GERMANY,,, WHERE ARE WE NOW ? (840)
Babettefr: It was concretely known that Germany has opened it's door to refugees without consulting the opinions, or seek agreement with the UE member nations.
Not all countries of the UE are undergoing the same shortage of labor supply, as this was the most logical explaination/analysis of Germany's unprecedented generosity, and we just can't forget their firmness about Greece.
Is Germany can be blamed for the total deterioration the system regarding the handling of these flow of population?
Today, all the Interior Ministers of the 28 member nation are again brought to a difficult phase as to the division/acceptation on the number of people arriving in all the frontiers, sea or land.
How could there'll be an harmonious management of a EU if those who have the GUTS to deturn certain principles of a common interests can be easlily deturn in favor of political/economic supremacy.
Again, UE members are divided.
Now, to whom Germany could turn it's symphaty? And how could they justify their moves in creating such chaos.
Helping refugees should never be denied to ligimate seekers, and a well plannned acceptance of immigrants is always advantageous according to each countries needs.
The root cause of these problem as most of us knows, and had followed is somewhere else, it's almost obsolete to talk about a war without a face as an ISLAMIC STATE is accelerating in it's force and expansion, determined to arrived their plans, they are fully in operation/excution of such tactics.
And where are we now ? ,,,,,
Not all countries of the UE are undergoing the same shortage of labor supply, as this was the most logical explaination/analysis of Germany's unprecedented generosity, and we just can't forget their firmness about Greece.
Is Germany can be blamed for the total deterioration the system regarding the handling of these flow of population?
Today, all the Interior Ministers of the 28 member nation are again brought to a difficult phase as to the division/acceptation on the number of people arriving in all the frontiers, sea or land.
How could there'll be an harmonious management of a EU if those who have the GUTS to deturn certain principles of a common interests can be easlily deturn in favor of political/economic supremacy.
Again, UE members are divided.
Now, to whom Germany could turn it's symphaty? And how could they justify their moves in creating such chaos.
Helping refugees should never be denied to ligimate seekers, and a well plannned acceptance of immigrants is always advantageous according to each countries needs.
The root cause of these problem as most of us knows, and had followed is somewhere else, it's almost obsolete to talk about a war without a face as an ISLAMIC STATE is accelerating in it's force and expansion, determined to arrived their plans, they are fully in operation/excution of such tactics.
And where are we now ? ,,,,,
sorry for some grammar errors , the essence is there ,,
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Babettefr: It was concretely known that Germany has opened it's door to refugees without consulting the opinions, or seek agreement with the UE member nations.
Not all countries of the UE are undergoing the same shortage of labor supply, as this was the most logical explaination/analysis of Germany's unprecedented generosity, and we just can't forget their firmness about Greece.
Is Germany can be blamed for the total deterioration the system regarding the handling of these flow of population?
Today, all the Interior Ministers of the 28 member nation are again brought to a difficult phase as to the division/acceptation on the number of people arriving in all the frontiers, sea or land.
How could there'll be an harmonious management of a EU if those who have the GUTS to deturn certain principles of a common interests can be easlily deturn in favor of political/economic supremacy.
Again, UE members are divided.
Now, to whom Germany could turn it's symphaty? And how could they justify their moves in creating such chaos.
Helping refugees should never be denied to ligimate seekers, and a well plannned acceptance of immigrants is always advantageous according to each countries needs.
The root cause of these problem as most of us knows, and had followed is somewhere else, it's almost obsolete to talk about a war without a face as an ISLAMIC STATE is accelerating in it's force and expansion, determined to arrived their plans, they are fully in operation/excution of such tactics.
And where are we now ? ,,,,,
in a word.....up the river without a paddle........pfffffft.Not all countries of the UE are undergoing the same shortage of labor supply, as this was the most logical explaination/analysis of Germany's unprecedented generosity, and we just can't forget their firmness about Greece.
