Do women really need feminism? (73)
Kapow_: Ye are pretty much saying that you are victims if you do.
And thy shall be reminded that EQUALITY includes MEN !!!!
And thy shall be reminded that EQUALITY includes MEN !!!!
I've never claimed to be a feminist in any shape or form.
I agree with women having rights like voting equal pay but some of it makes no sense to me and in my humble opinion it has destroyed the family unit.
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Ccincy: I've never claimed to be a feminist in any shape or form.
I agree with women having rights like voting equal pay but some of it makes no sense to me and in my humble opinion it has destroyed the family unit.
I agree with women having rights like voting equal pay but some of it makes no sense to me and in my humble opinion it has destroyed the family unit.
But... if women made same money as men. Would they need men at all?
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Kapow_: But... if women made same money as men. Would they need men at all?
You keep asking trick questions.
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Ccincy: You keep asking trick questions.
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How can women be saying they are victims if they need feminism, if men (and all people) have the right to equality, too?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
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jac_the_gripper: How can women be saying they are victims if they need feminism, if men (and all people) have the right to equality, too?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
I once saw a video on youtube of women cat calling men. It was sorta a social experiment. In the female version you can see.men being compared to rapists and in the male version you can see guys actually enjoying the attention and getting phone numbers LOL. What i mean with this thread is that sometimes feminism is taken to an extreme and all things in extreme are bad.
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jac_the_gripper: How can women be saying they are victims if they need feminism, if men (and all people) have the right to equality, too?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
If feminism is the political movement for equal rights for women and you can't have equal rights for women without having equal rights for everybody else, then feminism is the political movement for equal rights for everybody.
If needing feminism is saying that women are victims, then it's saying that everybody is a victim, otherwise it would be unequal.
One could argue that everybody is a victim of inequality, and that maybe true in different ways for different people, but maybe suppressive techniques such as name calling isn't really the best way forward to reduce oppression, eh?
So true, but god will the world hate you?
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Ccincy: Saorstat, It happens here in America too, probably all over.
Och easy for you to wave...
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Saorstat: Och easy for you to wave...
Sowwie cin
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Sowwie cin
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Just saying hi no disrespect meant.
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Not much to say on this subject that has not been said here by everyone else already,
my summation;
Feminists need feminism, People need equality
And most importantly. Let the kids rock
my summation;
Feminists need feminism, People need equality
And most importantly. Let the kids rock
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I need feminism!
I need it to keep women in check, from the unfairness they try to impose on me.
I'll wash herr dishes; but, it's not my job to support her!
Does she want to make 80% of my buying decisions, while putting in 70% of what I do, when I earn less money than she does?
Nope.
That's not equal rights.
With feminism, our rights are defined.
We have a right to everything they want.
I need it to keep women in check, from the unfairness they try to impose on me.
I'll wash herr dishes; but, it's not my job to support her!
Does she want to make 80% of my buying decisions, while putting in 70% of what I do, when I earn less money than she does?
Nope.
That's not equal rights.
With feminism, our rights are defined.
We have a right to everything they want.
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Kapow_: Ye are pretty much saying that you are victims if you do.
And thy shall be reminded that EQUALITY includes MEN !!!!
And thy shall be reminded that EQUALITY includes MEN !!!!
I beg to disagree, feminism as a movement has an ultimate objective, that is for women to be given the same rights with men on equal pay, treatment and recognition.
To me, that purpose was accomplishes through the movement called feminism. It basically opened up our ability as women to be able to enjoy the political and social benefits of equality.
Below is from Google, which I definitely agree.
"Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.
In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.
Although more and more people are beginning to understand the true definition of feminism and openly identifying with it, there has always been a negative stigma attached to it. Part of this problem is the way our media sensationalizes things, trying to pass the most radical and extreme versions as the standard which, in this case, depicts a feminist as a man-hater who hates lipstick, crinkles her nose at stay-at-home moms, and unapologetically supports abortions on demand."
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" All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights"
To me this is the basic and ultimate goal of a feminist.
The question is, would have we been recognized and treated with equal rights without thus movement called feminism?
My answer is no.
To me this is the basic and ultimate goal of a feminist.
The question is, would have we been recognized and treated with equal rights without thus movement called feminism?
My answer is no.
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guysimple: If I say something
A group of women may attack me verbally... ( try to prove I am women hater)
Thus I prefer to stay away from controversial topics but like to read silly comment in their defense of f*ck feminism.
A group of women may attack me verbally... ( try to prove I am women hater)
Thus I prefer to stay away from controversial topics but like to read silly comment in their defense of f*ck feminism.
Game has started ....
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lindsyjones: I beg to disagree, feminism as a movement has an ultimate objective, that is for women to be given the same rights with men on equal pay, treatment and recognition.
To me, that purpose was accomplished through the movement called feminism. It basically opened up our ability as women to be able to enjoy the political and social benefits of equality.
Below is from Google, which I definitely agree.
"Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.
In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.
