Religion (34)
Maiana: In the past religion brought structure to societies - it made rules and regulations and brought order to chaos. It kept people under control. It also gave people the belief that our life and existence was meaningful and it helped people endure many hardships they encountered in they everyday lives (life was much harder in the past than it is now). It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged. It had many purposes. Nowadays, we have laws, we can search for the meaning of life ourselves, there are different ways to experience the same sense of belonging...
Still, religion stays a very important part of the national and cultural identity for many people. Even if people aren't really religious, even if it is just the tradition, it's still a very important part of who they (think they) are. They define themselves through it to a certain extent - some more, some less. So, if someone sees themselves as a "Christian" or "Muslim" or "Catholic" or whatever - you cannot simply take away that from that person. Telling people things like: "You are silly to believe in 2000-year-old books" or "Religious organizations did numerous crimes in the past", etc. only backfires in most cases. People fight even more for their religious identity than they otherwise would.
Religions are old and conservative and they need time to change. They do change slowly. Churches become more liberal. Maybe those are tiny steps and most people don't even recognize them, but they do happen. Believers also change. Most people are "traditional believers" nowadays - religion is more a part of cultural and national identity to them than something they truly believe in. Things do change, but slowly. The same as societies or anything else. After all, have humans really changed in the last 2000 years? Aren't we biologically practically the same? We did make some progress. It's not much, but the time period is short...
In general, religious discussions - both between members of different religions and believers and atheists require a lot of knowledge, tolerance, open-mindedness, good will, patience... On forums they usually become nothing but fighting and accusing and nothing constructive comes out of them.
"In the past religion brought structure to societies - it made rules and regulations and brought order to chaos"Still, religion stays a very important part of the national and cultural identity for many people. Even if people aren't really religious, even if it is just the tradition, it's still a very important part of who they (think they) are. They define themselves through it to a certain extent - some more, some less. So, if someone sees themselves as a "Christian" or "Muslim" or "Catholic" or whatever - you cannot simply take away that from that person. Telling people things like: "You are silly to believe in 2000-year-old books" or "Religious organizations did numerous crimes in the past", etc. only backfires in most cases. People fight even more for their religious identity than they otherwise would.
Religions are old and conservative and they need time to change. They do change slowly. Churches become more liberal. Maybe those are tiny steps and most people don't even recognize them, but they do happen. Believers also change. Most people are "traditional believers" nowadays - religion is more a part of cultural and national identity to them than something they truly believe in. Things do change, but slowly. The same as societies or anything else. After all, have humans really changed in the last 2000 years? Aren't we biologically practically the same? We did make some progress. It's not much, but the time period is short...
In general, religious discussions - both between members of different religions and believers and atheists require a lot of knowledge, tolerance, open-mindedness, good will, patience... On forums they usually become nothing but fighting and accusing and nothing constructive comes out of them.
"It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged"
Those are very good and true points.
And it's good you say intelligent things being from the Balkans.
Normally I wouldn't say anything like that(commenting on someone's location).... But.... Because of you know who,
I think it's important people who don't know the culture and people of the Balkans don't get the wrong idea.
I've been to the Balkans many times, I always love it and I love the people, and I feel very welcome and I feel at home.
The vast vast majority is kind(like the vast majority of human beings in the world)
It is very sad to see that 1 person here who claims she from the Balkans but for some reason lives in Australia is giving the beautiful Balkan culture and people a terrible name!
I feel you should comment to her and comment on her religious fanatic crazy views.( That's up to you of course if you will do that )
So people will see the beautiful Balkan culture and people isn't like "that thing" says.
"Churches become more liberal"
I don't agree with that.
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Maiana: In the past religion brought structure to societies - it made rules and regulations and brought order to chaos. It kept people under control. It also gave people the belief that our life and existence was meaningful and it helped people endure many hardships they encountered in they everyday lives (life was much harder in the past than it is now). It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged. It had many purposes. Nowadays, we have laws, we can search for the meaning of life ourselves, there are different ways to experience the same sense of belonging...