Is Germany can be blamed for the total deterioration the system regarding the handling of these flow of population?
Today, all the Interior Ministers of the 28 member nation are again brought to a difficult phase as to the division/acceptation on the number of people arriving in all the frontiers, sea or land.
How could there'll be an harmonious management of a EU if those who have the GUTS to deturn certain principles of a common interests can be easlily deturn in favor of political/economic supremacy.
Again, UE members are divided.
Now, to whom Germany could turn it's symphaty? And how could they justify their moves in creating such chaos.
Helping refugees should never be denied to ligimate seekers, and a well plannned acceptance of immigrants is always advantageous according to each countries needs.
The root cause of these problem as most of us knows, and had followed is somewhere else, it's almost obsolete to talk about a war without a face as an ISLAMIC STATE is accelerating in it's force and expansion, determined to arrived their plans, they are fully in operation/excution of such tactics.
And where are we now ? ,,,,,
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German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said: 'At this moment Germany is temporarily introducing border controls again along [the EU's] internal borders. The focus will be on the border to Austria at first.
'The aim of these measures is to limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures when people enter the country.
Mr de Maiziere added: 'This step has become necessary. The great readiness to help that Germany has shown in recent weeks... must not be overstretched.'
Mr de Maiziere's announcement came on the eve of tomorrow's meeting of EU interior ministers in Brussels, where European Commission proposals to redistribute about 160,000 asylum seekers across the bloc will be discussed.
But there are deep divisions between member states and no sign of a solution.
The Schengen agreement – allowing passport-free movement across much of the European continent – is now under real threat following Germany’s temporary opt-out, although the European Commission said rules do allow countries to reintroduce controls in exceptional circumstances.
In a statement the EU executive said: 'The temporary reintroduction of border controls between member states is an exceptional possibility explicitly foreseen in and regulated by the Schengen Borders Code, in case of a crisis situation.
'The current situation in Germany, prima facie, appears to be a situation covered by the rules.'
'The aim of these measures is to limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures when people enter the country.
Mr de Maiziere added: 'This step has become necessary. The great readiness to help that Germany has shown in recent weeks... must not be overstretched.'
Mr de Maiziere's announcement came on the eve of tomorrow's meeting of EU interior ministers in Brussels, where European Commission proposals to redistribute about 160,000 asylum seekers across the bloc will be discussed.
But there are deep divisions between member states and no sign of a solution.
The Schengen agreement – allowing passport-free movement across much of the European continent – is now under real threat following Germany’s temporary opt-out, although the European Commission said rules do allow countries to reintroduce controls in exceptional circumstances.
In a statement the EU executive said: 'The temporary reintroduction of border controls between member states is an exceptional possibility explicitly foreseen in and regulated by the Schengen Borders Code, in case of a crisis situation.
'The current situation in Germany, prima facie, appears to be a situation covered by the rules.'
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truheart1941: in a word.....up the river without a paddle........pfffffft.
tru,,
same pffffft here, i seem to understand now why EU could and will never be united, just the word diplomacy could settle it. And in a scenario of war, as what is being presented in the alternatives, as usual, without any doubt FRANCE & UK will be on the frontline again without reaping the due benefits out of it, as what we had witnessed on the IRAQ afterwar.
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Babettefr: tru,, same pffffft here, i seem to understand now why EU could and will never be united, just the word diplomacy could settle it.
And in a scenario of war, as what is being presented in the alternatives, as usual, without any doubt FRANCE & UK will be on the frontline again without reaping the due benefits out of it, as what we had witnessed on the IRAQ afterwar.
And in a scenario of war, as what is being presented in the alternatives, as usual, without any doubt FRANCE & UK will be on the frontline again without reaping the due benefits out of it, as what we had witnessed on the IRAQ afterwar.
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tomcatwarne: German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said: 'At this moment Germany is temporarily introducing border controls again along [the EU's] internal borders. The focus will be on the border to Austria at first.
