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123whisperMelbourne, Victoria Australia13 Threads 2 Polls 2,116 Poststomcatwarne: Ok I am thinking the same way as you then
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Tinypaws: You are correct in this, but other Arab nations have. Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, all hold huge numbers of refugees. These are nations truly overwhelmed with this human crisis, while the super rich others there don't want to know.
However, don't mistake Islam for one religion. It's just like with Christianity, differing groups. Catholics and protestants have killed each other in the past.
Additionally, many of the Arabic countries struggle as is, and to take many others in could aid unrests, and these are developments which we should fear just as much.
It is a terrible mess and a human tragedy, and no easy solution in sight, yet hate is definitely the worst of all possible options, always has been.
Remembering Ireland being in conflict with English...However, don't mistake Islam for one religion. It's just like with Christianity, differing groups. Catholics and protestants have killed each other in the past.
Additionally, many of the Arabic countries struggle as is, and to take many others in could aid unrests, and these are developments which we should fear just as much.
It is a terrible mess and a human tragedy, and no easy solution in sight, yet hate is definitely the worst of all possible options, always has been.
I doubt that any of that has to do much with religion.
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Tinypaws: Have you actually read what that journalist says, a man who was an IS hostage for many months?
By treating people badly, running their religion down, you turn them into your enemies where they could have been your allies. The ordinary Muslim doesn't support IS. However, by treating them like dirt, you are aiding the radicals.
I might not be the most social creature, but when I do interact with people, I have found kindness and respect opens hearts and minds.
Obviously not when dealing with fanatics and psychopaths, but the ordinary Muslim out there, is neither of those, we really need to remember that.Yes, they will strike while the countries are at turmoil, to aid hate and prejudice. It's hardly that they think killing 10 or even 60 people, makes a dent into our population numbers. But each act of terror aids their agenda of division.
By treating people badly, running their religion down, you turn them into your enemies where they could have been your allies. The ordinary Muslim doesn't support IS. However, by treating them like dirt, you are aiding the radicals.
I might not be the most social creature, but when I do interact with people, I have found kindness and respect opens hearts and minds.
Obviously not when dealing with fanatics and psychopaths, but the ordinary Muslim out there, is neither of those, we really need to remember that.Yes, they will strike while the countries are at turmoil, to aid hate and prejudice. It's hardly that they think killing 10 or even 60 people, makes a dent into our population numbers. But each act of terror aids their agenda of division.
Yes, I read what journalists say and they said there were messages on his phone of him swearing his faithfulness to ISIS.
I think you should stop imposing your fiction book stories into the reality and realise that the ideology and phycology of war is not for everyone to understand.
The Love "religion" is a nice hippy element but have no use in the way circle of life works.
Very soon more people will be killed on the streets of Europe than in the war zones, and that will be thanks to people who think like you.
There is nothing unnatural and inhuman to want and preserve your own peace, identity and future. We are not responsible for every single refugee on the planet.
When you believe you do good many times it proves to be actually wrong...
I am afraid you will never want to see the matter from the other angle...
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123whisper: Every reasonable person wouldn't risk it, but liberals don't care to commit collective suicide of their own nations.
I'd say any person with brain won't risk it...
It is like entering the enclosure of a lion and just because you don't mean any harm to it, you expect to get the same in return...
The liberals forget that most of the people they pity actually hate their superiority attitude...
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123whisper: Remembering Ireland being in conflict with English...
I doubt that any of that has to do much with religion.
I doubt that any of that has to do much with religion.
No, some was done in the name of religion, but like all conflicts people use ideology and religion as excuse for greed and power. Some people seen it as a Catholic v Protestant conflict but it was more about power, greed and control.
Religion never killed anyone, people do.
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123whisper: How come you're profile states as you live in Ireland ?
I guess you must be very rich to take refugees with you from Germany to Ireland to look after them.
I would take in my home only non-Muslims who are real victims in Syria...and who are afraid of threats from muslim refugees in Europe.
I guess you must be very rich to take refugees with you from Germany to Ireland to look after them.
I would take in my home only non-Muslims who are real victims in Syria...and who are afraid of threats from muslim refugees in Europe.
Are you Australian national, or have you moved there?
I have moved to Ireland. What are you on about taking refugees with me? I said while I was living in Germany I registered my back then German home as willing to house refuges in need of shelter, if need be, and that I would register my now Irish home as well, should there be a call for that.
123whisper: Remembering Ireland being in conflict with English...
I doubt that any of that has to do much with religion.
I doubt that any of that has to do much with religion.
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
This is still celebrated in England today, in memory of 5th of November 1605, when Catholic 'terrorists' tried to blow up the House of Lords. It was about the brutal oppression of Catholic believers, surprise surprise, by others calling themselves Christians too, as well as of course politics, which led to that terrorist plot.