Still, religion stays a very important part of the national and cultural identity for many people. Even if people aren't really religious, even if it is just the tradition, it's still a very important part of who they (think they) are. They define themselves through it to a certain extent - some more, some less. So, if someone sees themselves as a "Christian" or "Muslim" or "Catholic" or whatever - you cannot simply take away that from that person. Telling people things like: "You are silly to believe in 2000-year-old books" or "Religious organizations did numerous crimes in the past", etc. only backfires in most cases. People fight even more for their religious identity than they otherwise would.
Religions are old and conservative and they need time to change. They do change slowly. Churches become more liberal. Maybe those are tiny steps and most people don't even recognize them, but they do happen. Believers also change. Most people are "traditional believers" nowadays - religion is more a part of cultural and national identity to them than something they truly believe in. Things do change, but slowly. The same as societies or anything else. After all, have humans really changed in the last 2000 years? Aren't we biologically practically the same? We did make some progress. It's not much, but the time period is short...
In general, religious discussions - both between members of different religions and believers and atheists require a lot of knowledge, tolerance, open-mindedness, good will, patience... On forums they usually become nothing but fighting and accusing and nothing constructive comes out of them.
a few points. Still, religion stays a very important part of the national and cultural identity for many people. Even if people aren't really religious, even if it is just the tradition, it's still a very important part of who they (think they) are. They define themselves through it to a certain extent - some more, some less. So, if someone sees themselves as a "Christian" or "Muslim" or "Catholic" or whatever - you cannot simply take away that from that person. Telling people things like: "You are silly to believe in 2000-year-old books" or "Religious organizations did numerous crimes in the past", etc. only backfires in most cases. People fight even more for their religious identity than they otherwise would.
Religions are old and conservative and they need time to change. They do change slowly. Churches become more liberal. Maybe those are tiny steps and most people don't even recognize them, but they do happen. Believers also change. Most people are "traditional believers" nowadays - religion is more a part of cultural and national identity to them than something they truly believe in. Things do change, but slowly. The same as societies or anything else. After all, have humans really changed in the last 2000 years? Aren't we biologically practically the same? We did make some progress. It's not much, but the time period is short...
In general, religious discussions - both between members of different religions and believers and atheists require a lot of knowledge, tolerance, open-mindedness, good will, patience... On forums they usually become nothing but fighting and accusing and nothing constructive comes out of them.
1. Homo sapiens, originated "somewhere", (I don't buy the Africa theory, as it is "too narrow") sometime between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago. The Neanderthals and Denisovans lived over 41,000 years ago.Humans only started writing things down ~6,000 years ago (Sumerian clay tablets). We don't know too much about human species, and how they perceive religion. We don't about "Neanderthals and Denisovans" religion for example. This bring a question: Was religion part of the reason homo-sapiens drove Neanderthals and Denisovans to extinction?
2. Regarding religion origin, my guess is that religion was developed out of necessity due to rising population pressures, from small hunter group to large agricultural and sedentary societies. Population pressure is likely to be the driving force of religion, as for example in Sumeria (the case in Sumeria where the temple redistributed resources, etc. could be view that way).
3. Religions will change and adapt as society does. Freedom to practice a religion, and set up a "church"(whatever church means) same as any shop, will make old religions more proactive, as history shows. Religion is important to humans, and it will be. (How many wars have been over religion, or in name of a religion?)
4. Debating religion with most people is a complete waste of time, as most fail to recognize presuppositions or failures of faith. We don't know what's beyond the universe and what there was before it, so we cannot say as a fact that no God exists. At same time, religion doesn't have any concrete answers to these things either.
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"In the past religion brought structure to societies - it made rules and regulations and brought order to chaos"
"It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged"
Those are very good and true points.
And it's good you say intelligent things being from the Balkans.
