Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too. (19)
galrads: I think it’s time for Germany to be a major allied power on the seas. Let them defend Europe against all enemies. They can afford it easier than the USA.
Same with Japan, Why doesn’t Japan build a huge army again? Give the Kuril Islands to Japan permanently too. The USA should get out of Japan.
Maybe because the USA banned both countries from having that kind of military. Defense only!Same with Japan, Why doesn’t Japan build a huge army again? Give the Kuril Islands to Japan permanently too. The USA should get out of Japan.
You made the bed, now you have to lie in it
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rizlared: Maybe because the USA banned both countries from having that kind of military. Defense only!
You made the bed, now you have to lie in it
Then the world shouldn’t care if Trump pledges to reverse these bans as part of his run for a second term as POTUS... You made the bed, now you have to lie in it
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Gal,
What is the basis of your argument?
Is it the comparison of population to money spent on defense? Why is a high figure a bad thing? Defense has been and should continue to be a priority for any independent sovereignty.
As for the comment that "we made the bed"... well, actually the current population did not do that. It was the political decision of the ruling class at that time. Financiers such as JP Morgan and others were behind the treaties that punished Germany and Japan, forcing them to "repay" all the "damage" they caused... (Ignoring the fact that it was the rich oligarchy that financed and caused the war...)
Why isn't Switzerland on your list of countries that should contribute to "world control"?
They are the most armed country in Europe. They have a trained, and armed (!) military that can deploy in less than 4 hours. No other European country can do that!!
Yeah, I'm fully aware of their "neutral" position. One should stop and look at the history of why that was established in the first place.
But history has changed. This year, Switzerland is mandated to reveal all of their banking information. Those who thought of Switzerland as being a safe haven are quickly moving their money.
Are Americans aware of who made the ammunition for the Germans during the wars? Look south...j
Another reason how Switzerland got so rich!
When it comes to military and strength, one must always look at the financiers behind the operations - not just the "government"....
What is the basis of your argument?
Is it the comparison of population to money spent on defense? Why is a high figure a bad thing? Defense has been and should continue to be a priority for any independent sovereignty.
As for the comment that "we made the bed"... well, actually the current population did not do that. It was the political decision of the ruling class at that time. Financiers such as JP Morgan and others were behind the treaties that punished Germany and Japan, forcing them to "repay" all the "damage" they caused... (Ignoring the fact that it was the rich oligarchy that financed and caused the war...)
Why isn't Switzerland on your list of countries that should contribute to "world control"?
They are the most armed country in Europe. They have a trained, and armed (!) military that can deploy in less than 4 hours. No other European country can do that!!
Yeah, I'm fully aware of their "neutral" position. One should stop and look at the history of why that was established in the first place.
But history has changed. This year, Switzerland is mandated to reveal all of their banking information. Those who thought of Switzerland as being a safe haven are quickly moving their money.
Are Americans aware of who made the ammunition for the Germans during the wars? Look south...j
Another reason how Switzerland got so rich!
When it comes to military and strength, one must always look at the financiers behind the operations - not just the "government"....
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And another point - The EU cut defense across the board with the exception of two (I think) countries as part of the end to the Cold War.
Russia didn't reciprocate, instead increasing spending and developing new bombs and machines.
Part of the reason the EU packed up all the Russian dignitaries and sent them back home.
Russia didn't reciprocate, instead increasing spending and developing new bombs and machines.
Part of the reason the EU packed up all the Russian dignitaries and sent them back home.
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Kaylana04: And another point - The EU cut defense across the board with the exception of two (I think) countries as part of the end to the Cold War.
Russia didn't reciprocate, instead increasing spending and developing new bombs and machines.
Part of the reason the EU packed up all the Russian dignitaries and sent them back home.
I see... so, Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too?Russia didn't reciprocate, instead increasing spending and developing new bombs and machines.
Part of the reason the EU packed up all the Russian dignitaries and sent them back home.
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galrads: I see... so, Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too?
"As many"??I'd answer "yes" that each country should be responsible for their own defense.
And what level that is, should again be the discretion of the country.
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Kaylana04: "As many"??
I'd answer "yes" that each country should be responsible for their own defense.
And what level that is, should again be the discretion of the country.
Once we start the comparison game, we run into danger of the "bigger and better" aggression based faulty logic.I'd answer "yes" that each country should be responsible for their own defense.
And what level that is, should again be the discretion of the country.
There is no guarantee or mandate that one should be 'top dog'. (Alright, I know where a few posters might run with that comment! Focus people!!)
Back to what I was saying... Fairness is not guaranteed in life.
There will always be poor people, just as there will always be someone with a newer and better toy.
