the right to bear arms (152)
Ocee102: I like sleeves.
Well Ocee, whatever makes you feel better or safer for that matter.
Nice to see you...
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they currently can't win Lindsay and they know it.. 85 million armed citizens against 3.5 million under government arms.. half stationed overseas.. and they know this.. which is why there is such a push to disarm us.. for them to do everything they want to do will cause a reaction that they couldn't handle or surpress.. America would plunge into a civil war that would make Syria look like a playground fight.. which is the real reason for the push for more gun control.. even DHS's own website lists Americans themselves as the #1 terrorist threat to the state
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JustBrian: they currently can't win Lindsay and they know it.. 85 million armed citizens against 3.5 million under government arms.. half stationed overseas.. and they know this.. which is why there is such a push to disarm us.. for them to do everything they want to do will cause a reaction that they couldn't handle or surpress.. America would plunge into a civil war that would make Syria look like a playground fight.. which is the real reason for the push for more gun control.. even DHS's own website lists Americans themselves as the #1 terrorist threat to the state
It's good to be informed Brian. I used to live on a 12 acre which I bought in 1985 by the redwoods and I had two shotguns, double barrel and three hand guns on the 3 bedrooms and while I sold the shot guns, I still own one 38 and one 45 but my little 22 is my favorite. I still have a magazine that I used to subscribe to. Well my ex husband but I haven't really felt more need than now to keep this right.
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sad to say Lindsay we need it more than ever. because our leadership now only represents the largest campaign donors.. (bought and paid for representation) they are the sock puppets to who put them in office.. we are just ATM machines to them (tax collection) we get laws most oppose (the patriot act and NDAA) we get wars we do not (Iraq and Syria) and we are forced to pay for subsidies for the big oil companies to look for oil and bailouts for the bankers who gamble away their customer's deposits.. without any risk of being held responsible for criminal activity.. we the people?? I think not..
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JustBrian: sad to say Lindsay we need it more than ever. because our leadership now only represents the largest campaign donors.. (bought and paid for representation) they are the sock puppets to who put them in office.. we are just ATM machines to them (tax collection) we get laws most oppose (the patriot act and NDAA) we get wars we do not (Iraq and Syria) and we are forced to pay for subsidies for the big oil companies to look for oil and bailouts for the bankers who gamble away their customer's deposits.. without any risk of being held responsible for criminal activity.. we the people?? I think not..
Let's PUT our heads together and fight this battle Brian. Numbers win, since only about a few percentage of them controlling us. Awareness and education is our tool. We have a lot of work to do.
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Lindsay look up stormcloudsgathering on YouTube. he is a researcher into the real politics and motives behind them.. very well referenced information.. I don't agree with everything he says.. but 95% of his stuff is spot on.. I think you will like his work and find it very enlightening..
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lindsyjones: CC where? In England, by golly, Moose just posted about the UK as the third biggest owner of nuclear power CC. Which one would you rather have, the gun? or the nuclear bomb? But of course, we do have it here too.
And the good news is that we do have the ability to move to wherever we think is better..
I will stay here CC. The report that was posted by Conrad proved that we still have a better and safer place than the rest of the world who don't even have the right to bear arms.
And the good news is that we do have the ability to move to wherever we think is better..
I will stay here CC. The report that was posted by Conrad proved that we still have a better and safer place than the rest of the world who don't even have the right to bear arms.
Not true, that report, written by a member of the NRA by the way, wrote a very twisted and inaccurate report, trying to back out of comparing the United states with civilised countries and replacing with countries renowned for underlying gang/drug warfare, he also conveniently left out of his report, death by the insane and death by accidental gun fire, He also made up a point that the Fisher report was based on the OECD, NOT TRUE, that was HIS (Ryan McMaken's) opinion, the fisher report makes no reference to the OECD., in fact the Fisher report specifically tries to compare with very similar countries.
Just because someone purportedly supports your argument does NOT make it a truth, may I suggest that you look at both side of an argument before you spout examples, which have no bearing on the true facts!
Fact, The USA is regarded as a civilised country.
Fact, the number of people killed by guns in the USA is higher than ANY other similarly civilised country in peacetime.
