Oil producers say we need to limit oil based products not just supplies to have a greener planet (11)
galrads: Oil producers say we need to limit oil based products.....
Come again?Are you *sure* oil producers are saying this? Would not any Board of Directors / Shareholders be pounding the table, seeking a change in management?
I know, it's perhaps splitting hairs.
But we could have had Earth-produced, wireless energy production by 1905, but financial backer to the inventor, Nikola Tesla (inventor of alternating current and over 700 other patents), J.P. Morgan put the kay-bosh to that.
"Nikola Tesla, who is still not well known enough, is perhaps the most well-known inventor in modern times, to push for, and develop a solution for, FREE ENERGY. If you don’t know the story, Tesla was building hi Wardenclyffe Tower in Calverton Long Island, with investment money from JP Morgan.
"More than half way into construction, JP Morgan asked Tesla this question: “Now Mr. Tesla, where are we going to put the meters?”… To which Tesla, the humanitarian inventor replied, “Meters? No, there will be no meters. This is my gift to the world!”
"Well, Moneybags Morgan didn’t like the sound of that, as it meant missing out on untold fortunes. So he responded by knocking down the nearly completed tower which would have delivered Free Energy to the ENTIRE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, and burning Tesla’s laboratories with all of his research and paperwork in it."
Now, that is a greatly time-compressed and simplified statement of facts, but ultimately true. Tesla was a brilliant man, easily 200 years ahead of his time. Supposedly, U.S. government agents seized his scientific notes upon his death in 1943, and a great body of them, supposedly, remain classified to this day.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Stanley Meyer supposedly invented an engine that split water into hydrogen and oxygen, running on the hydrogen, and releasing the oxygen back into the atmosphere. Reportedly, the day after signing a contract with the government to construct the engine:
"Stanley took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him, ‘What’s wrong?’
He said, ‘They poisoned me.’ That was his dying declaration."
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When you have the monied interests of oil and automobile producers being impacted by a revolutionary invention, be it Earth-based wireless energy, or an engine that runs by splitting water molecules, things tend to go -- how shall we say -- not as planned?
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Google ‘Shell to cut emissions’ for one example .
Bohemund: Come again?
Are you *sure* oil producers are saying this? Would not any Board of Directors / Shareholders be pounding the table, seeking a change in management?
I know, it's perhaps splitting hairs.
But we could have had Earth-produced, wireless energy production by 1905, but financial backer to the inventor, Nikola Tesla (inventor of alternating current and over 700 other patents), J.P. Morgan put the kay-bosh to that.
"Nikola Tesla, who is still not well known enough, is perhaps the most well-known inventor in modern times, to push for, and develop a solution for, FREE ENERGY. If you don’t know the story, Tesla was building hi Wardenclyffe Tower in Calverton Long Island, with investment money from JP Morgan.
"More than half way into construction, JP Morgan asked Tesla this question: “Now Mr. Tesla, where are we going to put the meters?”… To which Tesla, the humanitarian inventor replied, “Meters? No, there will be no meters. This is my gift to the world!”
"Well, Moneybags Morgan didn’t like the sound of that, as it meant missing out on untold fortunes. So he responded by knocking down the nearly completed tower which would have delivered Free Energy to the ENTIRE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, and burning Tesla’s laboratories with all of his research and paperwork in it."
Now, that is a greatly time-compressed and simplified statement of facts, but ultimately true. Tesla was a brilliant man, easily 200 years ahead of his time. Supposedly, U.S. government agents seized his scientific notes upon his death in 1943, and a great body of them, supposedly, remain classified to this day.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Stanley Meyer supposedly invented an engine that split water into hydrogen and oxygen, running on the hydrogen, and releasing the oxygen back into the atmosphere. Reportedly, the day after signing a contract with the government to construct the engine:
"Stanley took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him, ‘What’s wrong?’
He said, ‘They poisoned me.’ That was his dying declaration."
~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20Stanley%20Meyer%2C%20the%20man,idea%20of%20the%20Water%20Powered%20Car%20was%20rejected.
When you have the monied interests of oil and automobile producers being impacted by a revolutionary invention, be it Earth-based wireless energy, or an engine that runs by splitting water molecules, things tend to go -- how shall we say -- not as planned?
Are you *sure* oil producers are saying this? Would not any Board of Directors / Shareholders be pounding the table, seeking a change in management?
I know, it's perhaps splitting hairs.
But we could have had Earth-produced, wireless energy production by 1905, but financial backer to the inventor, Nikola Tesla (inventor of alternating current and over 700 other patents), J.P. Morgan put the kay-bosh to that.
"Nikola Tesla, who is still not well known enough, is perhaps the most well-known inventor in modern times, to push for, and develop a solution for, FREE ENERGY. If you don’t know the story, Tesla was building hi Wardenclyffe Tower in Calverton Long Island, with investment money from JP Morgan.
"More than half way into construction, JP Morgan asked Tesla this question: “Now Mr. Tesla, where are we going to put the meters?”… To which Tesla, the humanitarian inventor replied, “Meters? No, there will be no meters. This is my gift to the world!”