Normally I wouldn't say anything like that(commenting on someone's location).... But.... Because of you know who,
I think it's important people who don't know the culture and people of the Balkans don't get the wrong idea.
I've been to the Balkans many times, I always love it and I love the people, and I feel very welcome and I feel at home.
The vast vast majority is kind(like the vast majority of human beings in the world)
It is very sad to see that 1 person here who claims she from the Balkans but for some reason lives in Australia is giving the beautiful Balkan culture and people a terrible name!
I feel you should comment to her and comment on her religious fanatic crazy views.( That's up to you of course if you will do that )
So people will see the beautiful Balkan culture and people isn't like "that thing" says.
"Churches become more liberal"
I don't agree with that.[/quote]
of course you don't.
btw, humans did walk on the Moon. seriously.
let it go....
"It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged"
Those are very good and true points.
And it's good you say intelligent things being from the Balkans.
Normally I wouldn't say anything like that(commenting on someone's location).... But.... Because of you know who,
I think it's important people who don't know the culture and people of the Balkans don't get the wrong idea.
I've been to the Balkans many times, I always love it and I love the people, and I feel very welcome and I feel at home.
The vast vast majority is kind(like the vast majority of human beings in the world)
It is very sad to see that 1 person here who claims she from the Balkans but for some reason lives in Australia is giving the beautiful Balkan culture and people a terrible name!
I feel you should comment to her and comment on her religious fanatic crazy views.( That's up to you of course if you will do that )
So people will see the beautiful Balkan culture and people isn't like "that thing" says.
"Churches become more liberal"
I don't agree with that.[/quote]
of course you don't.
btw, humans did walk on the Moon. seriously. let it go....
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stupid thread,
fit into that needle already-.
NO point~ with out the effort. .- God.~ you got it.
fit into that needle already-.
NO point~ with out the effort. .- God.~ you got it.
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Theway100: "In the past religion brought structure to societies - it made rules and regulations and brought order to chaos"
"It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged"
Those are very good and true points.
And it's good you say intelligent things being from the Balkans.
Normally I wouldn't say anything like that(commenting on someone's location).... But.... Because of you know who,
I think it's important people who don't know the culture and people of the Balkans don't get the wrong idea.
I've been to the Balkans many times, I always love it and I love the people, and I feel very welcome and I feel at home.
The vast vast majority is kind(like the vast majority of human beings in the world)
It is very sad to see that 1 person here who claims she from the Balkans but for some reason lives in Australia is giving the beautiful Balkan culture and people a terrible name!
I feel you should comment to her and comment on her religious fanatic crazy views.( That's up to you of course if you will do that )
So people will see the beautiful Balkan culture and people isn't like "that thing" says.
"Churches become more liberal"
I don't agree with that.
"It also made people feel like they were the part of the group, that they belonged"
Those are very good and true points.
And it's good you say intelligent things being from the Balkans.
Normally I wouldn't say anything like that(commenting on someone's location).... But.... Because of you know who,
I think it's important people who don't know the culture and people of the Balkans don't get the wrong idea.
I've been to the Balkans many times, I always love it and I love the people, and I feel very welcome and I feel at home.
The vast vast majority is kind(like the vast majority of human beings in the world)
It is very sad to see that 1 person here who claims she from the Balkans but for some reason lives in Australia is giving the beautiful Balkan culture and people a terrible name!
I feel you should comment to her and comment on her religious fanatic crazy views.( That's up to you of course if you will do that )
So people will see the beautiful Balkan culture and people isn't like "that thing" says.
"Churches become more liberal"
I don't agree with that.
Of course you do not agree, as you are from peaceful religion.
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Religion is the opium of the masses
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aries1234: Religion is the opium of the masses
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Bogart_1960: That´s my view. "Spirituality is actually pretty individual and personal". as Rumi said, "The lamps are different, but the light is the same."
