Diana's Impact (192)
Youcannow: Again , no facts to support your argument..
Who pays for all the royal residences ?
Did you know , if the queen has a public appointment, it costs the taxpayer millions just in security.
Shall I go on….. ?
May I suggest googling the Honourable Roddy to keep you in step. You can pretend all you want but that's just one exampleWho pays for all the royal residences ?
Did you know , if the queen has a public appointment, it costs the taxpayer millions just in security.
Shall I go on….. ?
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Selenite: I beg to differ!!!
The example I used is real! The children were school friends of my daughters. They lived in a council flat, she worked and so did her husband. Very low wages. They were very hard up and couldn't afford their kids stuff without planning (beyond budgeting) yet she was in awe of the royal family. Nothing I could say would sway her ...
I thought some of the taxes went on the royals.... II stand corrected ...
There are poor people everywhere selenite, not just in England. They are always with usThe example I used is real! The children were school friends of my daughters. They lived in a council flat, she worked and so did her husband. Very low wages. They were very hard up and couldn't afford their kids stuff without planning (beyond budgeting) yet she was in awe of the royal family. Nothing I could say would sway her ...
I thought some of the taxes went on the royals.... II stand corrected ...
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tomcatty: Where does money for the Sovereign Grant come from?
The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
The regent street holdings are own by the late duke of Westminster. The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
I know because I had property there .
You haven’t proved a thing regrading any public taxes funding the royal family .
You’ve just copy & pasted an article which isn’t relevant .
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tomcatty: Where does money for the Sovereign Grant come from?
The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
Yes of course Tomcat.The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
Thanks for reminding me. every time a stamp, coin has the Queens face, we pay royalties.
Pretty funny when you think about it. It wasn't so funny when I was on an aircraft carrier from Plymouth going to Iraq though
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MrBoDangles: May I suggest googling the Honourable Roddy to keep you in step. You can pretend all you want but that's just one example
Can you translate that in English? 
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Youcannow: The regent street holdings are own by the late duke of Westminster.
I know because I had property there .
You haven’t proved a thing regrading any public taxes funding the royal family .
You’ve just copy & pasted an article which isn’t relevant .
Sorry I don't have something written in Old English on parchment, oh were you on the streets in that areaI know because I had property there .
You haven’t proved a thing regrading any public taxes funding the royal family .
You’ve just copy & pasted an article which isn’t relevant .
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tomcatty: Where does money for the Sovereign Grant come from?
The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2021/03/09/the-growing-cost-of-the-royal-family-to-uk-taxpayers-infographic/The payment is based on the profits of the Crown Estate, a property business owned by the monarch but run independently.
Among its holdings are Regent Street in London and the Ascot racecourse in Berkshire.
The Crown Estate is controlled by a management board whose main duty is to maintain and enhance the value of the property "for the benefit of the nation's finances".
It is not the private property of the Queen - it merely belongs to the monarch for the duration of their reign. This means the Queen can't sell the Crown Estate or keep the revenue for herself.
If you don't like the kitchen get out
Extract from the above article: ... "Interestingly, taxpayers in the United Kingdom are paying more money than ever for the institution with the latest Sovereign Grant accounts showing that it cost £69.4 million in 2020 ($96.28 million). The system of financing Britain's royals is complex but in a nutshell, Britain's government makes a payment called the Sovereign Grant to the Royal Household every year.
The value of that payment is determined by how much the Crown Estate real estate portfolio has brought in. In the 2020 financial year which ended on March 31, it came to £82.4 million with the monarchy spending just under £70 million on official duties such as travel or property maintenance. A ten-year project to renovate Buckingham Palace is one of the key reasons expenditure is rising with electrical, heating and plumbing systems dating from the 1950s set to be replaced along with wiring and piping while asbestos is also being removed." ...
Extract from the royal finances oficial page:
... "In reality, the Royal Household is committed to ensuring that public money is spent as wisely and efficiently as possible."...
So they themselves are saying they DO spend public money (tax payers money) ...
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tomcatty: Sorry I don't have something written in Old English on parchment, oh were you on the streets in that area
C'mon Tom, you're from Plymouth.Let's just forget about Canterbury with Fijian soldiers. Let's just pretend that the Commonwealth doesn't matter........let's just pretend that the piss up on the barbican (spelling) meant nothing,
You wouldn't have a farkn clue.....you're right mate, take your 30 gold sovereigns and make a pastie lol.
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tomcatty: There are poor people everywhere selenite, not just in England. They are always with us
I know Tom!! What II was saying was my surprise and shock that poor people are in awe of the royals who DO spend public money as I just researched an found.. I shared the link in my post just previous to this one ...
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This discussing is very arugementive imo
come mon guys
come mon guys
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EXRED3: Nothing in life happens that does not have a knock on effect, just saying.
This lady still is having an effect on more than her sons too.
