Muslims are NOT Moderate: Western Muslims Admit the Truth (62)
TheRedSquirrel87: Diversity is the one that makes me laugh. You could say we export democracy and human rights through globalisation, but diversity? No. Diversity is a mirage and whoever uses it the most almost always seem to be a lemming. Our diverse global world is one of 7 billion consumers eating, buying, doing and believing more or less the same thing. It's anything but actually diverse.
If diversity was an actual motive we'd leave Islam alone and in tact warts n all. We would not want to sanitise islam because we can't face one part of the earth being that much different to our part of the earth. In practice we don't care at all about diversity and that's we why we want to mix everyone together and remove all barriers between people. Unity and sameness as defined by white consumer-liberals is what is trying to be built by globalisation and the problem is that if easy living consumer society fails then the underlying unnatural mixings of people will lead to strife and oppression. Tolerance comes easy when it's easy to eat, but if life in liberal society ever gets tough, then it'll burst into pieces like a frog.
If diversity was an actual motive we'd leave Islam alone and in tact warts n all. We would not want to sanitise islam because we can't face one part of the earth being that much different to our part of the earth. In practice we don't care at all about diversity and that's we why we want to mix everyone together and remove all barriers between people. Unity and sameness as defined by white consumer-liberals is what is trying to be built by globalisation and the problem is that if easy living consumer society fails then the underlying unnatural mixings of people will lead to strife and oppression. Tolerance comes easy when it's easy to eat, but if life in liberal society ever gets tough, then it'll burst into pieces like a frog.
A society has a certain reserve of grace under pressure and the less homogeneous the society is the lower its reserve of grace under pressure. For example in the real world the USA doesn't have too many problems, no way near the problems that it's had in the past, and yet it may very well elect a lunatic next election because their melting pot is a paranoid wreck with no grace under pressure.
Even with all their money they're still quite mad: Lindsy, within moments of getting home from a plush cruise where she was first on the boat is doom merchandising the muslim debate... she has every reason to display grace under pressure, yet exhibits none. Why?
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rizlared: What some people are doing is trying to group everyone under the name islam, rather like saying everyone who believes in the God spoken about in the Bible is a Catholic.
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
Riz the problem is the origin of Islam....The prophet Muhammad was not a peaceful man and he was a warrior.... With his hallucinations he claimed he heard a voice.... it was an angel? Now, all miracles have to be proven, an extraordinary supernatural phenomena, or a real miracle. How can anyone know it was an angel? It can be a devil? During that time, he convinced followers and created this belief. .. but religion was spread through violence. Christians believe in Christ but they don't subscribe to killing. Those who were violent were the zealots or those who believe in war. Now in our democratic world, no religion should be a cover for assault, killing and murder or terrorism.
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JoyCrest: Indeed, there are no moderate Muslims.... those peaceful Muslims according to the Quran principle are hypocrites.... so they can also be eliminated. Islam is the only religion who requires killing.... even Satanism does not ask it's followers to kill anyone. They just worship themselves or maybe Satan!!
They used people to kill and to cheer up on killings of a targeted victims then put the blames on the real victims and to claim themselves as the sole victims and forced us to believe that they are the victims than the real victims.
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rizlared: What some people are doing is trying to group everyone under the name islam, rather like saying everyone who believes in the God spoken about in the Bible is a Catholic.
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
Of course we can not tolerate any criminal of any religion Riz...
But that is not the point here. The massive difference between Christians and Muslims is that a Muslim will never betray his inner belief no matter where he lives and what he says and acts like. You can be sure that a Muslim will never say he is an atheist...
It doesn't make them a potential terrorists but that is not the problem too. Their power comes from the belief that their way is the best way, they will not kill you but they will impose their will on you and change your life so it serves their belief...
It might sound harsh but it is like a body that hosts a parasite, the body will be soon sacrificed for the needs of the parasites.
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TheRedSquirrel87: Diversity is the one that makes me laugh. You could say we export democracy and human rights through globalisation, but diversity? No. Diversity is a mirage and whoever uses it the most almost always seem to be a lemming. Our diverse global world is one of 7 billion consumers eating, buying, doing and believing more or less the same thing. It's anything but actually diverse.
If diversity was an actual motive we'd leave Islam alone and in tact warts n all. We would not want to sanitise islam because we can't face one part of the earth being that much different to our part of the earth. In practice we don't care at all about diversity and that's we why we want to mix everyone together and remove all barriers between people. Unity and sameness as defined by white consumer-liberals is what is trying to be built by globalisation and the problem is that if easy living consumer society fails then the underlying unnatural mixings of people will lead to strife and oppression. Tolerance comes easy when it's easy to eat, but if life in liberal society ever gets tough, then it'll burst into pieces like a frog.
If diversity was an actual motive we'd leave Islam alone and in tact warts n all. We would not want to sanitise islam because we can't face one part of the earth being that much different to our part of the earth. In practice we don't care at all about diversity and that's we why we want to mix everyone together and remove all barriers between people. Unity and sameness as defined by white consumer-liberals is what is trying to be built by globalisation and the problem is that if easy living consumer society fails then the underlying unnatural mixings of people will lead to strife and oppression. Tolerance comes easy when it's easy to eat, but if life in liberal society ever gets tough, then it'll burst into pieces like a frog.
