Men's value increase with age and women decrease... (17)

I'm sorry. If you really believe that, I think I understand why men without notice stop calling you (reference to the earlier thread yesterday). Beliefs like that have a way of bubbling up to the surface.

At least in the U.S., women and men are about as equal is they've ever been in history. I can't speak much about Europe and Asia. I have spent relative less time there. In my opinion, religion is not the root of the inequality. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been so prevalent throughout history, even when major religions differ in their beliefs. Case in point, you mention Christianity as being the root, but in Japan, women are still treated as inferior, even though Christianity has never had much of a following there.

IMO the reason why men dominated through history is because of their greater physical strength. They became the hunters while the women took care of the children. I'm not defending how women have been treated in the past, but I don't buy that Christianity has anything to do with it.

Hello Smoky; you are certainly correct about our Earth being our womb of us humans; She is our only home...so far.
In your readings, I hope you have come across The Jesus Papers by Michel Baigent as the author does provide a well researched and erudite accounting of why, how and by whom this negative attitude and dogma, really, exists against women started, if nothing else pertaining to his theory(ies) of the crucifiction. For myself, I feel that he did not go back far enough in history or traditions of the religions that came to be after the downfall of ancient Babylon and the fracturing of it's "state religion" into sects that finally formed what can be termed the "first monotheistic" religion, which fractured further into Judaic sects with ultimately one forming the barring of women and the subservience of women that still permeates today. The study of Ancient Babylon's religion , I think, is the key.
Theirs was a true merging of State, religion and science. No other civilization achieved such a total, complete integration. The king, was also the high priest. Marduk's rule was the point of rupture. It became the point of a new "creationism", if you will, forming the core of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Everything that could have gone wrong has, basically, gone wrong since; no thanks to that lunatic Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh in Ireland, who calculated from the opening verses of Genesis the precise day and even the very moment of the world's creation, in the year 4004BC. Tragically, this belief, known as "Creationism" has taken on science as its adversary; science, being firmly wed to the Theory of Evolution, has met this challenge and the battle continues. But, I'm digressing...
The Catholic Church that I am familiar with has, since it's recognition of Christ's mother, the Virgin Mary, has always been and still is the only religion to recognize women as equal to men; it is not in any way whatsoever a "democracy" but a monarchical system s given by Christ's teaching and as the oldest form known to Mankind since the very foist known civilization: the Sumerian.
The writings on, about and by women of the Church, be they lay women, nuns, Mother Superiors, mystics and Saints are too many to list that give their thoughts on their places within it's system. But as with anything, libraries filled with knowledge do little good for a closed, calcified mind that no longer is fluid enough to absorb other material other than which justifies its bias and hostility.
Many Roman Catholics wonder why the seemingly monopoly of power in Italians...it always seems that only they make up the power blocks; why have so many non-Italian Popes been murdered...impressions, realities and theology often clash and tends to blur what is or is not. Non-Catholics are even more confused and misdirected by their own personal and/ or secular impressions. They are outsiders and hence, have no intimate understanding nor comprehension of the Church; as 99% pf Christians have no understanding, comprehension or even interest in the Moslem Faith or of inside the Mosques, the various sects or their teachings; 99% of Christians could not tell of any differences between the Sunnis, Shi-ites or the Sufis; yet many feel compelled to ridicule, criticize and as usual, condemn what they do not know or understand.; after all, it is their secular democratic right to remain ignorant and by God, they will exercise that right! I believe that it was G.K. Chesterton, author of The Everlasting Man; fantastic book, who once said, "if I wasn't a Catholic, by God, I'd be a Moslem!" Anyway, enough! I ramble...

I lived with a woman that was 17 years younger than me, and we were together for 5 years.

She always assumed that I would want someone more interesting and as such was very insecure about herself as she was in awe of my travelling experiences and knowledge of the places I had visited.

Nothing I could do would convince her she was as valuable to me as I was to her. She could not see that people wanted to know her and as she was, physically, very attractive person, people wanted to employ her for all of the wrong reasons, but they still wanted to do it.

She finally realised her dream to be cabin crew, and that is a very superficial employment realm.

We had very little in common, but it lasted.

Age is immaterial when talking about people's worth.
In fact to be totally honest, in certain environments, the value of human beings is zero.

We look at ourselves and we have the pomposity to assume we are more valuable than a 85 year old woman who has fished for 70 years to feed her family, has outlived her three sons, her husband and still gets into a row boat and rows out into the middle of the sea. Plays out 3 miles of fishing line and then reels the lot in. Just so that she can feed her grandchildren. I know this woman, she lives in Corfu and when I went back there, after 15 years, this year, the "Iron Woman" is still fishing!

Your value to society is immeasurable. Do not discount your contribution to your own society because it is percieved less than your neighbour who is a brain surgeon!

Our value is in our intelligence and our ability to see beyond our conditioning. But only when you can do that, can you really see others for their short-sightedness and ignorance.

Smoky, I was just voicing an opinion, which I thought was allowed. It wasn't meant as an attack on your character. Apparently, I struck a nerve. I'm sorry about that.

Let's start over. Hi. I'm Nelson and I'm new here.

Are we talking about value here or power? Let's not confuse the two...

Do you know many women who are looking for a very handsome man and do you know many men who are looking for a very rich and powerful woman? Nope.

This saying is true in the sense that a man has more value when he is wealthy and able to support his family and a woman has more value when she is attractive and goodlooking because this is the first thing a man is looking for...sadly or not.

Of course this is only valid in romantic relationships and has nothing to do with the business world... I think a woman being young and beautiful in work field is at disadvantage and in many cases unwanted.

Since you mentioned religion, in my humble opinion, both christianity and muslim societies have undervalued women. In both religions God is masculine, and in both religions women have been considered evil in the past and of lower rank as opposed to men.

Please don't talk to me about muslim equality! In these countries women stay at home, have 5-6 kids and their only power is regarding household...Does this sound like equality to you?

I hope I did not offend anyone with my beliefs!