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KremaP: Well, Tiny,
all you have said above shows exactly why everybody should mind his own business. The examples you give with America is very good, because what we see happening in this country speaks of how all the mixing doesn't work...
Saying that we are all Humans and we have to love each other is a very nice thing, but in reality it's fiction...
Trying to put in one pot people from different religions, culture, race will sooner than later result in troubles...because you try to equalise them, they won't all respect your culture, religion your land...
It is natural everyone to try and overtake the space...the religion, the culture...
To make everybody live as one when they are different in every aspect is a crime and innocent people die...because of someone's fruitless pushing...
all you have said above shows exactly why everybody should mind his own business. The examples you give with America is very good, because what we see happening in this country speaks of how all the mixing doesn't work...
Saying that we are all Humans and we have to love each other is a very nice thing, but in reality it's fiction...
Trying to put in one pot people from different religions, culture, race will sooner than later result in troubles...because you try to equalise them, they won't all respect your culture, religion your land...
It is natural everyone to try and overtake the space...the religion, the culture...
To make everybody live as one when they are different in every aspect is a crime and innocent people die...because of someone's fruitless pushing...
Yet no use whining about it. I asked you what your solution is, not your view on mixing, that view I know.
Solve it, Krema, solve it for the world! We are all listening...
(well, I might not right now, as I am going to log off)
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tomcatwarne: That's what I figured, turn and run.
Turn and Run
That all you can come up with
1 million people in the UK use soup kitchens.
Lots to do at home with all that money.
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KremaP: Sorry, my mistake...
I am cooking and obviously reading too fast...
I am cooking and obviously reading too fast...
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Tinypaws: All the above.
I feel ill now and think I am going to log. Have a great night still
I feel ill now and think I am going to log. Have a great night still
And you.
Nothing but workmen coming in and out here all day, well waiting for them mostly, so going stir cray.
Have a good one.
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Tinypaws: Was interrupted from logging as neighbours showed up, so I answer you that one still quickly.
As I said, Krema, no use whining. Doesn't matter what should have been done (aside from that cultures have always mixed, just bad when it happens through violent/forced ways).
I want your solution for now. Not some yesterday, but a clear path laid out by you of how we are to solve the situation we are finding ourselves in.
And I asked you the question, which you haven't answered, about what we are to do with the refugees on our door step, as well as those we already have taken in, and those Muslims who were born in many of our countries, and how we bring this to a peaceful ending.
Also want to know whether we are to keep meddling in the ME or stop with that.
Thank you
As I said, Krema, no use whining. Doesn't matter what should have been done (aside from that cultures have always mixed, just bad when it happens through violent/forced ways).
I want your solution for now. Not some yesterday, but a clear path laid out by you of how we are to solve the situation we are finding ourselves in.
And I asked you the question, which you haven't answered, about what we are to do with the refugees on our door step, as well as those we already have taken in, and those Muslims who were born in many of our countries, and how we bring this to a peaceful ending.
Also want to know whether we are to keep meddling in the ME or stop with that.
Thank you
Stop the money, the so called aid, for the African fat cats-dictators and invest in the counties, build factories and give people work, leave Syria alone, it's obvious people who remained in Asad's part of the country lead a normal life...there will always be some against the government, so what, it's everywhere...
Fight properly ISIS, don't touch it with gloves...
All the money spent on freebies for the refugees should be spent on the countries rebuilding, and all young, strong immigrants to be involved in the process.
Well, I am really tired, and have to finally shut the computer...
Good night!
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For too long Europeans have let somebody else elect their governments for them , who cares aye , nothing changes . Austria a prime example with their two cosy partys running the show . Well now that is under threat with the right wing gaining ground . Surprise !! two rightwing members are facing fraud investigations . Voters best get off their collective fat rear ends and change their governments to ones that will act against islam , Islamists and their empathetic supporters . Treating savages in a manner that they act is a language that's universal , it does not need translation . The media are just as responsible for keeping the "middle" silent as the governments they act for , its governments tool to control .
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epirb: you write a lot of idealistic crap . Put yourself for one moment in the family's of the Islamic butchers
Put yourself for one moment into the shoes of ordinary families dying from Western bombs.
All of it is equally tragic and senseless, no one should have to suffer from any of this, no matter where they live. 'Idealistic crap', just because it doesn't go along with your right wing fanatism?
Gimme a break
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Tinypaws: Put yourself for one moment into the shoes of ordinary families dying from Western bombs.
All of it is equally tragic and senseless, no one should have to suffer from any of this, no matter where they live. 'Idealistic crap', just because it doesn't go along with your right wing fanatism?
Gimme a break
funny , I have been called a leftie pinko in the past . Those western bombs are trying to defend against ISIL , accidents happen .All of it is equally tragic and senseless, no one should have to suffer from any of this, no matter where they live. 'Idealistic crap', just because it doesn't go along with your right wing fanatism?
