Trump invites Duterte to the White House (39)
GUZMAN1: Drug consumers commit a criminal activity? Is this a good reason to kill them?.
Actually, users are offered the chance to get treatment to break the habit, the pushers?importers are the ones being targeted.
The media doesn't report that as most of the media is corrupt, they fear Duterte will imprison them as he has with other corrupt officials.
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GUZMAN1: I have my doubts about his good intentions since he's forcing on the drug consumers instead of the drug dealers. Last ones are criminals but others aren't. Even some could be called victims.
Agree with you there Guzman.
Dealers and the heads if the cartel.
Users are victims.
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sergio09: Actually sounds a lot like Trump, come to think of it.
I don't think so.
First there's nothing that can be compared to when it comes to a fight against drug.
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I used to think he was doing alright, until it was pointed out that the police turn up and declare you a drug dealer and shoot you. Whether or not you're involved with drugs or not is quite secondary.
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lindsyjones: Very interesting.
Considering how Duterte is running the Philippines and even more so, how China and Russia being so friendly with the Philippine leader.
What's the motivation is my question.
Anyone?
Considering how Duterte is running the Philippines and even more so, how China and Russia being so friendly with the Philippine leader.
What's the motivation is my question.
Anyone?
Another notorious leader, that Trump sees that stimulates his difficulty cornering the drugs race.
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pat8lanips: I used to think he was doing alright, until it was pointed out that the police turn up and declare you a drug dealer and shoot you. Whether or not you're involved with drugs or not is quite secondary.
It did happen, but in fairness, Duterte has jumped on those that did this, and in over a year now, not one person has been shot in this way.
Duterte has been very transparent in the way the enforcement is carried out. In Cebu city, outside the main Police HQ there is a huge boarding, listing out all those shot, arrested or handed themselves in, it is updated daily.
In the small town where my home is, the drug users have mainly disappeared, and walking around late at night has become a pleasure. I no longer have to dodge the pushers and those begging for money.
So yes, some innocent lives have been taken, but far, far, fewer than would have been taken by those killing for money or to get drugs, or those who would have died from the actual partaking in drugs.
Sometimes one has to be cruel to be kind. Dutertes tough policies are working, it is obvious when you look around, and I for one will continue to support him 100%.
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sergio09: Actually sounds a lot like Trump, come to think of it.
There are some similarities, such as poorly educated and speaking without thinking about the consequences. But there it ends, Trump cares only about Trump and money. Duterte has proven over and over he cares deeply about his country and he has no money nor does he seek to be rich.
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I wonder how he'll go trying to clean up Mindanau, that will be a challenge I think. Has he been President for a year now?
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lindsyjones: I'm sure his intention is good but the system he employs to accomplish that intention might be a bit too harsh if not outright inhumane.
Intention is outright inhuman.
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pat8lanips: I used to think he was doing alright, until it was pointed out that the police turn up and declare you a drug dealer and shoot you. Whether or not you're involved with drugs or not is quite secondary.
Direct observation if my relatives reflect the effective clean up to eradicate these bad elements.
There's more people in the non drug world who commend his efforts.
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Duterte is just another Marcos
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posolet: Duterte is just another Marcos
I can't say it's similar. The first 8 years of Marcos rule was the best we had. After that was the worst not because of him but his greedy wife.
No Duterte is unique all to his own.
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lindsyjones: I can't say it's similar. The first 8 years of Marcos rule was the best we had. After that was the worst not because of him but his greedy wife.
No Duterte is unique all to his own.
No Duterte is unique all to his own.
The Beatles had bad times in Philippines thanks to Imelda Marcos.
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pat8lanips: It starts with rough justice towards drug dealers, because there is little sympathy for them in the community. Then we become accustomed to a goon squad turning up and shooting people. Then incrementally, other offences become subject to summary execution. Finally, the list starts including things that are not offences like s*xual orientation/political leanings/religion/etc.
The other thing to consider, is the numbers. If you can go out and summarily execute 5000 druggos this week, surely you could have simply arrested them last week and thrown them in jail. Unless you took their protection money last week, but this week fear they may give evidence against you...
The other thing to consider, is the numbers. If you can go out and summarily execute 5000 druggos this week, surely you could have simply arrested them last week and thrown them in jail. Unless you took their protection money last week, but this week fear they may give evidence against you...
I'm not sure as to what evidence and proof they have and how the investigation goes but I agree, it's not just to just kill without due process of law.
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pat8lanips: I wonder how he'll go trying to clean up Mindanau, that will be a challenge I think. Has he been President for a year now?
My apologies, I should have said this year rather than over a year. and yes almost one year as President. May 9th 2016
Mindanao is a complex area, not least because Duterte family come from there (Moro). But they are successful inroads being made, some senior leaders have been caught/shot in recent stakeouts. The worry is that now the Terrorists are moving north, recent attacks on Bohol caused a major problem, but the Filipinos are, if nothing else, a resilient race and they will fight back.
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That's extremely measured language you use there, my understanding of the situation is quite different. That Mindanau is a total no-go zone full of muslim fanatics that kidnap and ransom tourists, and old people volunteering their time and energy to run medical facilities.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
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pat8lanips: That's extremely measured language you use there, my understanding of the situation is quite different. That Mindanau is a total no-go zone full of muslim fanatics that kidnap and ransom tourists, and old people volunteering their time and energy to run medical facilities.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
Certain areas to the west of Mindanao are dangerous, that's for sure, but other areas are okay, in the spring I was in Davao city and had a great time, a very clean and safe city IMO, I meet some locals and they think the terrorist part is growing but they support all Duterte is doing to try and control the area.
As for the drugs, I know little about pricing etc, but think because the dealer risk their lives, they think twice without much thought to profit, 1 million Peso is not helpful if you're dead! This does not happen in western countries, the worst is a short prison term!
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pat8lanips: That's extremely measured language you use there, my understanding of the situation is quite different. That Mindanau is a total no-go zone full of muslim fanatics that kidnap and ransom tourists, and old people volunteering their time and energy to run medical facilities.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
Cocaine is about 40-60 dollars a gram there, here its 300-350 dollars a gram. Supply and demand, as they shoot more drug dealers it will become harder to find, and more expensive. In turn, more profits to be had, more police tempted to become involved etc.
So you just end up with different people running the show, not a lot changes on the ground.
Pat your opinion of the south as a no go zone is correct.
It has become one of the most active training ground of Islamic terrorism.
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