Although more and more people are beginning to understand the true definition of feminism and openly identifying with it, there has always been a negative stigma attached to it. Part of this problem is the way our media sensationalizes things, trying to pass the most radical and extreme versions as the standard which, in this case, depicts a feminist as a man-hater who hates lipstick, crinkles her nose at stay-at-home moms, and unapologetically supports abortions on demand."
To me, that purpose was accomplished through the movement called feminism. It basically opened up our ability as women to be able to enjoy the political and social benefits of equality.
Below is from Google, which I definitely agree.
"Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.
In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.
Although more and more people are beginning to understand the true definition of feminism and openly identifying with it, there has always been a negative stigma attached to it. Part of this problem is the way our media sensationalizes things, trying to pass the most radical and extreme versions as the standard which, in this case, depicts a feminist as a man-hater who hates lipstick, crinkles her nose at stay-at-home moms, and unapologetically supports abortions on demand."
Sorry for the error. Should have been "accomplished" not accomplishes.
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Treating people equally is not the same as treating everyone the same.
If I make everyone a size 12 frock, very few people will have a suitable item of clothing. I've treated everyone the same, but to treat everyone equally I would have to make everyone an item of clothing which suits their individual needs.
One issue with treating everyone equally is that it takes more time and effort. Another is that some people think they might lose out and can't see the advantages for themselves.
The same/equal argument works similarly with cat calling - it doesn't suit some people. It tends to not to suit a lot of women for a number of reasons and the social ramifications are broad.
If it tends to suit some men, it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to treat everyone the same.
The trouble is, when you're yelling at randomers, there's not much scope for ascertaining the recipient's individual needs, in which case it's perhaps best to keep your gob shut.
If I make everyone a size 12 frock, very few people will have a suitable item of clothing. I've treated everyone the same, but to treat everyone equally I would have to make everyone an item of clothing which suits their individual needs.
One issue with treating everyone equally is that it takes more time and effort. Another is that some people think they might lose out and can't see the advantages for themselves.
The same/equal argument works similarly with cat calling - it doesn't suit some people. It tends to not to suit a lot of women for a number of reasons and the social ramifications are broad.
If it tends to suit some men, it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to treat everyone the same.
The trouble is, when you're yelling at randomers, there's not much scope for ascertaining the recipient's individual needs, in which case it's perhaps best to keep your gob shut.
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jac_the_gripper: Treating people equally is not the same as treating everyone the same.
If I make everyone a size 12 frock, very few people will have a suitable item of clothing. I've treated everyone the same, but to treat everyone equally I would have to make everyone an item of clothing which suits their individual needs.
One issue with treating everyone equally is that it takes more time and effort. Another is that some people think they might lose out and can't see the advantages for themselves.
The same/equal argument works similarly with cat calling - it doesn't suit some people. It tends to not to suit a lot of women for a number of reasons and the social ramifications are broad.
If it tends to suit some men, it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to treat everyone the same.
The trouble is, when you're yelling at randomers, there's not much scope for ascertaining the recipient's individual needs, in which case it's perhaps best to keep your gob shut.
If I make everyone a size 12 frock, very few people will have a suitable item of clothing. I've treated everyone the same, but to treat everyone equally I would have to make everyone an item of clothing which suits their individual needs.
One issue with treating everyone equally is that it takes more time and effort. Another is that some people think they might lose out and can't see the advantages for themselves.
The same/equal argument works similarly with cat calling - it doesn't suit some people. It tends to not to suit a lot of women for a number of reasons and the social ramifications are broad.
If it tends to suit some men, it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to treat everyone the same.
The trouble is, when you're yelling at randomers, there's not much scope for ascertaining the recipient's individual needs, in which case it's perhaps best to keep your gob shut.
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@Saorstat...
I wonder if cause and correlation are getting muddled up here.
Is feminism the cause of the family unit breaking down?
Perhaps inequality is the cause of the family unit breaking down if women started to challenge traditional family roles, dynamics and behaviour.
Maybe feminism correlates with the movement to challenge the inequalities of the family unit, given its a movement to challenge inequalities.
If one of those inequalities is that women are still viewed in law as being the natural primary carers of children, then feminism, the movement for equal rights for women, is surely the obvious solution to redressing the balance when it comes to gender discrimination within parental rights.
I've said it already, one of the problems is people viewing feminism as a threat and that they might lose out.
I'm sorry, but I think men are being a bit dull if they can't think up an effective way of arguing from a feminist perspective to achieve equal rights for themselves.
I wonder if cause and correlation are getting muddled up here.
Is feminism the cause of the family unit breaking down?
Perhaps inequality is the cause of the family unit breaking down if women started to challenge traditional family roles, dynamics and behaviour.
Maybe feminism correlates with the movement to challenge the inequalities of the family unit, given its a movement to challenge inequalities.
If one of those inequalities is that women are still viewed in law as being the natural primary carers of children, then feminism, the movement for equal rights for women, is surely the obvious solution to redressing the balance when it comes to gender discrimination within parental rights.
I've said it already, one of the problems is people viewing feminism as a threat and that they might lose out.
I'm sorry, but I think men are being a bit dull if they can't think up an effective way of arguing from a feminist perspective to achieve equal rights for themselves.
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And thy shall be reminded that EQUALITY includes MEN !!!!