epirb: you like the shifty one's , according to the radio that middle eastern who just blew himself up in Germany had failed to get asylum and was to be deported to Bulgaria . I had a funny feeling Merkel would cherry pick the migrants and shift the crook ones on .
They are all shifty... I read his book "My silent war" as a kid, and kept on reading it now and then. As for the Syrian, who had links to ISIS, as it become clear (at least according to our medias) was given a refugee status, therefor a right of free movement in Europe. Yes, he was to be deported to Bulgaria... If there were four terror act committed for weeks in Bulgaria, like it happened in Germany, the Government was going to be forces to resign or send all "refugees" to Merkel...
Tinypaws: And ISIS will be chanting. Amazing that people spreading hate and prejudice, do not see that they are playing right into the hands of the terror. As this journalist says: "What they fear is unity" ...
Tinypaws: “And ISIS will be chanting. Amazing that people spreading hate and prejudice, do not see that they are playing right into the hands of the terror. As this journalist says: "What they fear is unity" ...
KremaP: On a contrary, they enjoy the sheepish attitude and rely on it... What they need is a rough force, cause they only understand that language...
Have you actually read what that journalist says, a man who was an IS hostage for many months?
By treating people badly, running their religion down, you turn them into your enemies where they could have been your allies. The ordinary Muslim doesn't support IS. However, by treating them like dirt, you are aiding the radicals.
I might not be the most social creature, but when I do interact with people, I have found kindness and respect opens hearts and minds. Obviously not when dealing with fanatics and psychopaths, but the ordinary Muslim out there, is neither of those, we really need to remember that.
sophiasummer: The Unity is already amongst them, people that have done and will do lone wolf, have already, committed to a terror group, That group knows.
Who knows what intricate ways they initiate.
1 10 100 1000 10000 1000000 >Remember they will strike while the countries are at turmoil.
Yes, they will strike while the countries are at turmoil, to aid hate and prejudice. It's hardly that they think killing 10 or even 60 people, makes a dent into our population numbers. But each act of terror aids their agenda of division.
Conrad73: could have sworn we were talking about Islam! So,when was the last Crusade into the ME?
BTW,when was the first?
It's hardly just about the Crusades, is it? I mean I am sure the Australian Aborigines and the Native Americans and the Africans have a tale to tell or two about the caring and tolerant attitude of Christians... And we got a 600 years head start on Islam. Think back 600 years into Christianity.
I agree though that earliest Christianity seems to have been all about pacifism, but appears it was probably also about simple living and vegetarianism. None of it survived for very long.
Conrad73: could have sworn we were talking about Islam! So,when was the last Crusade into the ME?
BTW,when was the first?
George Bush used the word crusade for one of his wars , pity he never used the words " just nuked em " still time . Europeans won't have to travel to the next crusade .
Tinypaws: It's hardly just about the Crusades, is it? I mean I am sure the Australian Aborigines and the Native Americans and the Africans have a tale to tell or two about the caring and tolerant attitude of Christians... And we got a 600 years head start on Islam. Think back 600 years into Christianity.
I agree though that earliest Christianity seems to have been all about pacifism, but appears it was probably also about simple living and vegetarianism. None of it survived for very long.
well,Islam is still fighting the Crusades! Listen to them,sometimes! Yep,and Pacifism works so well!
Here is the early Christian Pacifism!
Luke 22:36 ?
New International Version He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Tinypaws: And ISIS will be chanting. Amazing that people spreading hate and prejudice, do not see that they are playing right into the hands of the terror. As this journalist says: "What they fear is unity" ...
Sadly you are right. The more anti muslim propoganda the more ISIS growsS, both numerically and financially. Worrisome times with the rhetoric of Brexit and Trump particularily, where politicians are cashing in on people's fear for their own gain. Just from Brexit alone the attacks against Muslims in the UK has risen exponentially, which just feeds the beast.
When will people actually try to hold to account the politicians that are blatanty lying to us, instead of allowing their blatant lies that feed our insecurities and prejudices ?
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Tinypaws: Have you actually read what that journalist says, a man who was an IS hostage for many months?
By treating people badly, running their religion down, you turn them into your enemies where they could have been your allies. The ordinary Muslim doesn't support IS. However, by treating them like dirt, you are aiding the radicals.
I might not be the most social creature, but when I do interact with people, I have found kindness and respect opens hearts and minds. Obviously not when dealing with fanatics and psychopaths, but the ordinary Muslim out there, is neither of those, we really need to remember that.Yes, they will strike while the countries are at turmoil, to aid hate and prejudice. It's hardly that they think killing 10 or even 60 people, makes a dent into our population numbers. But each act of terror aids their agenda of division.