This lady still is having an effect on more than her sons too.
tomcatty: I think every one of us alters the fabric of existence, some more than others
I think I have been altered, by her existence, simply because her life impacted on my consciousness although not in a material way.
She has altered your outlook and prompted your questionJMO
I think I have been altered, by her existence, simply because her life impacted on my consciousness although not in a material way.
She has altered your outlook and prompted your questionJMO
Happygolucky4u: I think everyone who walks through this life changes it in some way. Be it large or small. I also believe that their death will impact change on those they touched that will contnue on. I would not be the same if she had lived and maintained a relationship with Dodi Fayed. Their presence as well as yours would shift change in the world. No matter how big or small. So no matter how big or small I would be shifted because of these presences. Example: If you were not here I would not be responding to your thread which means I would be doing something else. No matter how big or small.
I just gave myself a headache
This is what I was what was driving at.I just gave myself a headache
Diana lived, she did some stuff and then she died.
Some of that stuff she did had a profund impact upon some people on an individual level and some of it had a profound collective impact.
She changed me on an individual level, if for no other reason than I became aware of Angola and landmines.
She changed the world, if for no other reason than she supported the Red Cross' campaign, she provoked international debate and the United Nations banned the use of landmines 12 months later.
I think she was quite canny about the things she thought, or agreed to do. Hugging AIDS patients, walking alongside a minefield all geared up, or visiting people in their council flats offering to match funds raised for a sick child were simple acts with complex effects.
Imagine if she had just paid for those sick children to access treatment it would have been 'Diana saved this child', rather a mother being able to say 'I saved my child's life and my friend/colleague Diana was a part of the team; she unburdened me and spurred me on in a profound way'.
She used her power and influence cleverly, as much as possible without eclipsing the power and value of other people. That methodolgy increased her power and influence as more and more people were affected by her actions.
If Diana said, or did, people listened. She was very socially skilled both face to face and at a distance. She could inhabit elite and non-elite environments within different cultures. That's a personal skill, not just about privilege.
If Diana had lived, particularly with Dodi, would she have remained silent about wars, refugees and Christian/Muslim conflicts and prejudices?
Would people have held on to any of their prejudices if Diana had challenged them in her simple, but profound way?
Personally, I think we might be living in quite a different political environment and culture had she lived.
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pedro27: This discussing is very arugementive imo
come mon guys
There’s only one common denominator where that’s concerned. come mon guys
If I said something was black , he would say white .
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MrBoDangles: C'mon Tom, you're from Plymouth.
Let's just forget about Canterbury with Fijian soldiers. Let's just pretend that the Commonwealth doesn't matter........let's just pretend that the piss up on the barbican (spelling) meant nothing,
You wouldn't have a farkn clue.....you're right mate, take your 30 gold sovereigns and make a pastie lol.
I know things are getting expensive, 30 sovereigns for a pasty seems excessive. oh you missed out Union St, all you sailors used to go thereLet's just forget about Canterbury with Fijian soldiers. Let's just pretend that the Commonwealth doesn't matter........let's just pretend that the piss up on the barbican (spelling) meant nothing,
You wouldn't have a farkn clue.....you're right mate, take your 30 gold sovereigns and make a pastie lol.
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jac_the_gripper: This is what I was what was driving at.
Diana lived, she did some stuff and then she died.
Some of that stuff she did had a profund impact upon some people on an individual level and some of it had a profound collective impact.
She changed me on an individual level, if for no other reason than I became aware of Angola and landmines.
She changed the world, if for no other reason than she supported the Red Cross' campaign, she provoked international debate and the United Nations banned the use of landmines 12 months later.
I think she was quite canny about the things she thought, or agreed to do. Hugging AIDS patients, walking alongside a minefield all geared up, or visiting people in their council flats offering to match funds raised for a sick child were simple acts with complex effects.
Imagine if she had just paid for those sick children to access treatment it would have been 'Diana saved this child', rather a mother being able to say 'I saved my child's life and my friend/colleague Diana was a part of the team; she unburdened me and spurred me on in a profound way'.
She used her power and influence cleverly, as much as possible without eclipsing the power and value of other people. That methodolgy increased her power and influence as more and more people were affected by her actions.
If Diana said, or did, people listened. She was very socially skilled both face to face and at a distance. She could inhabit elite and non-elite environments within different cultures. That's a personal skill, not just about privilege.
If Diana had lived, particularly with Dodi, would she have remained silent about wars, refugees and Christian/Muslim conflicts and prejudices?
Would people have held on to any of their prejudices if Diana had challenged them in her simple, but profound way?
Personally, I think we might be living in quite a different political environment and culture had she lived.
She also taught people that infidelity was acceptable.Diana lived, she did some stuff and then she died.
Some of that stuff she did had a profund impact upon some people on an individual level and some of it had a profound collective impact.
She changed me on an individual level, if for no other reason than I became aware of Angola and landmines.
She changed the world, if for no other reason than she supported the Red Cross' campaign, she provoked international debate and the United Nations banned the use of landmines 12 months later.