'The aim of these measures is to limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures when people enter the country.
Mr de Maiziere added: 'This step has become necessary. The great readiness to help that Germany has shown in recent weeks... must not be overstretched.'
Mr de Maiziere's announcement came on the eve of tomorrow's meeting of EU interior ministers in Brussels, where European Commission proposals to redistribute about 160,000 asylum seekers across the bloc will be discussed.
But there are deep divisions between member states and no sign of a solution.
The Schengen agreement – allowing passport-free movement across much of the European continent – is now under real threat following Germany’s temporary opt-out, although the European Commission said rules do allow countries to reintroduce controls in exceptional circumstances.
In a statement the EU executive said: 'The temporary reintroduction of border controls between member states is an exceptional possibility explicitly foreseen in and regulated by the Schengen Borders Code, in case of a crisis situation.
'The current situation in Germany, prima facie, appears to be a situation covered by the rules.'
'The aim of these measures is to limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures when people enter the country.
Mr de Maiziere added: 'This step has become necessary. The great readiness to help that Germany has shown in recent weeks... must not be overstretched.'
Mr de Maiziere's announcement came on the eve of tomorrow's meeting of EU interior ministers in Brussels, where European Commission proposals to redistribute about 160,000 asylum seekers across the bloc will be discussed.
But there are deep divisions between member states and no sign of a solution.
The Schengen agreement – allowing passport-free movement across much of the European continent – is now under real threat following Germany’s temporary opt-out, although the European Commission said rules do allow countries to reintroduce controls in exceptional circumstances.
In a statement the EU executive said: 'The temporary reintroduction of border controls between member states is an exceptional possibility explicitly foreseen in and regulated by the Schengen Borders Code, in case of a crisis situation.
'The current situation in Germany, prima facie, appears to be a situation covered by the rules.'
Bonjour tom,,
What other immediate alternative is left but to suspend temporarily the Schengen, in waiting for appropriate moves/agreement , member counties on the frontiers should be given adequate support.
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Babettefr: Bonjour tom,,
What other immediate alternative is left but to suspend temporarily the Schengen, in waiting for appropriate moves/agreement , member counties on the frontiers should be given adequate support.
What other immediate alternative is left but to suspend temporarily the Schengen, in waiting for appropriate moves/agreement , member counties on the frontiers should be given adequate support.
Bonjour Babette,
I can only agree with your comments.
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tomcatwarne: Bonjour Babette,
I can only agree with your comments.
I can only agree with your comments.
And maybe, accelerate in placing those neighbouring countries that are still in a relatively peaceful condition at the moment, under the umbrella of the UN before they will be infiltrated, thus creating again the same scenario ,, my piece ,,,
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Obstinance_Works: Compassion would seem to be both our greatest strength and our greatest weakness. It's the reason why we left the feudal darkness behind and it is also the reason why we may now sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister and more protracted by the warmth of perverted altruism.
Compassion was never and will never be present in the financial and political claws that crample/driven the humanity into it's lowest identity.
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Angela Merkel is an idiot. She will go down in history as the one who destroyed Europe.
There's an old saying: "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get your wish."
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ooby_dooby: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/14/angela-merkels-misguided-generosity-sinking-europe/
Angela Merkel is an idiot. She will go down in history as the one who destroyed Europe.
There's an old saying: "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get your wish."
Angela Merkel is an idiot. She will go down in history as the one who destroyed Europe.
There's an old saying: "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get your wish."
dooby
thanks for the link, More and more apparent now that Merkel has completely miscaculated the
consequence of her decision, She/her party has that complex of "What Germany Wants EU Wants", the problem now is how to justify her stand and have that credibility to enforce once again their supremacy in deciding in the dealing with the problematic issues of the EU.
To be a good ruler, you must have that capacity to anticipate.
Seems she failed in this case.