Gimme a break
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epirb: funny , I have been called a leftie pinko in the past . Those western bombs are trying to defend against ISIL , accidents happen .
It is not just about the incident where those families died. It is about meddling in the affairs of a foreign people, which has been going on for far too long now, and has created beasts like IS.
Yes, of course we can beat IS, but the damage we will cause in the process very possibly will lead to new extremes, that is my worry - more families, as you say, falling victims of Islamic butchers. Ever thought I may have that in mind just the same? It's not just about now, but about after. We need to find the best possibly way to protect our future peace, and in my view, pulling out of that area, grants us the best chance for that.
Yet I acknowledge this as my view, maybe I am incorrect, but don't worry, my theory will not be put to the test - it will all continue as is, too much interest in the ME for reasons nothing to do with our families here, nor the families there. To end human suffering here or there, isn't top of the agenda.
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Tinypaws: It is not just about the incident where those families died. It is about meddling in the affairs of a foreign people, which has been going on for far too long now, and has created beasts like IS.
Yes, of course we can beat IS, but the damage we will cause in the process very possibly will lead to new extremes, that is my worry - more families, as you say, falling victims of Islamic butchers. Ever thought I may have that in mind just the same? It's not just about now, but about after. We need to find the best possibly way to protect our future peace, and in my view, pulling out of that area, grants us the best chance for that.
Yet I acknowledge this as my view, maybe I am incorrect, but don't worry, my theory will not be put to the test - it will all continue as is, too much interest in the ME for reasons nothing to do with our families here, nor the families there. To end human suffering here or there, isn't top of the agenda.
I share your views of pulling out of there , backing the best of a bad bunch no matter what has to be done somehow . Another bomb gone off in the last hour killing 22 kurds , ISIL attack .Yes, of course we can beat IS, but the damage we will cause in the process very possibly will lead to new extremes, that is my worry - more families, as you say, falling victims of Islamic butchers. Ever thought I may have that in mind just the same? It's not just about now, but about after. We need to find the best possibly way to protect our future peace, and in my view, pulling out of that area, grants us the best chance for that.
Yet I acknowledge this as my view, maybe I am incorrect, but don't worry, my theory will not be put to the test - it will all continue as is, too much interest in the ME for reasons nothing to do with our families here, nor the families there. To end human suffering here or there, isn't top of the agenda.
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Tinypaws: It is not just about the incident where those families died. It is about meddling in the affairs of a foreign people, which has been going on for far too long now, and has created beasts like IS.
Yes, of course we can beat IS, but the damage we will cause in the process very possibly will lead to new extremes, that is my worry - more families, as you say, falling victims of Islamic butchers. Ever thought I may have that in mind just the same? It's not just about now, but about after. We need to find the best possibly way to protect our future peace, and in my view, pulling out of that area, grants us the best chance for that.
Yet I acknowledge this as my view, maybe I am incorrect, but don't worry, my theory will not be put to the test - it will all continue as is, too much interest in the ME for reasons nothing to do with our families here, nor the families there. To end human suffering here or there, isn't top of the agenda.
Yes, of course we can beat IS, but the damage we will cause in the process very possibly will lead to new extremes, that is my worry - more families, as you say, falling victims of Islamic butchers. Ever thought I may have that in mind just the same? It's not just about now, but about after. We need to find the best possibly way to protect our future peace, and in my view, pulling out of that area, grants us the best chance for that.
Yet I acknowledge this as my view, maybe I am incorrect, but don't worry, my theory will not be put to the test - it will all continue as is, too much interest in the ME for reasons nothing to do with our families here, nor the families there. To end human suffering here or there, isn't top of the agenda.
So you will continue in your politically correct ivory tower reaping all the benefits.
While brave men are fighting a war for you . Come down and look at the real world not just your bubble.
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Tinypaws: It is not just about the incident where those families died. It is about meddling in the affairs of a foreign people, which has been going on for far too long now, and has created beasts like IS.
Not much different to what Donald Trump says. The trick is in couching it in terms not of the white man's burden: Islam is responsible for ISIS(more responsible than we are)and contrary to white liberal belief a non-white person is responsible for his or her own actions - instead of foreigners being the infant playthings and pet reclamation projects of the white liberal middle class, I put forth the new and radical notion that other races are adults.
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epirb: I share your views of pulling out of there , backing the best of a bad bunch no matter what has to be done somehow . Another bomb gone off in the last hour killing 22 kurds , ISIL attack .
I think this is a good analysis of what we are facing. Jon Davis's answer.
https://www.quora.com/Does-ISIS-really-stand-a-chance-in-the-long-run
This isn't going to go away just by defeating ISIS, and my worry is, as long as we make it all about our peace and Western benefit, our efforts will not be seen as an honest attempt.
Quote:
"Even if ISIS were to be completely routed and destroyed, (magic wand thinking), the ideology behind what brought it into existence will continue to grow even if the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant no longer exists."