Actually, liberalism grew out of the Great Depression and Roosevelt. It was a way of the masses surviving and prevented communism from taking control of the nation.
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Stringman,
thank you for sharing video of 'What is Taqiyya?"
thank you for sharing video of 'What is Taqiyya?"
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rizlared: What some people are doing is trying to group everyone under the name islam, rather like saying everyone who believes in the God spoken about in the Bible is a Catholic.
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion
The secular basis for human rights is more faithful to humanity than religious justifications.
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KremaP: Of course we can not tolerate any criminal of any religion Riz...
But that is not the point here. The massive difference between Christians and Muslims is that a Muslim will never betray his inner belief no matter where he lives and what he says and acts like. You can be sure that a Muslim will never say he is an atheist...
It doesn't make them a potential terrorists but that is not the problem too. Their power comes from the belief that their way is the best way, they will not kill you but they will impose their will on you and change your life so it serves their belief...
It might sound harsh but it is like a body that hosts a parasite, the body will be soon sacrificed for the needs of the parasites.
Personally I think that religion should be a very private matter and no religion should dominate...but the only religion that we do have a problem that wants to dominate is Islam.But that is not the point here. The massive difference between Christians and Muslims is that a Muslim will never betray his inner belief no matter where he lives and what he says and acts like. You can be sure that a Muslim will never say he is an atheist...
It doesn't make them a potential terrorists but that is not the problem too. Their power comes from the belief that their way is the best way, they will not kill you but they will impose their will on you and change your life so it serves their belief...
It might sound harsh but it is like a body that hosts a parasite, the body will be soon sacrificed for the needs of the parasites.
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123whisper: Stringman,
thank you for sharing video of 'What is Taqiyya?"
thank you for sharing video of 'What is Taqiyya?"
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS! MARCHING AS IF TO WAR !!
How many christian sects believe everyone but them is doomed to eternal hell.
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A major goal of ISIS is get the Western world to believe all muslims are with them.
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123whisper: I like to call it Islamic apartheid and every free mind spirit will reject to live in such chains of dictatorship obedient dogma.
What?
Then there is great freedom that you can be part of.
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123whisper: Islamophobia,is much like bigotry aimed in the past at Irish and Italians and countless other groups who eventually were integrated nicely into American society, with one key difference: None of those groups had a visible subgroup that claimed to speak for the larger group and which threatened to destroy America and the larger West.
So why most western countries fears of Islamisation as very real threat that will destroy host countries ?
"Moderate Muslims" spend a great deal of time claiming that any discrimination against Muslims is unwarranted,but it might make a big difference if 'moderate Muslim' spend a little more time discriminating against the fundamentalists who quietly support the murderous nihilism of the violent extremists...
Progressives Muslim or if you like to call them 'moderate Muslim' tend to sit quietly at the dinner table when their fundo-fanatic uncle or mother rages about the evils of the West. Then, the progressives may go out to a bar and lead secret lives away from the fundos.
The simple truth is that the progressives’ self-serving silence has emboldened the fundos to believe that there is a fundo consensus within their own communities, whether they be in Michigan, England or Pakistan — a fundo consensus that blurs the line between sharia and secular democracy, between ordinary political grievances and violent struggle.
So why most western countries fears of Islamisation as very real threat that will destroy host countries ?
"Moderate Muslims" spend a great deal of time claiming that any discrimination against Muslims is unwarranted,but it might make a big difference if 'moderate Muslim' spend a little more time discriminating against the fundamentalists who quietly support the murderous nihilism of the violent extremists...
Progressives Muslim or if you like to call them 'moderate Muslim' tend to sit quietly at the dinner table when their fundo-fanatic uncle or mother rages about the evils of the West. Then, the progressives may go out to a bar and lead secret lives away from the fundos.
The simple truth is that the progressives’ self-serving silence has emboldened the fundos to believe that there is a fundo consensus within their own communities, whether they be in Michigan, England or Pakistan — a fundo consensus that blurs the line between sharia and secular democracy, between ordinary political grievances and violent struggle.
Thea my darling it's only now that I have read your most erudite explanation
Thanks for this thread.
In simplicity just because there's so many good muslim , roughly 1 billion and the very few accounts to about 3 percent is enough to kill all of us if we let them. The truth is we don't blanket the claim as such and is causing a lot of uproar because then we undermine the real conflict.
I love your explanation here and I can tell you this attitude of contempt given to us by those who served the needs of the good ones are outright wrong. Now what assurance do we have that deep inside of them they will stand up against these terrorism claimed to credit with the same religion they belong to? San Bernardino is an example.
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123whisper: I have met many nice people of Muslim religion and of course that I do not see all of them as terrorist but I don't see them as friend of democracy ether.
You couldn't have explained in more simplistic way my dearest Thea.
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kaetchenvonhn: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/islamophobia.aspx"Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more than they are supposed to know about Islam.