"Well, Moneybags Morgan didn’t like the sound of that, as it meant missing out on untold fortunes. So he responded by knocking down the nearly completed tower which would have delivered Free Energy to the ENTIRE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, and burning Tesla’s laboratories with all of his research and paperwork in it."
Now, that is a greatly time-compressed and simplified statement of facts, but ultimately true. Tesla was a brilliant man, easily 200 years ahead of his time. Supposedly, U.S. government agents seized his scientific notes upon his death in 1943, and a great body of them, supposedly, remain classified to this day.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Stanley Meyer supposedly invented an engine that split water into hydrogen and oxygen, running on the hydrogen, and releasing the oxygen back into the atmosphere. Reportedly, the day after signing a contract with the government to construct the engine:
"Stanley took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him, ‘What’s wrong?’
He said, ‘They poisoned me.’ That was his dying declaration."
~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20Stanley%20Meyer%2C%20the%20man,idea%20of%20the%20Water%20Powered%20Car%20was%20rejected.
When you have the monied interests of oil and automobile producers being impacted by a revolutionary invention, be it Earth-based wireless energy, or an engine that runs by splitting water molecules, things tend to go -- how shall we say -- not as planned?
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Just my opinion here...Shell Oil doesn’t care about cutting emissions for greener planet...Like all big corporations, it is a way for them to justify paying higher prices for everything.
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galrads: Google ‘Shell to cut emissions’ for one example .
Yes, and it seems it took some prompting. "On Wednesday the civil court ruled that by 2030, Shell must cut its CO2 emissions by 45% compared to 2019 levels. It said the oil giant is responsible for CO2 emissions of the Shell group and its suppliers. Under the terms of the Paris Agreement, nearly 200 nations agreed to keep global temperatures "well below" 2C above pre-industrial levels."
I'm not here to quibble. I see your point that fossil fuels have many indirect impacts in other aspects of our lives.
Certainly, until workable fission comes online, or free energy from the Earth, or H2O splitting is permitted (assuming the patents don't get bought up and pigeon-holed, or the inventor receives a soul crushing Secrecy Letter (https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html) classifying his invention, our only viable source of energy and many other products, are petroleum-based.
I guess my point was, not to quibble, but to note that oil companies rarely do good things without a court order or some other form of compulsion.
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Bohemund: Come again?
Are you *sure* oil producers are saying this? Would not any Board of Directors / Shareholders be pounding the table, seeking a change in management?
I know, it's perhaps splitting hairs.
But we could have had Earth-produced, wireless energy production by 1905, but financial backer to the inventor, Nikola Tesla (inventor of alternating current and over 700 other patents), J.P. Morgan put the kay-bosh to that.
"Nikola Tesla, who is still not well known enough, is perhaps the most well-known inventor in modern times, to push for, and develop a solution for, FREE ENERGY. If you don’t know the story, Tesla was building hi Wardenclyffe Tower in Calverton Long Island, with investment money from JP Morgan.
"More than half way into construction, JP Morgan asked Tesla this question: “Now Mr. Tesla, where are we going to put the meters?”… To which Tesla, the humanitarian inventor replied, “Meters? No, there will be no meters. This is my gift to the world!”
"Well, Moneybags Morgan didn’t like the sound of that, as it meant missing out on untold fortunes. So he responded by knocking down the nearly completed tower which would have delivered Free Energy to the ENTIRE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, and burning Tesla’s laboratories with all of his research and paperwork in it."
Now, that is a greatly time-compressed and simplified statement of facts, but ultimately true. Tesla was a brilliant man, easily 200 years ahead of his time. Supposedly, U.S. government agents seized his scientific notes upon his death in 1943, and a great body of them, supposedly, remain classified to this day.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Stanley Meyer supposedly invented an engine that split water into hydrogen and oxygen, running on the hydrogen, and releasing the oxygen back into the atmosphere. Reportedly, the day after signing a contract with the government to construct the engine:
"Stanley took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him, ‘What’s wrong?’
He said, ‘They poisoned me.’ That was his dying declaration."
~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20Stanley%20Meyer%2C%20the%20man,idea%20of%20the%20Water%20Powered%20Car%20was%20rejected.
When you have the monied interests of oil and automobile producers being impacted by a revolutionary invention, be it Earth-based wireless energy, or an engine that runs by splitting water molecules, things tend to go -- how shall we say -- not as planned?
I bet Tesla could have pulled it off... Same ole cancel culture is alive and well in this country... Are you *sure* oil producers are saying this? Would not any Board of Directors / Shareholders be pounding the table, seeking a change in management?
I know, it's perhaps splitting hairs.
But we could have had Earth-produced, wireless energy production by 1905, but financial backer to the inventor, Nikola Tesla (inventor of alternating current and over 700 other patents), J.P. Morgan put the kay-bosh to that.
"Nikola Tesla, who is still not well known enough, is perhaps the most well-known inventor in modern times, to push for, and develop a solution for, FREE ENERGY. If you don’t know the story, Tesla was building hi Wardenclyffe Tower in Calverton Long Island, with investment money from JP Morgan.
