the right to bear arms (152)
lindsyjones: Now that is the truth, mental incapacity is an illness, which has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. And yes, there has been an improved and rigid laws required in buying a gun. When I first bought my guns in 1982, it was very easy. Not even a background check but recently you can't just buy a gun now without thorough investigation.
Is it not true that you can buy a vast range of guns at gun fairs without background checks ?
Mental incapacity is a huge factor in this but a persons mental health can change very quickly.
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you all got it Bassackward!
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lindsyjones: Now that is the truth, mental incapacity is an illness, which has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. And yes, there has been an improved and rigid laws required in buying a gun. When I first bought my guns in 1982, it was very easy. Not even a background check but recently you can't just buy a gun now without thorough investigation.
That's not true. A thorough background check is ideal but the problem is gun shops and gun fairs are rushing the purchase through for the sale which means the authorities don't even see the paperwork for the investigation. "The dog ate it, or it was lost in the mail".
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Aragorn11: Is it not true that you can buy a vast range of guns at gun fairs without background checks ?
Mental incapacity is a huge factor in this but a persons mental health can change very quickly.
Mental incapacity is a huge factor in this but a persons mental health can change very quickly.
nope,that actually is BullMalarkey!
The Laws apply all the same!
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Nowhere else in the Constitution does a 'right' attributed
to 'the people' refer to anything other than an individual
right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the
Constitution that mention 'the people,' the term
unambiguously refers to all members of the political
community, not an unspecified subset... The Second Amendment
extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment
implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and
declares only that it 'shall not be infringed.'
Justice Antonin Scalia (b. 1936)
District of Columbia v. Heller, June 26, 2008
MOLON LABE!
to 'the people' refer to anything other than an individual
right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the
Constitution that mention 'the people,' the term
unambiguously refers to all members of the political
community, not an unspecified subset... The Second Amendment
extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment
implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and
declares only that it 'shall not be infringed.'
Justice Antonin Scalia (b. 1936)
District of Columbia v. Heller, June 26, 2008
MOLON LABE!
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Conrad73: Nowhere else in the Constitution does a 'right' attributed
to 'the people' refer to anything other than an individual
right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the
Constitution that mention 'the people,' the term
unambiguously refers to all members of the political
community, not an unspecified subset... The Second Amendment
extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment
implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and
declares only that it 'shall not be infringed.'
Justice Antonin Scalia (b. 1936)
District of Columbia v. Heller, June 26, 2008
MOLON LABE!
to 'the people' refer to anything other than an individual
right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the
Constitution that mention 'the people,' the term
unambiguously refers to all members of the political
community, not an unspecified subset... The Second Amendment
extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment
implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and
declares only that it 'shall not be infringed.'
Justice Antonin Scalia (b. 1936)
District of Columbia v. Heller, June 26, 2008
MOLON LABE!
Thanks for the information Conrad.
I was also reading about the discrepancy of this comparison is due to the big difference in the reporting system. In other words it looks like there are so many gun related crime committed in other countries which are not reported.
But if you're familiar with the OECD, you'll immediately notice a problem with the list Fisher uses. Mexico is an OECD country. So why is Mexico not in this graph? Well, it's pretty apparent that Mexico was left off the list because to do so would interfere with the point Fisher is trying to make. After all, Mexico — in spite of much more restrictive gun laws — has a murder rate many times larger than the US.
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secretagent09: That's not true. A thorough background check is ideal but the problem is gun shops and gun fairs are rushing the purchase through for the sale which means the authorities don't even see the paperwork for the investigation. "The dog ate it, or it was lost in the mail".
I don't know how true that is but as far as my experience, they do get a very involved investigation and it is so difficult now compared to when I first bought a gun in 1982.
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sure hope those knee-jerking Hoplophobes have a good Orthopedic Surgeon!
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Aragorn11: Is it not true that you can buy a vast range of guns at gun fairs without background checks ?
Mental incapacity is a huge factor in this but a persons mental health can change very quickly.
Mental incapacity is a huge factor in this but a persons mental health can change very quickly.
It used to be in the early part of the 80s but not anymore. Even at gun fairs they do not issue the gun you bought right away, you have to wait until the background check is finished.
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Aragorn11: Nope, never said the US was to blame for that Moose, not sure where that came from
Comparing other ways people can be murdered really does not help. Anyone brandishing a knife going into a school is going to be taken out before they can kill 10/15/20 people. Comparing murder rates for guns against knives/baseball bats etc is ludicrous in my opinion.
Listen, in the US its a cultural thing and ingrained in people this right to bear arms and I respect that. I really do.
But because of your gun laws innocent people are killed, at a higher rate than in other so called civilised societies.
Thats the price thats paid, unfortunately.
Comparing other ways people can be murdered really does not help. Anyone brandishing a knife going into a school is going to be taken out before they can kill 10/15/20 people. Comparing murder rates for guns against knives/baseball bats etc is ludicrous in my opinion.
Listen, in the US its a cultural thing and ingrained in people this right to bear arms and I respect that. I really do.