Fact, The Gun lobby have no care or compassion for the innocent killed by guns, proven by their refusal to have responsible and enforced laws regarding gun ownership.
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"The right to bear arms"
Yes I support it 100%, In fact, the USA government should ensure that every child born in the USA should be given a gun, it is after all, their right.
The fact that the child may shoot it's mother is not important, what is important is "The right to bear arms"
Once all the "Americans" have shot each other, the British can step back in, apologise profusely to the Native Americans, for the terrible mistake made 250 years ago, and give them back their country.
And the world will be at peace
Yes I support it 100%, In fact, the USA government should ensure that every child born in the USA should be given a gun, it is after all, their right.
The fact that the child may shoot it's mother is not important, what is important is "The right to bear arms"
Once all the "Americans" have shot each other, the British can step back in, apologise profusely to the Native Americans, for the terrible mistake made 250 years ago, and give them back their country.
And the world will be at peace
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if the British hadn't been such tyrants to the colonies you wouldn't have gotten your asses kicked out of America in the first place..
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JustBrian: if the British hadn't been such tyrants to the colonies you wouldn't have gotten your asses kicked out of America in the first place..
At least we learnt from our mistakes, shame your country does not do the same!!
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rizlared: "The right to bear arms"
Yes I support it 100%, In fact, the USA government should ensure that every child born in the USA should be given a gun, it is after all, their right.
The fact that the child may shoot it's mother is not important, what is important is "The right to bear arms"
Once all the "Americans" have shot each other, the British can step back in, apologise profusely to the Native Americans, for the terrible mistake made 250 years ago, and give them back their country.
And the world will be at peace
Yes I support it 100%, In fact, the USA government should ensure that every child born in the USA should be given a gun, it is after all, their right.
The fact that the child may shoot it's mother is not important, what is important is "The right to bear arms"
Once all the "Americans" have shot each other, the British can step back in, apologise profusely to the Native Americans, for the terrible mistake made 250 years ago, and give them back their country.
And the world will be at peace
Perhaps the Brits can apologise to the Natives in Canada first, after the treatment they received from an occupying force. The Yanks were by far worse in many ways, but the Brits have an awful lot to answer for themselves.
I won't bother to cite the numerous atrocities committed, some that continue to this very day, you can do your own research, if you wish.
As for the original debate, I've been to 30 plus US states, and I can't say I felt safe on the last few trips. It's been over a year since my last visit, and I can't see going back. Things have changed since the first time I visited over 30 years ago, and not for the better. I can see why more people wish to possess firearms for their own protection, but that does say a lot for the country in and of itself.
Rather a sad commentary overall, but I'm not against responsible firearms ownership either. I just see that there are a lot of needless so called "accidents" due to mishandling and unsafe storage, by people that didn't mean any harm, but likely don't have enough functional brain cells to own forearms safely. Yet they have the right...
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mistakes?? like making china an opium addicted nation?? then invading them and occupying Hong Kong for 100 + years when they wanted to sober up?? or how about the many other countries you "colonized" (read invaded by force of arms) and plundered their resources for centuries?? learned?? no.. you were rebelled against and defeated.. the British are the best reason on earth to keep a gun. historically its all your country has ever understood.. even after WW2 you tried to retake colonies like India. and screwed the whole middle east up with how you divided up the land.. India and Pakistan have been fighting over that mess Britain made there ever since.. and even to this day you guys still love dropping bombs on everyone.. in fact you bomb who America tells you to when America tells you to do it.. you learned nothing.. just like America has learned nothing. don't pretend to be so enlightened. your no better than us.. god save the queen and the monarchy of centuries of murder
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Conrad73: you all got it Bassackward!
I see you still dip in and post a dubious conservative biased link from time to time
I think the opposite is true Conrad
If you want to compare murder rates from the US against Venezuela, Mexico and Panama, with all their inherent problems you go right ahead.
I try to hold the US to a higher standard and their murder rates per capita is well above so called civilised societies as your link proves.
Part of the reason innocent people get killed, is the right to bear arms, the gun laws, and the gun lobby.
Hope your health is well Con
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Conrad73: nope,that actually is BullMalarkey!
The Laws apply all the same!
The Laws apply all the same!