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Babettefr: And they should make it good now, no half measures, it must be a good fireplay with Putin behind Assad, to safeguard Russia's military base in Syria,,
Dear Babette,
The allies attacks on Syria are a good gamble as this Russian Naval Facility is not a major one for warships but only a base for repair ship facilities.
Ref Wiki.
Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance facility, under a 1971 agreement with Ba'athist Syria, which was—until the second year of the Syrian Civil War—staffed by Russian naval personnel. Most recently, the facility hosts the Amur class floating workshop PM-138, capable of providing technical maintenance to Russian warships deployed in the Mediterranean.
The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 meter long floating piers located on the inside of the northern breakwater were operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 meter Neustrashimyy frigate through the 163 meter Udaloy destroyer, and much less cruisers such as the 186.4 meter Slava class, the 252 meter Kirov class, and the 305 meter Kuznetsov class.
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Babettefr: And they should make it good now, no half measures, it must be a good fireplay with Putin behind Assad, to safeguard Russia's military base in Syria,,
As Tom saying. The russian naval base in Syria, not a major
one.
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tomcatwarne: Dear Babette,
The allies attacks on Syria are a good gamble as this Russian Naval Facility is not a major one for warships but only a base for repair ship facilities.
Ref Wiki.
Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance facility, under a 1971 agreement with Ba'athist Syria, which was—until the second year of the Syrian Civil War—staffed by Russian naval personnel. Most recently, the facility hosts the Amur class floating workshop PM-138, capable of providing technical maintenance to Russian warships deployed in the Mediterranean.
The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 meter long floating piers located on the inside of the northern breakwater were operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 meter Neustrashimyy frigate through the 163 meter Udaloy destroyer, and much less cruisers such as the 186.4 meter Slava class, the 252 meter Kirov class, and the 305 meter Kuznetsov class.
The allies attacks on Syria are a good gamble as this Russian Naval Facility is not a major one for warships but only a base for repair ship facilities.
Ref Wiki.
Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance facility, under a 1971 agreement with Ba'athist Syria, which was—until the second year of the Syrian Civil War—staffed by Russian naval personnel. Most recently, the facility hosts the Amur class floating workshop PM-138, capable of providing technical maintenance to Russian warships deployed in the Mediterranean.
The Tartus facility can accommodate four medium-sized vessels only if both of its 100 meter long floating piers located on the inside of the northern breakwater were operational. It is not capable of hosting any of the Russian Navy's current major warships which range in length from the 129 meter Neustrashimyy frigate through the 163 meter Udaloy destroyer, and much less cruisers such as the 186.4 meter Slava class, the 252 meter Kirov class, and the 305 meter Kuznetsov class.
tom,
And so taking the out the importance of it's base, what's the interest of Russia to camp behind Assad ?
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chris27292729: As Tom saying. The russian naval base in Syria, not a major
one.
one.
And so, what's the major interest, selling of firearms maybe?
Relationship between Russia and France is somewhat delicate because of the Ukranian conflict in which France exerted a pressure on Russia.
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Babettefr: tom,
And so taking the out the importance of it's base, what's the interest of Russia to camp behind Assad ?
And so taking the out the importance of it's base, what's the interest of Russia to camp behind Assad ?
My dear
Report: Russia, U.S., Saudi Arabia in Talks Over Easing Assad Out of Power
Bloomberg reports U.S. and Russian officials say Russia have been signaling willingness to see Syrian president as ceremonial interim head of state.
Haaretz Sep 14, 2015 11:47 AM
Russia may allow a resolution of the Syrian civil war which would see Syrian President Bashar Assad out of power, said U.S. and Russian officials, as well as Syrian opposition leaders, Bloomberg reported Monday.
According to the officials, Russia, the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Syrian opposition leaders have been discussing plans for sidelining Assad since at least June, Bloomberg reported.