Islamophobia is an allegedly irrational fear of losing life or liberty to Islamic rule merely because the laws, sacred texts, and traditional practices of Islam demand the submission of culture, politics, religion and all social expression. It tends to afflict those most familiar with the religion while sparing the more gullible.
Unlike Infidelophobia (Quranically-inspired hatred and fear of non-Muslims - see 4:101), Islamophobia doesn't involve dead bodies. But bruised Muslim feelings, according to the teachings of the faith, are more important than the lives of infidels.
The word "Islamophobia" literally means a fear of Islam, but since Allah himself "throws terror into the hearts of disbelievers" (Quran 8:12) it is used more often in reference to the rejection of Islam."
Islamophobia is an allegedly irrational fear of losing life or liberty to Islamic rule merely because the laws, sacred texts, and traditional practices of Islam demand the submission of culture, politics, religion and all social expression. It tends to afflict those most familiar with the religion while sparing the more gullible.
Unlike Infidelophobia (Quranically-inspired hatred and fear of non-Muslims - see 4:101), Islamophobia doesn't involve dead bodies. But bruised Muslim feelings, according to the teachings of the faith, are more important than the lives of infidels.
The word "Islamophobia" literally means a fear of Islam, but since Allah himself "throws terror into the hearts of disbelievers" (Quran 8:12) it is used more often in reference to the rejection of Islam."
Then I have the right and reserve that right to be islamophobic!
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TheRedSquirrel87: A fight with them is what we really don't want. Our economy and military are leagues above theirs but we'll never truly defeat them because their faith is greater than our faith and their will is stronger than our will. They can stomach any blow aimed at them and come back for more time and time again because they see themselves as destiny. We're the opposite of destiny: we are live for the moment and our will would break if petrol goes up by a few pence or our supply of Ben & Jerry's gets interrupted. We've got all the fancy things and the firepower but we don't have any capacity to endure. We are the glass cannon.
While there are are substancial truth on this Obs I do know we can last for the need of endurance. I wouldn't undermine our ability to annihilate them that terrorize the West as I'm sure it's just a matter of when it will take place.
Having said that there's a possibility that it will end our world as we know it. I hope the moderate muslims will join us an declare how bigoted these religion is that's being used to kill others.
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kaetchenvonhn: No, I personally don't believe in "moderate islam". There is no such thing as moderate in islam. Moderate islam is only created by those who think they are moslems but did not carry out what Koran taught them to do.
Jihadis are not Radical"What Would Muhammad Do
Here’s yet another perspective. If Muhammad were alive today, and we could ask him: “Who are the Radical- Muslims?” he would never name the jihadis. He would point his sword at what the western world mistakenly calls, Good-Muslims. He then would call these Jack-Muslims to repentance, or collect their heads. If our next question of Muhammad was: “Who then do you call Good-Muslims?” He would smile and then embrace the blood soaked soldiers of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Loan-Wolf attackers, along with every other militant Islamic group. When viewed against the yardstick of What-Would-Mohammad-Do, these terrorists are neither radical or bad. They are the Good-Muslims. Our problem is that Good-Muslims are terrible human beings."
Jihadis are not Radical"What Would Muhammad Do
Here’s yet another perspective. If Muhammad were alive today, and we could ask him: “Who are the Radical- Muslims?” he would never name the jihadis. He would point his sword at what the western world mistakenly calls, Good-Muslims. He then would call these Jack-Muslims to repentance, or collect their heads. If our next question of Muhammad was: “Who then do you call Good-Muslims?” He would smile and then embrace the blood soaked soldiers of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Loan-Wolf attackers, along with every other militant Islamic group. When viewed against the yardstick of What-Would-Mohammad-Do, these terrorists are neither radical or bad. They are the Good-Muslims. Our problem is that Good-Muslims are terrible human beings."
You couldn't have said it any better my dear Kaet. The way I look at it the so called good muslims are not really what muhammad wanted to breed.
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123whisper: I like to call it Islamic apartheid and every free mind spirit will reject to live in such chains of dictatorship obedient dogma.
I have a better solution why can't these muslims reject the whole religion based on its bad teachings?
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sophiasummer: What?
Then there is great freedom that you can be part of.
Then there is great freedom that you can be part of.
Oppression is hidden in the lies and the agreed myth of it's conqueror...so this thread is about myth of moderate muslims that needs understanding ...
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lindsyjones: You couldn't have explained in more simplistic way my dearest Thea.
Thank you my dear Lindsy for contributing to this thread that has only intention to understand what is myth and what is the fact. Oppression always creeps up insidiously,step by step...When any goverment,or any religion undertakes to say to citizen's:what you see - you are forbidden to to talk about ... no matter how noble,honourable,holy the motives are...the end result is oppression and loos of freedom. ..but person who's mind is free can't be conquered,no matter what one can do to body.
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What some people are doing is trying to group everyone under the name islam, rather like saying everyone who believes in the God spoken about in the Bible is a Catholic.
Islam, like Christianity, has many branches, some good some evil.
So by the logic shown in this thread, A Catholic priest who abuses a child is no different than a baptist minister, or a Jewish Rabbi, whereas the intelligent can separate them apart.
The basic fact is, Any extremism is bad, whatever the belief, faith or religion