"More than half way into construction, JP Morgan asked Tesla this question: “Now Mr. Tesla, where are we going to put the meters?”… To which Tesla, the humanitarian inventor replied, “Meters? No, there will be no meters. This is my gift to the world!”
"Well, Moneybags Morgan didn’t like the sound of that, as it meant missing out on untold fortunes. So he responded by knocking down the nearly completed tower which would have delivered Free Energy to the ENTIRE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES, and burning Tesla’s laboratories with all of his research and paperwork in it."
Now, that is a greatly time-compressed and simplified statement of facts, but ultimately true. Tesla was a brilliant man, easily 200 years ahead of his time. Supposedly, U.S. government agents seized his scientific notes upon his death in 1943, and a great body of them, supposedly, remain classified to this day.
Similarly, in the 1970's, Stanley Meyer supposedly invented an engine that split water into hydrogen and oxygen, running on the hydrogen, and releasing the oxygen back into the atmosphere. Reportedly, the day after signing a contract with the government to construct the engine:
"Stanley took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him, ‘What’s wrong?’
He said, ‘They poisoned me.’ That was his dying declaration."
~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20Stanley%20Meyer%2C%20the%20man,idea%20of%20the%20Water%20Powered%20Car%20was%20rejected.
When you have the monied interests of oil and automobile producers being impacted by a revolutionary invention, be it Earth-based wireless energy, or an engine that runs by splitting water molecules, things tend to go -- how shall we say -- not as planned?
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mikey4691: I bet Tesla could have pulled it off... Same ole cancel culture is alive and well in this country...
Actually, the Tesla subject has been of great personal interest (sorry Galrads, not to drag the thread off-topic).I have been researching this guy closely, right down to traveling to Belgrade to visit the National Tesla museum and interview one of the curators. Even got to see some of the boxes of Tesla's files allegedly seized by government agents in 1943, subsequently released to Tesla's nephew.
Indeed, it involved a great deal of other, alternative energy sources and their sordid history of suppression.
Got to tour the facilities at CERN and hope to tour ITER (fusion energy) at some point in the future.
Fascinating topic.
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galrads: Oil companies are being looked at to reduce emissions. They say we need to look at fossil fuel demands, not just supply, to achieve the greener planet some people desire.
Is anyone willing to give up any of these oil based products to help fight climate change aka global warming?
Anyone have an opinion on this fossil fuel issue?
I think we can do without most things in this list especially cosmetics but keep making dentures and asphalt that covers everything to provide street and highway pavement.
That is just funny bs. They created it all, and created a market for it. And now they blame us that we use their products.Is anyone willing to give up any of these oil based products to help fight climate change aka global warming?
Anyone have an opinion on this fossil fuel issue?
I think we can do without most things in this list especially cosmetics but keep making dentures and asphalt that covers everything to provide street and highway pavement.
It's like baking a pie for your beloved ones and saying that they can't eat it.
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PeKaatje: That is just funny bs. They created it all, and created a market for it. And now they blame us that we use their products.
It's like baking a pie for your beloved ones and saying that they can't eat it.
It's like baking a pie for your beloved ones and saying that they can't eat it.
In a way yes. But, in this case, Shell is correct. One of the things Shell is saying is that although they can and will reduce their own stationary production emissions, it wont be enough to achieve the beautiful green planet which green people want.The manufacturers of the oil based products listed in the op not only buy and use fossil fuels in their manufacturing process generating stationary pollution emissions but also use the oil as ingrediants to make the products they see.
So, in the process of making whatever these companies manufacture. Shell is sayin that reducing their own stationary pollution sources while making oil based products for end users isn’t going to be enough to get that green planet goal without reducing the use of oil based products.
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gonelikethewimd: Just my opinion here...Shell Oil doesn’t care about cutting emissions for greener planet...Like all big corporations, it is a way for them to justify paying higher prices for everything.
Oil companies are a little uptight and tell governments don’t look to only us if you want stop climate change because oil products are used in manufacturing of many popular things. The oil companies are right when they say people using oil products have to lower their demand and clean up their own processes if we want to see positive change in the environment.------ This thread is Archived ------
galrads: Oil companies are being looked at to reduce emissions. They say we need to look at fossil fuel demands, not just supply, to achieve the greener planet some people desire.
Is anyone willing to give up any of these oil based products to help fight climate change aka global warming?
Anyone have an opinion on this fossil fuel issue?
I think we can do without most things in this list especially cosmetics but keep making dentures and asphalt that covers everything to provide street and highway pavement.
"There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn't want to see. There is no worse deaf man than the want who doesn't want to hear.Is anyone willing to give up any of these oil based products to help fight climate change aka global warming?
Anyone have an opinion on this fossil fuel issue?
I think we can do without most things in this list especially cosmetics but keep making dentures and asphalt that covers everything to provide street and highway pavement.
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Is anyone willing to give up any of these oil based products to help fight climate change aka global warming?
Anyone have an opinion on this fossil fuel issue?
I think we can do without most things in this list especially cosmetics but keep making dentures and asphalt that covers everything to provide street and highway pavement.