" belonging, being part of something bigger than us"- Belonging to a particular group—a pack—is something that’s written into our DNA. This was the defense against the hunters in the past. and we still have it. We do have new toys, but we still acting the same as we always did -our actions are always done out of self-interest.
Most people have run away from "religions", but most are still connected to a/the tribe. The idea of "peace to all living things" is not absorbed yet.
"Peace to all living things" said Lion to all his prays. " belonging, being part of something bigger than us"- Belonging to a particular group—a pack—is something that’s written into our DNA. This was the defense against the hunters in the past. and we still have it. We do have new toys, but we still acting the same as we always did -our actions are always done out of self-interest.
Most people have run away from "religions", but most are still connected to a/the tribe. The idea of "peace to all living things" is not absorbed yet.
Noble thought, indeed. How many colonies your country conquered ? You know, if western countries stop invading other countrues - maybe we could all preach peace in the world. .
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rainbowdream2017: "Peace to all living things" said Lion to all his prays. Noble thought, indeed.
How many colonies your country conquered ? You know, if western countries stop invading other countrues - maybe we could all preach peace in the world. .
Meta-stupid. Your tinfoil hat's slipped again, dolt ?How many colonies your country conquered ? You know, if western countries stop invading other countrues - maybe we could all preach peace in the world. .
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary stupidity before attempting to impress us with your moronic opinions and malformed comments.
poor fish, stupid beyond the laws of nature...!!
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This Devils' Work Day-
i Could buy myself a reason.
I could sell myself a Job.
i could hang myself : on treason.
For i am: my own dam god.
i Could buy myself a reason.
I could sell myself a Job.
i could hang myself : on treason.
For i am: my own dam god.
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Bogart_1960: Meta-stupid. Your tinfoil hat's slipped again, dolt ?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary stupidity before attempting to impress us with your moronic opinions and malformed comments.
poor fish, stupid beyond the laws of nature...!!
Your king of stupidity! Try to edit your responses of unnecessary stupidity before attempting to impress us with your moronic opinions and malformed comments.
poor fish, stupid beyond the laws of nature...!!
Who can challenge dicket moron.
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rainbowdream2017: Your king of stupidity!
Who can challenge dicket moron.
Who can challenge dicket moron.
rainbowdream2017: Your king of stupidity!
Who can challenge dicket moron.
dam imps-Who can challenge dicket moron.
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" belonging, being part of something bigger than us"- Belonging to a particular group—a pack—is something that’s written into our DNA. This was the defense against the hunters in the past. and we still have it. We do have new toys, but we still acting the same as we always did -our actions are always done out of self-interest.
Most people have run away from "religions", but most are still connected to a/the tribe. The idea of "peace to all living things" is not absorbed yet.
Still, religion stays a very important part of the national and cultural identity for many people. Even if people aren't really religious, even if it is just the tradition, it's still a very important part of who they (think they) are. They define themselves through it to a certain extent - some more, some less. So, if someone sees themselves as a "Christian" or "Muslim" or "Catholic" or whatever - you cannot simply take away that from that person. Telling people things like: "You are silly to believe in 2000-year-old books" or "Religious organizations did numerous crimes in the past", etc. only backfires in most cases. People fight even more for their religious identity than they otherwise would.
Religions are old and conservative and they need time to change. They do change slowly. Churches become more liberal. Maybe those are tiny steps and most people don't even recognize them, but they do happen. Believers also change. Most people are "traditional believers" nowadays - religion is more a part of cultural and national identity to them than something they truly believe in. Things do change, but slowly. The same as societies or anything else. After all, have humans really changed in the last 2000 years? Aren't we biologically practically the same? We did make some progress. It's not much, but the time period is short...
In general, religious discussions - both between members of different religions and believers and atheists require a lot of knowledge, tolerance, open-mindedness, good will, patience... On forums they usually become nothing but fighting and accusing and nothing constructive comes out of them.