That's a fact.
But, do you have enough to protect yourself?
Now, we can discuss something.
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galrads: I think it’s time for Germany to be a major allied power on the seas. Let them defend Europe against all enemies. They can afford it easier than the USA.
Same with Japan, Why doesn’t Japan build a huge army again? Give the Kuril Islands to Japan permanently too. The USA should get out of Japan.
Germany a major power on the seas, that's not likely without maybe jet fighters which double as submarines there'd need to be this century's U-boat. Same with Japan, Why doesn’t Japan build a huge army again? Give the Kuril Islands to Japan permanently too. The USA should get out of Japan.
Be careful where you go with this. There's no special reason to disarm Japan and Germany because of world war 2, but dozens of little well-armed countries bumping up against each other sounds like the world just before world war 1 when the role of British Empire world police was in decline.
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Kaylana04: Once we start the comparison game, we run into danger of the "bigger and better" aggression based faulty logic.
There is no guarantee or mandate that one should be 'top dog'. (Alright, I know where a few posters might run with that comment! Focus people!!)
Back to what I was saying... Fairness is not guaranteed in life.
There will always be poor people, just as there will always be someone with a newer and better toy.
That's a fact.
But, do you have enough to protect yourself?
Now, we can discuss something.
So, Do you agree that Germany and Japan can afford their own military and advancing technologies to protect themselves and their neighbors against all threats foreign and domestic. . And I do you also think that no country should tell another country what military size they may have at this point in history.There is no guarantee or mandate that one should be 'top dog'. (Alright, I know where a few posters might run with that comment! Focus people!!)
Back to what I was saying... Fairness is not guaranteed in life.
There will always be poor people, just as there will always be someone with a newer and better toy.
That's a fact.
But, do you have enough to protect yourself?
Now, we can discuss something.
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galrads: there you go again riz, on the personal attack, trolling, instead of discussing the OP. why do you troll so much? instead of discussing the OP
Alright men. Let’s focus. Galrads, it’s true that we wonder “why” you post these threads.
Are you embarrassed to be American? Do you find fault with American policies?
While we cannot fix all the problems we may sense, a better approach might be to ask “Why...?” and not “should...”. People connect emotions to a logical discourse because “should” is most often backed by feelings. Ok?
Riz - ridicule gets you no points in a discussion. Not sure why you always take this route.
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ChesneyChrist: Germany a major power on the seas, that's not likely without maybe jet fighters which double as submarines there'd need to be this century's U-boat.
Be careful where you go with this. There's no special reason to disarm Japan and Germany because of world war 2, but dozens of little well-armed countries bumping up against each other sounds like the world just before world war 1 when the role of British Empire world police was in decline.
I don’t know about dozens, but I’m wondering why Germany and Japan can not expand their military presence in the world to equal any other military. What’s stopping them from accomplishing this? Be careful where you go with this. There's no special reason to disarm Japan and Germany because of world war 2, but dozens of little well-armed countries bumping up against each other sounds like the world just before world war 1 when the role of British Empire world police was in decline.
What’s wrong with each country making their own bed and not expecting others countries to sacrifice young women and men to defend them and also compromise economies.. Put the United Nations in Europe and keep the USA out of your arguements....
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Kaylana04: Alright men. Let’s focus.
Galrads, it’s true that we wonder “why” you post these threads.
Are you embarrassed to be American? Do you find fault with American policies?
While we cannot fix all the problems we may sense, a better approach might be to ask “Why...?” and not “should...”. People connect emotions to a logical discourse because “should” is most often backed by feelings. Ok?
Riz - ridicule gets you no points in a discussion. Not sure why you always take this route.
I post threads like any one else for what ever reasons strikes me. DuhGalrads, it’s true that we wonder “why” you post these threads.
Are you embarrassed to be American? Do you find fault with American policies?
While we cannot fix all the problems we may sense, a better approach might be to ask “Why...?” and not “should...”. People connect emotions to a logical discourse because “should” is most often backed by feelings. Ok?
Riz - ridicule gets you no points in a discussion. Not sure why you always take this route.
So, here in this thread, I simply wish to know, “Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.” ...ok and if they shouldn’t have this aforementioned military, why not?
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galrads: So, Do you agree that Germany and Japan can afford their own military and advancing technologies to protect themselves and their neighbors against all threats foreign and domestic. . And I do you also think that no country should tell another country what military size they may have at this point in history.
Military armament is a business. It's true that governments find outside investors to help develop new technologies and weapons.Aren't all neighbors considered 'foreign'?