We need to see what brought it into existence, and what keeps feeding it. To just say it is 'Islam' is wrong, as there are Muslims out there fighting for democratic ideals, but we are undermining their efforts, in my opinion, through the way we so far we have interacted with the ME, giving radials a West they can depict as the enemy.
My view
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tomcatwarne: So you will continue in your politically correct ivory tower reaping all the benefits.
While brave men are fighting a war for you . Come down and look at the real world not just your bubble.
While brave men are fighting a war for you . Come down and look at the real world not just your bubble.
Gosh, get over yourself, it appears to me you aren't even reading properly what I am saying.
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TheRedSquirrel87: Not much different to what Donald Trump says. The trick is in couching it in terms not of the white man's burden: Islam is responsible for ISIS(more responsible than we are)and contrary to white liberal belief a non-white person is responsible for his or her own actions - instead of foreigners being the infant playthings and pet reclamation projects of the white liberal middle class, I put forth the new and radical notion that other races are adults.
YES to the bold part!!!
Maybe family gatherings will go well after all!
Although Islam isn't as such responsible for ISIS either. That would be like saying Christianity is responsible for creating the IRA. There is more at play than just religions, in my view at least.
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Tinypaws: Gosh, get over yourself, it appears to me you aren't even reading properly what I am saying.
I understand what you are saying, but think it is misguided and incorrect.
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tomcatwarne: I understand what you are saying, but think it is misguided and incorrect.
These people must be held to account for their actions, ans the fear that they may be angry at us at a later date is neither here nor there.
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tomcatwarne: These people must be held to account for their actions, ans the fear that they may be angry at us at a later date is neither here nor there.
It is not about being 'angry' at us, but about feeding what gives them the tools to recruit further.
I even agree with Jon Davis that as many need to be killed as by any chance possible, but it isn't helpful to just shrug when innocent Muslims die, indifferently stating accidents happen and it's simply collateral damage. Or to say 'Islam' is evil and due to that freeing the self of the responsibility to feel with ordinary Muslims and their losses, too.
I reject liberals who treat other human beings as pet projects, just as much as I reject those who care not for the suffering of others, simply because they don't fit in with their own race/culture/religion. To me both is equally despicable. This is not just about the West, but about the future of a region where people have a right to form their societies, and fight for them, just as we have done. Most of Western interference down there has happened to cover our own interest, and I personally believe that has to stop.
If we really must aid to bring ISIS to an end, then we have to make clear it's not just retaliation because our people have come to suffer, but because they are enemies to all of us, most Muslims too. We must treat Muslims as equal allies in the fight against these radicals, and once this threat has been dealt with in joined venture, retreat from the area and let these people deal with sorting out their own countries.
Am I wrong? Guess we will have to see what will still happen.
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Don't worry Putin will sort all the evil people and peace will again awaken the hearts and mind of the downtrodden, looksie:
Simsek emphasized Turkey's gratitude to Russia at the talks with Dvorkovich on restoring economic ties, saying: "You supported democracy, supported the government. Thank you very much."
Turkey received "unconditional support" from Russia over the coup attempt, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in an interview to Haberturk TV on Monday.
Putin ordered the Russian government last month to begin lifting sanctions imposed on Turkey after Erdogan sent a letter offering "sympathy and profound condolences" to the family of the Russian pilot who died when Turkey shot down his plane during the November mission to bomb Islamic State militants in Syria.
Russia is "ready for constructive discussions" with Turkey and a gradual improvement in relations that includes thawing frozen economic ties and restoring tourism, Dvorkovich said.
Simsek emphasized Turkey's gratitude to Russia at the talks with Dvorkovich on restoring economic ties, saying: "You supported democracy, supported the government. Thank you very much."
Turkey received "unconditional support" from Russia over the coup attempt, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in an interview to Haberturk TV on Monday.
Putin ordered the Russian government last month to begin lifting sanctions imposed on Turkey after Erdogan sent a letter offering "sympathy and profound condolences" to the family of the Russian pilot who died when Turkey shot down his plane during the November mission to bomb Islamic State militants in Syria.
Russia is "ready for constructive discussions" with Turkey and a gradual improvement in relations that includes thawing frozen economic ties and restoring tourism, Dvorkovich said.
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Was there an error in the intelligence, yes.
Were these specific people supposed to be killed, no.
But when you have a license to drop bombs innocent people will die, so yes, you talk of collateral damage, and this would have been known and taken into account when making a decision to bomb people, be assured of that.
You talk about and collateral damage as if its a normal part of our existence and it should not.
You start a thread about 2 people being killed in what you call a war, yet know nothing about 83 innocent people killed in the last few days.
You have a twisted view of who are collateral and who are victims.
No, I don't have a twisted view, anybody who has been in the army will laugh at you...
You expect no victims? Wow...
It's not a video game Arg, you can not make sure no civilian will die and that's life...