November 23, 2015
Why the media don't want to talk about Muslim support for 9/11
By Ed Straker
Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump defended comments he made Saturday saying he saw thousands of people in Jersey City, New Jersey cheering when the World Trade Center was destroyed on September 11, 2001.
"There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large Arab populations,” he told George Stephanopoulos today on ABC’s “This Week.” "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down -- as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time."
Let's get back to New Jersey in a moment. It is curious, when the media take on this question, that they carefully skirt the larger issue: did many Muslims in general, worldwide, celebrate the 9/11 terrorist attack? The media did not examine this question because there is a lot of evidence that yes, in fact, many Muslims celebrated all over the world.
In Germany, Muslims celebrated with rockets: Altogether, hundreds of rockets were shooting skyward in celebration, just as most Berliners were searching for words to express their horror.
BEIRUT-- Walking downtown, I realized that the offspring of this great civilization were celebrating a terrorist outrage. And I am not talking about destitute people. Those who were cheering belonged to the elite of the Paris of Middle East: professionals wearing double-breasted suits, charming blond ladies, pretty teenagers in tailored jeans.
A poll of Egyptians: 91% said they supported and rejoiced the attacks of 9/11....
From the suburbs of Washington, DC, a former tenant witnesses the reaction in the Skyline Towers, Pentagon-area apartments popular with Saudi diplomats and Muslim immigrants:
"As the World Trade Center collapsed from the earlier attacks by Hanjour's confederates, residents could be heard rejoicing throughout the complex....
Why the media don't want to talk about Muslim support for 9/11
By Ed Straker
Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump defended comments he made Saturday saying he saw thousands of people in Jersey City, New Jersey cheering when the World Trade Center was destroyed on September 11, 2001.
"There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large Arab populations,” he told George Stephanopoulos today on ABC’s “This Week.” "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down -- as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time."
Let's get back to New Jersey in a moment. It is curious, when the media take on this question, that they carefully skirt the larger issue: did many Muslims in general, worldwide, celebrate the 9/11 terrorist attack? The media did not examine this question because there is a lot of evidence that yes, in fact, many Muslims celebrated all over the world.
In Germany, Muslims celebrated with rockets: Altogether, hundreds of rockets were shooting skyward in celebration, just as most Berliners were searching for words to express their horror.
BEIRUT-- Walking downtown, I realized that the offspring of this great civilization were celebrating a terrorist outrage. And I am not talking about destitute people. Those who were cheering belonged to the elite of the Paris of Middle East: professionals wearing double-breasted suits, charming blond ladies, pretty teenagers in tailored jeans.
A poll of Egyptians: 91% said they supported and rejoiced the attacks of 9/11....
From the suburbs of Washington, DC, a former tenant witnesses the reaction in the Skyline Towers, Pentagon-area apartments popular with Saudi diplomats and Muslim immigrants:
"As the World Trade Center collapsed from the earlier attacks by Hanjour's confederates, residents could be heard rejoicing throughout the complex....
Aragorn11: Sadly you are right. The more anti muslim propoganda the more ISIS growsS, both numerically and financially. Worrisome times with the rhetoric of Brexit and Trump particularily, where politicians are cashing in on people's fear for their own gain. Just from Brexit alone the attacks against Muslims in the UK has risen exponentially, which just feeds the beast.
When will people actually try to hold to account the politicians that are blatanty lying to us, instead of allowing their blatant lies that feed our insecurities and prejudices ?
You are so correct. It is just such a mess, and I fully understand people's fear, and it keeps being fulled by all sides who are trying to gain from it, and fear blows rational thinking out the window.
I still remember David Kelly, I lived in England at the time. Many dark player playing games.. and this man was a scientist, highly respected, not some tin foil wrapped conspiracy theorist.
Islam is only peaceful when they are in the minority... there is no radical Muslims on Muslim.... blasphemy.The real Muslims follow the Qu'ran.
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." Qu'ran 2:191
Muslims believe in 'Taqiyya' - the duty to deceive non-believers for the glory of Allah. You really need to read Qu'ran to understand !!!!
Christians would never celebrate someone else's tragedy.
Well Bush did
The religious rhetoric coming from Bush for the invasion of Iraq was vile. If one was a Muslim listening to that I could see why some would think it was idealogically based.
Lots of people celebrated an illegal invasion that caused people to be killed in their hundreds of thousands.
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They are all shifty...
I read his book "My silent war" as a kid, and kept on reading it now and then.
As for the Syrian, who had links to ISIS, as it become clear (at least according to our medias) was given a refugee status, therefor a right of free movement in Europe.
Yes, he was to be deported to Bulgaria...
If there were four terror act committed for weeks in Bulgaria, like it happened in Germany, the Government was going to be forces to resign or send all "refugees" to Merkel...