Latvia has thousands of Canadian and American troops rotating in and out of the base here. They are training foreign troops and practicing their maneuvers here. Is that a "bad" thing? I don't think so. (Again, we can't attach a moral to this,) All participating countries benefit. The constant activity shows that Latvia is alive and awake.
Now, of concern for the Eastern States is the narrow space on the Polish border where lies the lifeline of the states here depend upon. There is an American base there, set to protect and keep that line open.
Am I glad they are there? Sure am! I know that that narrow strip is secure and we can continue living our life in its peaceful pattern.
It's about cooperation, communication and building connections.
Here goes another plane overhead. Hope all the Canuks aboard enjoyed their time in Latvia!!!
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Kaylana04: Military armament is a business. It's true that governments find outside investors to help develop new technologies and weapons.
Aren't all neighbors considered 'foreign'?
Latvia has thousands of Canadian and American troops rotating in and out of the base here. They are training foreign troops and practicing their maneuvers here. Is that a "bad" thing? I don't think so. (Again, we can't attach a moral to this,) All participating countries benefit. The constant activity shows that Latvia is alive and awake.
Now, of concern for the Eastern States is the narrow space on the Polish border where lies the lifeline of the states here depend upon. There is an American base there, set to protect and keep that line open.
Am I glad they are there? Sure am! I know that that narrow strip is secure and we can continue living our life in its peaceful pattern.
It's about cooperation, communication and building connections.
Here goes another plane overhead. Hope all the Canuks aboard enjoyed their time in Latvia!!!
Well that’s wonderful for Latvia, especially if it doesn’t costblatvia any more you or personal now and when a conflict could break out. Aren't all neighbors considered 'foreign'?
Latvia has thousands of Canadian and American troops rotating in and out of the base here. They are training foreign troops and practicing their maneuvers here. Is that a "bad" thing? I don't think so. (Again, we can't attach a moral to this,) All participating countries benefit. The constant activity shows that Latvia is alive and awake.
Now, of concern for the Eastern States is the narrow space on the Polish border where lies the lifeline of the states here depend upon. There is an American base there, set to protect and keep that line open.
Am I glad they are there? Sure am! I know that that narrow strip is secure and we can continue living our life in its peaceful pattern.
It's about cooperation, communication and building connections.
Here goes another plane overhead. Hope all the Canuks aboard enjoyed their time in Latvia!!!
But I want to know about Germany and Japan. And instead of the USA let Japan and Germany do their thing in Latvia at germany’s Japan’s and Latvia’s economic and personnel expenses.
So, “Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.” ... let
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galrads: I post threads like any one else for what ever reasons strikes me. Duh
Yes, but my point was "why" do you post them in the manner that you do? They provoke emotions in people - who then aren't able to think clearly. That was my point. We can have healthy discussions about such topics if we can exclude emotions.galrads: So, here in this thread, I simply wish to know, “Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.” ...ok and if they shouldn’t have this aforementioned military, why not?
My point centers on how the question is asked. "Should" and "as many" appeals to emotion of fairness, justness, and equality - dictating who has a "right" to control...Now, if we talk about numbers in comparison to population - we can discuss what we individually believe to be an adequate ratio.
Then we need to bring in each country's status - can they afford such a ratio?
The discussion will then center around the "rights" to have a military.
You, as an American, I'm sure believe that every country has a right to their own military.
What do you offer as your justification for such belief?
I know my reasons.
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galrads: Well that’s wonderful for Latvia, especially if it doesn’t costblatvia any more you or personal now and when a conflict could break out.
But I want to know about Germany and Japan. And instead of the USA let Japan and Germany do their thing in Latvia at germany’s Japan’s and Latvia’s economic and personnel expenses.
So, “Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.” ... let
We are making the assumption that all the budget is from taxpayers. But I want to know about Germany and Japan. And instead of the USA let Japan and Germany do their thing in Latvia at germany’s Japan’s and Latvia’s economic and personnel expenses.
So, “Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.” ... let
It isn't.
It's a game of financiers.
That's why "arms deals" are so explosive to the public.
Russia was just buying new armament from a Swiss company. Why do people get upset? It's a business, after all...
But we like to dictate that governments should or shouldn't do something.
Yes, a business does deals to bring in more profits, while a government has the sole responsibility of 'spending' other people's money.... We are quick to say that a Government is corrupt when they cross the line.
But in reality, they've been doing just that for centuries.
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Let’s try aagain... hopefully without a narci or troll
Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.
hopefully without a narci or troll Should Germany have as many Aircraft Carriers and Submarins as the USA; Japan an Army and Navy too.
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Same with Japan, Why doesn’t Japan build a huge army again? Give the Kuril Islands to Japan permanently too. The USA should get out of Japan.