nope but china would like scotland to go indo.
Damm that whiskey.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:01 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
Hence
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Sep 12, 2014 9:24 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Matisse_
Matisse_Matisse_Alte Brown District, Buenos Aires Argentina4 Threads 1 Polls 64 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Those three are the threat. South Africa is a nothing in and of itself, but it is strategically located and useful for helping China to extract resources from the world's children(Sub-Saharan Africans).



China is already extracting resources but from here!,
our goverment gave them a contract to exploit
a huge Iron mine for 100 years!!!

They also gave Russia the Uranium mines!

uh oh
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Sep 12, 2014 9:26 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Obstinance_Works: The US/West is not emerging as a winner, it has offset a crisis so as to pretend it's still a winner, and even then it's gone from being a clear winner to being a close winner. You need to respect the momentum. In real terms we're having our arses handed to us by the day.


I'm not sure if my little mind can grasp all of that. I don't even understand our disregard for our country's unbelievably large debt and, yet, willingness to spend more money to fight ISIL and to keep oil flowing in the Middle East for others, (like Europe) when we don't need that oil. The reason for recent decreasing value of some precious metals escapes me too.

I'm hoping technology develops to liquify natural gas for us to produce and market it Europe cheaper than Russian can ever discount their natural gas.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:32 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
galrads: I'm not sure if my little mind can grasp all of that. I don't even understand our disregard for our country's unbelievably large debt and, yet, willingness to spend more money to fight ISIL and to keep oil flowing in the Middle East for others, (like Europe) when we don't need that oil. The reason for recent decreasing value of some precious metals escapes me too.

I'm hoping technology develops to liquify natural gas for us to produce and market it Europe cheaper than Russian can ever discount their natural gas.
global markets are a headache.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:52 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
reb56: global markets are a headache.


Yeah, but I think its incredible when parts of the world look down on the USA believing we are in the Middle East for our interest in oil. Truth is, our military prescience has kept the oil flowing there for others.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:54 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
galrads: Yeah, but I think its incredible when parts of the world look down on the USA believing we are in the Middle East for our interest in oil. Truth is, our military prescience has kept the oil flowing there for others.
we get more oil from mexico,etc.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:57 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
galrads: I'm not sure if my little mind can grasp all of that. I don't even understand our disregard for our country's unbelievably large debt and, yet, willingness to spend more money to fight ISIL and to keep oil flowing in the Middle East for others, (like Europe) when we don't need that oil. The reason for recent decreasing value of some precious metals escapes me too.

I'm hoping technology develops to liquify natural gas for us to produce and market it Europe cheaper than Russian can ever discount their natural gas.


Our debt act as a mechanism to redistribute wealth from West to East. Rightly speaking nations overspending such as ours should see their currencies collapse in value, but through a political arrangement this does not happen. We are basically pretending our currencies are worth more, and China is pretending its currency is worth less, so we can continue a situation where they sell and we buy - plushy for those alive in the West at the time - until China becomes the big creditor.

No one in the West wants to leave this fantasyland - our whole standard of living is built on the consumerism that debt pays for - and therefore the debt will continue to rise until China surpasses us in all manner, by every measure and no longer needs our advanced technology and education etc..

And we have similar hopes for fracking for gas in the UK. Some sort of energy independence would be a huge weight off our shoulders.
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Sep 12, 2014 9:59 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Matisse_: China is already extracting resources but from here!,
our goverment gave them a contract to exploit
a huge Iron mine for 100 years!!!

They also gave Russia the Uranium mines!


And that's what the B in BRICS is useful for. Brazil and South Africa serve as beachheads into the foreign continents that an aspiring global power needs to exploit.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:05 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
reb56: thats why new york citys world bank has other countrys gold in it,n wont let them have it/germany,etc.to join new union/china,etc.


Absolutely. I wouldn't relinquish anything to the EU as it stands today. I'm not sure how much of an advantage this will give to the US, however. The fundamental problems the EU and the US have in regards to China are the same.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:07 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Absolutely. I wouldn't relinquish anything to the EU as it stands today. I'm not sure how much of an advantage this will give to the US, however. The fundamental problems the EU and the US have in regards to China are the same.
usa can play hardball.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:12 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
Wondered when the oil situation would seep
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Sep 12, 2014 10:16 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Obstinance_Works: And that's what the B in BRICS is useful for. Brazil and South Africa serve as beachheads into the foreign continents that an aspiring global power needs to exploit.
fracking is big biz here.
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Sep 12, 2014 10:17 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
sophiasummer: Wondered when the oil situation would seep
lol,in well or tank?
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Sep 12, 2014 10:27 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
reb56: lol,in well or tank?

Many many of both,google sometime
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Sep 12, 2014 10:47 AM CST B.R.I.C.S
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
reb56: fracking is big biz here.


yeah, it's big .... Pretty soon Ohio is going to be one big sink-hole because of it, and Lake Erie will cover it... Just like what some folks believe happened to Atlantis... laugh
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