But because of your gun laws innocent people are killed, at a higher rate than in other so called civilised societies.
Thats the price thats paid, unfortunately.
1. Reason I stated Central and South America was that certain countries there have a FAR higher ratio of gun murders per 100.000 capita than does the USA.
2. LOL! Really,....check out the stats for Canada,....we are REAL dangerous with knives.....guns in murders and armed robberies rank third here,.....knives are #1 Guns can be like plane crashes,....a lot in a single event.....but cars take more,....just a few at a time.
3. Okay, lets try someone other than the USA. Try Colombia....no right to bear arms is given,....its easy to look up their laws....yet 3 times the murder rate with guns.....with restrictive legislation?
4. And YES, I blame the USA and their drug war for the rise of the cartels and their criminality,....bt I will save that argument for my neighbours to the south.
And hey Aragon.....
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Da_Moose: 1. Reason I stated Central and South America was that certain countries there have a FAR higher ratio of gun murders per 100.000 capita than does the USA.
2. LOL! Really,....check out the stats for Canada,....we are REAL dangerous with knives.....guns in murders and armed robberies rank third here,.....knives are #1 Guns can be like plane crashes,....a lot in a single event.....but cars take more,....just a few at a time.
3. Okay, lets try someone other than the USA. Try Colombia....no right to bear arms is given,....its easy to look up their laws....yet 3 times the murder rate with guns.....with restrictive legislation?
4. And YES, I blame the USA and their drug war for the rise of the cartels and their criminality,....bt I will save that argument for my neighbours to the south.
And hey Aragon..... I would enjoy sitting across from you debating and tossing a few back!
2. LOL! Really,....check out the stats for Canada,....we are REAL dangerous with knives.....guns in murders and armed robberies rank third here,.....knives are #1 Guns can be like plane crashes,....a lot in a single event.....but cars take more,....just a few at a time.
3. Okay, lets try someone other than the USA. Try Colombia....no right to bear arms is given,....its easy to look up their laws....yet 3 times the murder rate with guns.....with restrictive legislation?
4. And YES, I blame the USA and their drug war for the rise of the cartels and their criminality,....bt I will save that argument for my neighbours to the south.
And hey Aragon..... I would enjoy sitting across from you debating and tossing a few back!
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lindsyjones: Thanks for the information Conrad.
I was also reading about the discrepancy of this comparison is due to the big difference in the reporting system. In other words it looks like there are so many gun related crime committed in other countries which are not reported.
But if you're familiar with the OECD, you'll immediately notice a problem with the list Fisher uses. Mexico is an OECD country. So why is Mexico not in this graph? Well, it's pretty apparent that Mexico was left off the list because to do so would interfere with the point Fisher is trying to make. After all, Mexico — in spite of much more restrictive gun laws — has a murder rate many times larger than the US.
I was also reading about the discrepancy of this comparison is due to the big difference in the reporting system. In other words it looks like there are so many gun related crime committed in other countries which are not reported.
But if you're familiar with the OECD, you'll immediately notice a problem with the list Fisher uses. Mexico is an OECD country. So why is Mexico not in this graph? Well, it's pretty apparent that Mexico was left off the list because to do so would interfere with the point Fisher is trying to make. After all, Mexico — in spite of much more restrictive gun laws — has a murder rate many times larger than the US.
The above note was extracted from Conrad's post.
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lindsyjones: Moose, thanks for that argument. I indeed used to own 12 acres and it was empowering to have my gun with me for protection and then bought a house in the City and boy hazard for criminals was worst. I haven't used it yet and hopefully will never use it, but having it with me for protection which is the biggest argument for the pro here is legitimate.
If I lived in a country where I felt I needed a gun to protect myself
I would move to a more civilised country.
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pedro27: water guns are best
What about painting guns I need to get one of those to "
My children have agreed to take me "out" (paying the fine) if I get caught.
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bodleing2: If I lived in a country where I felt I needed a gun to protect myself I would move to a more civilised country.
Technically,...as a NUCLEAR power, you have no need.....we less civil members of the planet still use less technologically barbaric weapons,....
No offence intended fellow Commonwealther
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Da_Moose: Technically,...as a NUCLEAR power, you have no need.....we less civil members of the planet still use less technologically barbaric weapons,....
No offence intended fellow Commonwealther
No offence intended fellow Commonwealther
Video blocked in my country, think I'll move to Canada...
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Aragorn11: Apologies Moose, just seen you were from Canada.
Not sure about the gun laws in Canada.
Not sure about the gun laws in Canada.
Not a problem good sir! This is but another CS debate and discussion that will not effect global policy in any way, shape or form! LOL! Our new Prime Minister has already pulled our fighter aircraft out of the Middle East.....we Canucks really do LOVE peace....until pushed....------ This thread is Archived ------
lifeisadream: What about painting guns I need to get one of those to "shoot paint" political propaganda next year!!!
My children have agreed to take me "out" (paying the fine) if I get caught.
My children have agreed to take me "out" (paying the fine) if I get caught.
It sure would be fun to have your children with you, isn't it?
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GUN SHOW LOOPHOLES
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Not sure about the gun laws in Canada.