I think she was quite canny about the things she thought, or agreed to do. Hugging AIDS patients, walking alongside a minefield all geared up, or visiting people in their council flats offering to match funds raised for a sick child were simple acts with complex effects.
Imagine if she had just paid for those sick children to access treatment it would have been 'Diana saved this child', rather a mother being able to say 'I saved my child's life and my friend/colleague Diana was a part of the team; she unburdened me and spurred me on in a profound way'.
She used her power and influence cleverly, as much as possible without eclipsing the power and value of other people. That methodolgy increased her power and influence as more and more people were affected by her actions.
If Diana said, or did, people listened. She was very socially skilled both face to face and at a distance. She could inhabit elite and non-elite environments within different cultures. That's a personal skill, not just about privilege.
If Diana had lived, particularly with Dodi, would she have remained silent about wars, refugees and Christian/Muslim conflicts and prejudices?
Would people have held on to any of their prejudices if Diana had challenged them in her simple, but profound way?
Personally, I think we might be living in quite a different political environment and culture had she lived.
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Youcannow: She also taught people that infidelity was acceptable.
Her husband did that ... but he didn't get topped off ... Infidelity has never seemed to bother male monarchs!!
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Selenite: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2021/03/09/the-growing-cost-of-the-royal-family-to-uk-taxpayers-infographic/
Extract from the above article: ... "Interestingly, taxpayers in the United Kingdom are paying more money than ever for the institution with the latest Sovereign Grant accounts showing that it cost £69.4 million in 2020 ($96.28 million). The system of financing Britain's royals is complex but in a nutshell, Britain's government makes a payment called the Sovereign Grant to the Royal Household every year.
The value of that payment is determined by how much the Crown Estate real estate portfolio has brought in. In the 2020 financial year which ended on March 31, it came to £82.4 million with the monarchy spending just under £70 million on official duties such as travel or property maintenance. A ten-year project to renovate Buckingham Palace is one of the key reasons expenditure is rising with electrical, heating and plumbing systems dating from the 1950s set to be replaced along with wiring and piping while asbestos is also being removed." ...
Extract from the royal finances oficial page:
... "In reality, the Royal Household is committed to ensuring that public money is spent as wisely and efficiently as possible."...
So they themselves are saying they DO spend public money (tax payers money) ...
I remember when the queen was to make a public appearance in Mayfair ( can’t remember the what for ) but the special police surveillance was researching for 2 months prior to her engagement.Extract from the above article: ... "Interestingly, taxpayers in the United Kingdom are paying more money than ever for the institution with the latest Sovereign Grant accounts showing that it cost £69.4 million in 2020 ($96.28 million). The system of financing Britain's royals is complex but in a nutshell, Britain's government makes a payment called the Sovereign Grant to the Royal Household every year.
The value of that payment is determined by how much the Crown Estate real estate portfolio has brought in. In the 2020 financial year which ended on March 31, it came to £82.4 million with the monarchy spending just under £70 million on official duties such as travel or property maintenance. A ten-year project to renovate Buckingham Palace is one of the key reasons expenditure is rising with electrical, heating and plumbing systems dating from the 1950s set to be replaced along with wiring and piping while asbestos is also being removed." ...
Extract from the royal finances oficial page:
... "In reality, the Royal Household is committed to ensuring that public money is spent as wisely and efficiently as possible."...
So they themselves are saying they DO spend public money (tax payers money) ...
The whole project cost millions in taxpayers money , unless she paid in cash
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Selenite: I know Tom!!
What II was saying was my surprise and shock that poor people are in awe of the royals who DO spend public money as I just researched an found.. I shared the link in my post just previous to this one ...
Then let me help you, we robbed the Spanish blind, the Queen sending privateers (pirates) to plunder the gold the Spanish were stealing from elsewhere, The crown amassed an immense fortune in this way, but I wasn't there so you can't blame me.What II was saying was my surprise and shock that poor people are in awe of the royals who DO spend public money as I just researched an found.. I shared the link in my post just previous to this one ...
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tomcatty: I know things are getting expensive, 30 sovereigns for a pasty seems excessive. oh you missed out Union St, all you sailors used to go there
Fair enough, to be fair though. I was impressed by the wannabee swimming pools.According to sources, you frequent the swift quite often.
BTW, with that pistol in your hand (avatar)........have you ever actually shot one?
God knows why I'm saying this but anyway. I was billeted to Plympton and Exeter with a sojourn to Hereford.
Tell me Tomcat, have you ever shot that pistol or is that just for show?
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Selenite: Her husband did that ... but he didn't get topped off ...
Infidelity has never seemed to bother male monarchs!!
That’s how the monarchy works unfortunately.Infidelity has never seemed to bother male monarchs!!
But at least he kept it private , unlike Diana .
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However , he was rejected when applying for British citizenship after his son’s involvement with Diana.