Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
Bluefish22: Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?
Then it might not be 'religion', but 'spirituality'.
I think there's an option for that on the CS profiles.
kidatheart: Do you know of a way to light a smoke with a laptop? It's about the only thing I have here in my room at the moment, other than cigarettes obviously.
Bluefish22: Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?
We could create a new religion by mixing Christian doctrines with Islam.But then the Buddhists and others may feel left out!
123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia2,116 posts
A universal nurturing I think that only someone with Christian backbone tolerance can come to such idea to please everybody I doubt you will ever hear about such idea from any Muslim
If anyone asks I tell them I'm Ecumenical because I dislike all religions equally. If I encounter anyone pedaling their religion door-to-door, I tell them I'm Catholic because it makes them go away.
123whisper: A universal nurturing I think that only someone with Christian backbone tolerance can come to such idea to please everybody I doubt you will ever hear about such idea from any Muslim
Well..if you look at the core beliefs of "islam" a bit carefully, you will find out that it is already inclusive.
123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia2,116 posts
funke3: We could create a new religion by mixing Christian doctrines with Islam.But then the Buddhists and others may feel left out!
Oh that's so sweet idea to creat a new religion where most major religions can find a bit of self ...but if you take Islam doctrine in a new religion than you would have to force all other religion to convert in your religion. Everything that is not Islam is treated as it's enemy so your new religion will also be a new enemy of Islam .
123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia2,116 posts
mnowsa: Well..if you look at the core beliefs of "islam" a bit carefully, you will find out that it is already inclusive.
Yes Islam is inclusive in some similar parts from Christian and Jew and that's why Muslims men are only allowed to marry Christian and Jew and no other religion becuase of this. Never the less,duty of every Muslim is to make everyone Muslim to give all people right path in life
123whisper: Yes Islam is inclusive in some similar parts from Christian and Jew and that's why Muslims men are only allowed to marry Christian and Jew and no other religion becuase of this. Never the less,duty of every Muslim is to make everyone Muslim to give all people right path in life
Not really, whisper. There is a little misunderstanding or confusion about "making everyone muslim" thing. Actually, it is not the job or responsibility of a muslim to make everyone muslim. Rather it is the job of Allah Almighty. One can't be a muslim or receive the guidance unless Allah will so. However, what a muslim can do or should do is just to "convey the message of islam" to a non-muslim. Then it is upto the concerned non-muslim whether he/she accepts the message or not. There is no compulsion in islam as far as accepting it concerned.
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Bluefish22: Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?
I say that it is impossible to be wholly inclusive. Personalities (that often some religions tend to draw to them) will always congregate to similar and like.
Just like the poles of magnets, the right ones will stick together and it is very hard to separate them, but the wrong ones will repel each other and you can't get them together with constant effort, strength and will.
So it is with religion. Human beings are primarily spiritual beings. Even athiests still practice faith (only their faith is that there is no God - totally unprovable just as faith that there is a God is unprovable).
Each person has a faith and lives in that faith. Each person has an entitlement to believe as she or he chooses.
If there is one thing that science is proving, that would have to be that there are different spirits, different energies, and as a result different creatures, different solar systems, different planets, different stars, etc.)
Different religions are an extension of the self. Yes even atheism is a religion whose worshipers vehemently defend it. It is intrinsically unprovable. It is accepted by its believers as truth without evidence.
Just as in nature we see constant conflicting forces opposing each other, this is a part of the spirit in each of us. Some like those magnets will cling together, some will repel each other.
Conflict is not the issue. It is our wanting others to be like ourselves that is the issue.
I think let those who believe, believe. Let those who judge, judge. Let those who choose to reject religion reject religion. Let those who embrace religion, embrace it.
Conflict and disagreement is a part of living and life.
Just as "Jack Sparrow" said in the movie. There are only two things that matter. What a man can do and what a man can't do.
Me, I disagree with others and I can't accept certain behaviours in either the religious or the non-religious, the spiritual and the non-spiritual. These things I accept and have learned that it is okay to not agree about. There is nothing wrong with this natural conflict that we see in nature all around us.
It is wrong to expect others to view things from our own flawed perspectives.
123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia2,116 posts
Halv0: I say that it is impossible to be wholly inclusive. Personalities (that often some religions tend to draw to them) will always congregate to similar and like.
Just like the poles of magnets, the right ones will stick together and it is very hard to separate them, but the wrong ones will repel each other and you can't get them together with constant effort, strength and will.
So it is with religion. Human beings are primarily spiritual beings. Even athiests still practice faith (only their faith is that there is no God - totally unprovable just as faith that there is a God is unprovable).
Each person has a faith and lives in that faith. Each person has an entitlement to believe as she or he chooses.
If there is one thing that science is proving, that would have to be that there are different spirits, different energies, and as a result different creatures, different solar systems, different planets, different stars, etc.)
Different religions are an extension of the self. Yes even atheism is a religion whose worshipers vehemently defend it. It is intrinsically unprovable. It is accepted by its believers as truth without evidence.
Just as in nature we see constant conflicting forces opposing each other, this is a part of the spirit in each of us. Some like those magnets will cling together, some will repel each other.
Conflict is not the issue. It is our wanting others to be like ourselves that is the issue.
I think let those who believe, believe. Let those who judge, judge. Let those who choose to reject religion reject religion. Let those who embrace religion, embrace it.
Conflict and disagreement is a part of living and life.
Just as "Jack Sparrow" said in the movie. There are only two things that matter. What a man can do and what a man can't do.
Me, I disagree with others and I can't accept certain behaviours in either the religious or the non-religious, the spiritual and the non-spiritual. These things I accept and have learned that it is okay to not agree about. There is nothing wrong with this natural conflict that we see in nature all around us.
It is wrong to expect others to view things from our own flawed perspectives.
JMO
Great points. Every religion always pursues purity and every part of religion is devoted to the attempt to safeguard this purity,moral rightnes...and I do not see any religions to be successful in their pursuit of purity. There is natural conflict that we see in nature,nothing new about clushes of culture,ideologies... but it does not feels right to be ignorant in pretence there is nothing wrong about threat of no democratic culture.
Phareps the root of the problem lies more simply in democracy's openness...where attack by democracy against any part of itself - exposing itself to the threat of 'fundamental radicalist.'
Bluefish22: Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?
My first thought is what planet are you on?
My second thought is that this is warming pablum with the word religion slapped on it. I'm a big fan of thinking of yourself, don't get me wrong, only on condition that you conform to what you learn and agree with and not use religion or spiritual words as a paper thin veneer for whatever the hell you want - i.e. be a Meist.
Meism and thinking for yourself are two very different things which are commonly mistaken to be the same in a shallow and unsophisticated age. Meism actually suggests that you never learn or take on board anything at all even though technically it is still thinking for yourself - similar to the way that a baby "thinks for itself" because it cannot really comprehend or contend with anything else.
I for one have noticed the trend that when people put "spiritual but not religious" what they often mean is "immature and self-absorbed". 80% of the time it's a Meist who probably wasn't hit hard enough as a child.
Bluefish22: Can we not all start to feel inclusive? Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?
I did that, I'm not a church goer and whoever wants to be religious is her/his choice.
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Inclusive meaning chop down all those barriers of fear you've built up over the years from childhood. Anybody different you must be wary of. Get rid of it. We are all one blood, one universal spirit that we are all part of.
The sooner we take responsibility for our own religion and decide what we believe ourselves, and not what we have been forcefed, the sooner we will all commune in our own way to a universal nurturing.
What say you?