Modern celebrations still see bonfires, sometimes burning effigies, meant to represent Guy Fawkes. A bit barbaric, really.. imagining the background of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
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Liberals 
I find people who use labels do so for their own justification and helps their intellect, or lack of, to justify their own beliefs and arguments.
It bears no relation to what the person is, as we are all different, thankfully, and can be conservative in some things and liberal in others. Many layers to human beings thankfully.
I find people who use labels do so for their own justification and helps their intellect, or lack of, to justify their own beliefs and arguments.
It bears no relation to what the person is, as we are all different, thankfully, and can be conservative in some things and liberal in others. Many layers to human beings thankfully.
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KremaP: Yes, I read what journalists say and they said there were messages on his phone of him swearing his faithfulness to ISIS.
I think you should stop imposing your fiction book stories into the reality and realise that the ideology and phycology of war is not for everyone to understand.
The Love "religion" is a nice hippy element but have no use in the way circle of life works.
Very soon more people will be killed on the streets of Europe than in the war zones, and that will be thanks to people who think like you.
There is nothing unnatural and inhuman to want and preserve your own peace, identity and future. We are not responsible for every single refugee on the planet.
When you believe you do good many times it proves to be actually wrong...
I am afraid you will never want to see the matter from the other angle...
I think you should stop imposing your fiction book stories into the reality and realise that the ideology and phycology of war is not for everyone to understand.
The Love "religion" is a nice hippy element but have no use in the way circle of life works.
Very soon more people will be killed on the streets of Europe than in the war zones, and that will be thanks to people who think like you.
There is nothing unnatural and inhuman to want and preserve your own peace, identity and future. We are not responsible for every single refugee on the planet.
When you believe you do good many times it proves to be actually wrong...
I am afraid you will never want to see the matter from the other angle...
I wish you all the best with your ideology of hate in return. You are playing right into IS's hands
As for from what angle I view this all, I have a feeling you have still not grasped my angle, only ever reading from my posts what you wish, but hey it's okay, let the world burn, Christian or Muslim, we shouldn't really worry, should we? God will forgive us all...
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Tinypaws: Are you Australian national, or have you moved there?
I have moved to Ireland. What are you on about taking refugees with me? I said while I was living in Germany I registered my back then German home as willing to house refuges in need of shelter, if need be, and that I would register my now Irish home as well, should there be a call for that.
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
This is still celebrated in England today, in memory of 5th of November 1605, when Catholic 'terrorists' tried to blow up the House of Lords. It was about the brutal oppression of Catholic believers, surprise surprise, by others calling themselves Christians too, as well as of course politics, which led to that terrorist plot.
Modern celebrations still see bonfires, sometimes burning effigies, meant to represent Guy Fawkes. A bit barbaric, really.. imagining the background of it all.
I have moved to Ireland. What are you on about taking refugees with me? I said while I was living in Germany I registered my back then German home as willing to house refuges in need of shelter, if need be, and that I would register my now Irish home as well, should there be a call for that.
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
This is still celebrated in England today, in memory of 5th of November 1605, when Catholic 'terrorists' tried to blow up the House of Lords. It was about the brutal oppression of Catholic believers, surprise surprise, by others calling themselves Christians too, as well as of course politics, which led to that terrorist plot.
Modern celebrations still see bonfires, sometimes burning effigies, meant to represent Guy Fawkes. A bit barbaric, really.. imagining the background of it all.
But its a cultural thing ! and should be respected
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Aragorn11: No, some was done in the name of religion, but like all conflicts people use ideology and religion as excuse for greed and power. Some people seen it as a Catholic v Protestant conflict but it was more about power, greed and control.
Religion never killed anyone, people do.
Religion never killed anyone, people do.
I agree with you.
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Tinypaws: I wish you all the best with your ideology of hate in return. You are playing right into IS's hands
As for from what angle I view this all, I have a feeling you have still not grasped my angle, only ever reading from my posts what you wish, but hey it's okay, let the world burn, Christian or Muslim, we shouldn't really worry, should we? God will forgive us all...
As for from what angle I view this all, I have a feeling you have still not grasped my angle, only ever reading from my posts what you wish, but hey it's okay, let the world burn, Christian or Muslim, we shouldn't really worry, should we? God will forgive us all...
I think you'd need luck more then me.
I just happen to know a bit more than the average newspaper reader...
When you don't understand some matters it's wise not to make conclusions...
I know it's impossible, and not trying to make you understand...
It's not Christians vs Muslims, don't be so tight in your views...it's way beyond it, and the greed and money are not involved too...
But many people are made to believe it is that way...and it's pity they fall for it...