Thanks for posting a link proving that there is a loophole, even if people try to skew the figures
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lindsyjones: It used to be in the early part of the 80s but not anymore. Even at gun fairs they do not issue the gun you bought right away, you have to wait until the background check is finished.
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Da_Moose: 1. Reason I stated Central and South America was that certain countries there have a FAR higher ratio of gun murders per 100.000 capita than does the USA.
Yep
2. LOL! Really,....check out the stats for Canada,....we are REAL dangerous with knives.....guns in murders and armed robberies rank third here,.....knives are #1 Guns can be like plane crashes,....a lot in a single event.....but cars take more,....just a few at a time.
3. Okay, lets try someone other than the USA. Try Colombia....no right to bear arms is given,....its easy to look up their laws....yet 3 times the murder rate with guns.....with restrictive legislation?
Colombia, ah you can do better than that Moose
4. And YES, I blame the USA and their drug war for the rise of the cartels and their criminality,....bt I will save that argument for my neighbours to the south.
And hey Aragon..... I would enjoy sitting across from you debating and tossing a few back!
Yep
2. LOL! Really,....check out the stats for Canada,....we are REAL dangerous with knives.....guns in murders and armed robberies rank third here,.....knives are #1 Guns can be like plane crashes,....a lot in a single event.....but cars take more,....just a few at a time.
3. Okay, lets try someone other than the USA. Try Colombia....no right to bear arms is given,....its easy to look up their laws....yet 3 times the murder rate with guns.....with restrictive legislation?
Colombia, ah you can do better than that Moose
4. And YES, I blame the USA and their drug war for the rise of the cartels and their criminality,....bt I will save that argument for my neighbours to the south.
And hey Aragon..... I would enjoy sitting across from you debating and tossing a few back!
As I said earlier it seems to be a cultural thing Moose and I do respect people's right to bear arms.
But so long as people know that innocent people will be because of this right. There are a lot of responsible gun owners and there is merit in some people owning guns.
Yeah me too Moose, I reckon the craic would be had
Vinny
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lindsyjones: CC where? In England, by golly, Moose just posted about the UK as the third biggest owner of nuclear power CC. Which one would you rather have, the gun? or the nuclear bomb? But of course, we do have it here too.
And the good news is that we do have the ability to move to wherever we think is better..
I will stay here CC. The report that was posted by Conrad proved that we still have a better and safer place than the rest of the world who don't even have the right to bear arms.
And the good news is that we do have the ability to move to wherever we think is better..
I will stay here CC. The report that was posted by Conrad proved that we still have a better and safer place than the rest of the world who don't even have the right to bear arms.
Wow.
You either
A. Did not read the link Lyndsay.
B. Did not comprehend the link.
C. Or are deliberately misleading people about the article.
Which is it ?
Here is the link Conrad posted
Better and safer place than the rest of the world
Ta for the laugh
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JustBrian: history becomes the present when its not learned from.. the biggest abusers of guns in the USA is our very own government.. arming and training terrorist groups in Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria.. an illegal war in Iraq based on a lie. and this is just in the last 15 years.. and people want to give them a total monopoly on violence by making the citizens helpless?? really?? America killed almost 1 million in Iraq alone.. government sponsored murder.. laws like the NDAA that declare it legal for the government to kill its own people without any due process of law.. history is about to repeat its self.. when your own government abuses guns almost daily you just may end up needing one yourself
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Aragorn11: Thanks for posting a link proving that there is a loophole, even if people try to skew the figures
the Loophole is only in the Mind of People who have had their Weapons(Firearms) stolen by their Governments!
Now they want to pass on that Courtesy!
Nowhere else in the Constitution does a 'right' attributed
to 'the people' refer to anything other than an individual
right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the
Constitution that mention 'the people,' the term
unambiguously refers to all members of the political
community, not an unspecified subset... The Second Amendment
extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment
implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and
declares only that it 'shall not be infringed.'
Justice Antonin Scalia (b. 1936)
District of Columbia v. Heller, June 26, 2008
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Absolutely Brian. If ever comes a time and that we need to respond then, I hope it will not be that bloody or else, imagine their power Brian. It is almost given that we, the people are the losers while they, will be the guaranteed victor. yikes.