According to Bloomberg, the sides have been considering a plan which would see Assad retaining a ceremonial role as interim head of state ahead of future elections. Russia is Assad's longtime ally, and has resisted previous proposals which sought to oust the Syrian president. According to the officials, the reported change in Russia's stance is due to the rise of ISIS.
read more:
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Capricorn143: How come she never felt any pity for the poor in Greece? Obviously, one needs to be a Muslim to be pitied by the whites.
Maybe the word ""pity"",is not so much,in use,in her country.
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tomcatwarne: My dear
Report: Russia, U.S., Saudi Arabia in Talks Over Easing Assad Out of Power
Bloomberg reports U.S. and Russian officials say Russia have been signaling willingness to see Syrian president as ceremonial interim head of state.
Haaretz Sep 14, 2015 11:47 AM
Russia may allow a resolution of the Syrian civil war which would see Syrian President Bashar Assad out of power, said U.S. and Russian officials, as well as Syrian opposition leaders, Bloomberg reported Monday.According to the officials, Russia, the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Syrian opposition leaders have been discussing plans for sidelining Assad since at least June, Bloomberg reported.
According to Bloomberg, the sides have been considering a plan which would see Assad retaining a ceremonial role as interim head of state ahead of future elections. Russia is Assad's longtime ally, and has resisted previous proposals which sought to oust the Syrian president. According to the officials, the reported change in Russia's stance is due to the rise of ISIS.
read more:
Report: Russia, U.S., Saudi Arabia in Talks Over Easing Assad Out of Power
Bloomberg reports U.S. and Russian officials say Russia have been signaling willingness to see Syrian president as ceremonial interim head of state.
Haaretz Sep 14, 2015 11:47 AM
Russia may allow a resolution of the Syrian civil war which would see Syrian President Bashar Assad out of power, said U.S. and Russian officials, as well as Syrian opposition leaders, Bloomberg reported Monday.According to the officials, Russia, the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Syrian opposition leaders have been discussing plans for sidelining Assad since at least June, Bloomberg reported.
According to Bloomberg, the sides have been considering a plan which would see Assad retaining a ceremonial role as interim head of state ahead of future elections. Russia is Assad's longtime ally, and has resisted previous proposals which sought to oust the Syrian president. According to the officials, the reported change in Russia's stance is due to the rise of ISIS.
read more:
thank you tom,,At last, assuring, Assad should fall as how tyrant rulers should end.
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Babettefr: And so, what's the major interest, selling of firearms maybe?
Relationship between Russia and France is somewhat delicate because of the Ukranian conflict in which France exerted a pressure on Russia.
Relationship between Russia and France is somewhat delicate because of the Ukranian conflict in which France exerted a pressure on Russia.
Is mainly refuelling and a small repairs facility,the Tartus one.
They've got to have some naval docks in the Med.
All 4 permanent UN, Sec. Council.France,UK, USA, and Russia, have
naval bases in the Med.
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Not all countries of the UE are undergoing the same shortage of labor supply, as this was the most logical explaination/analysis of Germany's unprecedented generosity, and we just can't forget their firmness about Greece.
Is Germany can be blamed for the total deterioration the system regarding the handling of these flow of population?
Today, all the Interior Ministers of the 28 member nation are again brought to a difficult phase as to the division/acceptation on the number of people arriving in all the frontiers, sea or land.
How could there'll be an harmonious management of a EU if those who have the GUTS to deturn certain principles of a common interests can be easlily deturn in favor of political/economic supremacy.
Again, UE members are divided.
Now, to whom Germany could turn it's symphaty? And how could they justify their moves in creating such chaos.
Helping refugees should never be denied to ligimate seekers, and a well plannned acceptance of immigrants is always advantageous according to each countries needs.
The root cause of these problem as most of us knows, and had followed is somewhere else, it's almost obsolete to talk about a war without a face as an ISLAMIC STATE is accelerating in it's force and expansion, determined to arrived their plans, they are fully in operation/excution of such tactics.
And where are we now ? ,,,,,