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Aragorn11: But its a cultural thing ! and should be respected
Of course!
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KremaP: I think you'd need luck more then me.
I just happen to know a bit more than the average newspaper reader...
When you don't understand some matters it's wise not to make conclusions...
I know it's impossible, and not trying to make you understand...
It's not Christians vs Muslims, don't be so tight in your views...it's way beyond it, and the greed and money are not involved too...
But many people are made to believe it is that way...and it's pity they fall for it...
I just happen to know a bit more than the average newspaper reader...
When you don't understand some matters it's wise not to make conclusions...
I know it's impossible, and not trying to make you understand...
It's not Christians vs Muslims, don't be so tight in your views...it's way beyond it, and the greed and money are not involved too...
But many people are made to believe it is that way...and it's pity they fall for it...
So it's not about Muslims now? And not about genetically violent Arabs?
I actually never felt it was about Muslims, Christians, nor about 'money'.
But lets not go there, shhhhhh......
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rebel2: Okay, lets say that tomorrow every western country closes its borders and no more Muslims are allowed in. What do the countries do with the millions of Muslims already in the west? Including those that have lived in the west for generations.
Round every Muslim up and ship them out? Best of luck with that one!
The "problem" will not go away. Both cultures are and will always be so far removed from each other, and the current crisis only fuels the differences.
What is the answer? I have no idea.
Round every Muslim up and ship them out? Best of luck with that one!
The "problem" will not go away. Both cultures are and will always be so far removed from each other, and the current crisis only fuels the differences.
What is the answer? I have no idea.
Ship them off to Africa and ME would be the best solution, but i agree with you - no chance western weaklings will do that.
So, if we cannot get rid of the onese here - at least stop accepting more.
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Tinypaws: So it's not about Muslims now? And not about genetically violent Arabs?
I actually never felt it was about Muslims, Christians, nor about 'money'.
But lets not go there, shhhhhh......
I actually never felt it was about Muslims, Christians, nor about 'money'.
But lets not go there, shhhhhh......
Well, Tiny,
religion is man made, but if you want to laugh about the mentality and genes of Arabs I'd suggest do your homework first.
I am tired of repeating it but when one has years of close observations and harsh experience it's a bit boring to explain to people who never had any, simply doesn't work.
Questioning one's intellectual capacity when you disagree with his knowledge is, how to put it nicely...stupid...
I am not here to change your views, thank God there are professional who know what they are doing, and not wishful thinking amateurs...
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Tinypaws: So it's not about Muslims now? And not about genetically violent Arabs?
I actually never felt it was about Muslims, Christians, nor about 'money'.
But lets not go there, shhhhhh......
I actually never felt it was about Muslims, Christians, nor about 'money'.
But lets not go there, shhhhhh......
Wasn't it you mentioning low IQ of these people coming to Europe?
Doesn't research also prove that males in some races have higher testosteron levels, if I remember correctly there is a 15% difference, can it explain anything?
And no, your posts equating christianity and islam are aonly valid if the past is compared to the present. Otherwise, bringing in Christianity issues into present day Europe is ridiculous - Europeans are mostly secular with their roots in Christinity - so BS religion!
As Bill Naher said last night:
We shouldn't stand by those who want to live in the 7th century, but those who want to live in the 21st!
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The religion of peace seems to have gone for an outing again in France folks.
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Has anyone sparred a thought for the poor victims in this terror attack or is this another thread slandering different races & religions because of a few icolated individuals?
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123whisper: ...or branding people 'bigots'
I guess certain people here are entitled to use whatever branding they want
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KremaP: Well, Tiny,
religion is man made, but if you want to laugh about the mentality and genes of Arabs I'd suggest do your homework first.
I am tired of repeating it but when one has years of close observations and harsh experience it's a bit boring to explain to people who never had any, simply doesn't work.
Questioning one's intellectual capacity when you disagree with his knowledge is, how to put it nicely...stupid...
I am not here to change your views, thank God there are professional who know what they are doing, and not wishful thinking amateurs...
religion is man made, but if you want to laugh about the mentality and genes of Arabs I'd suggest do your homework first.
I am tired of repeating it but when one has years of close observations and harsh experience it's a bit boring to explain to people who never had any, simply doesn't work.
Questioning one's intellectual capacity when you disagree with his knowledge is, how to put it nicely...stupid...
I am not here to change your views, thank God there are professional who know what they are doing, and not wishful thinking amateurs...
Apologies if you felt I questioned your intellectual capacity, but you did come out with some blanket statements. I know people of Arabic origin and find it rather offensive to see them thrown in with radical extremists.
And oh yes, those professionals... Just hope we aren't talking professionals who were telling us there were weapons of mass destruction ready to flatten England
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