Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers..... ( Archived) (19)

Aug 29, 2007 3:54 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Yaya248
Yaya248Yaya248St Andrews, Fife, Scotland UK22 Threads 218 Posts
The kids have only been back at school a week, but I've alreadu tolerated enough crap form my sons' teachers, and am DELIGHTED to have made the decision to pull him out for good. It's actually a RELIEF!

Downside is that I now have to argue my case with the education department and 'prove' that what the school was providing did not serve my child's needs.

Some of you know that my son is Autistic, and had always been home schooled part-time, but his teachers at school are so fired up on 'Management' of Autism - which serves STAFF and NOT Pupils, as opposed to Treatment and Recovery of Autism, that they drove me 'doo-lally'!! frustrated frustrated

I realised my boy was only in school to give me a break, - and not for any benefit to him, so now I'm all fired up with the enthusiasm of wanting to recruit others to help in order to have him at home full-time, which is what I've always known is the best for my boy.

I'm just wondering if there is anyone else out there with a similair experience of having to deal with beaurocracy when deciding to take their child out of state school, and how it's working out?
dunno

Would really appreciate some feedback. Thanks.conversing

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Aug 31, 2007 4:00 AM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Yaya248
Yaya248Yaya248St Andrews, Fife, Scotland UK22 Threads 218 Posts
HI 'ShortyRed'!

Many sincere thanks for your response, I really appreciate you taking the time to offer your own experience, and I provides confidence that the home-schooling method is by far the best option - particularly for children with their own challenges.

Avoiding the 'Bad Asses' is something I'm sure we all wish we could have done! I do believe learning should be in a positive, encouraging environment, - not one which creates anxiety and confusion, - as it often does in schools.

As far as comparing Autism and ADHD in learning, - the potential of course is there, but the method which suits the childs needs is what needs to be addressed first. It seems you Mum is doing a Faaantastic job with your daughter! Well done both of you infact for being able to take the intiative and action yourselves!

It's a hefty decision to make, - but aren't you glad you did!!yay yay

Sending each of you every best wish for the future hug kiss

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Aug 31, 2007 4:29 AM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
shell1
shell1shell1Leeds, West Yorkshire, England UK8 Threads 871 Posts
I home schooled my son, and what a difference!! He had slight learning difficulties so couldn´t finish his work in the same time it took the other pupils. I offered to sit in with his class to help him, but they said no............I think in the end he thought, well I´m not going to finish anyway...I´m going to get told off for not finishing...so I might as well mess around!! Frustration frustrated

I pulled him out and started home schooling, we had an inspector that used to come round to check his progress and check that he was getting what they considered was an education, and he totally excelled!

His writing improved and his course work, because he had no time limits, so could take his time.....was the best thing I did!
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Aug 31, 2007 5:46 AM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
Home schooling is great...but I think it interferes with children learning social skills. Just an opinion. Both of my children were educated at home, more for religious reasond that educational ones. I noticed that a lot of "Christian" people were home schooling their children so they wouldn't have to go to school with black students!

I am not knocking anyone's decision to home school...Just make sure children learn to interact woth other kids so they learn how to negotiate amd compromise when dealing with the real world. As I said, I home schooled my children and 1 turned out good and one is a junkie.
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Sep 5, 2007 4:41 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Yaya248
Yaya248Yaya248St Andrews, Fife, Scotland UK22 Threads 218 Posts
Thanks for responding, both of you above!

Naturally the social aspect exists, but I really don't believe anything is gained in school, unless it's a belief of inferiority, difference, bullying etc. Even the bullies aren't exactly 'learning' to become good social models!

Socialisation skills can be gained in other arenas, such as sports clubs, music groups, etc, where a much more positive emphasis is on appreciating each other and applying team ethics. Then of course you may just have a child who isn't much of a team player and much prefers to stimulate their own interests...this shouldn't make them 'wrong' or 'odd' or even 'geeky', - it's just how they know they feel most comfortable.

I was never keen on group or team participation, still so in fact, but as a child I was branded weird or aloof by my peers and was constantly bullied for it. This just made me attach to my art work or reading all the more. I still made friends, but they were carefully chosen.

Too many of our kids at school are subjected to immense peer pressure to participate in gang culture, - whethet they want to or not. Home schooling takes this possibility out of the equation.

The ability or willingness to be sociable is a choice we make out of comfort for ourselves, and others need to learn to respect that. Home schooling offers a child choices about friendships, without the peer pressure.

(God, I do go on!) Done now. laugh laugh professor
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Sep 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
FlowerOfTheSnow
FlowerOfTheSnowFlowerOfTheSnowMalaga, Andalusia Spain23 Threads 2,212 Posts
ShortyRed it is a credit to you as a person and mother that you were able to put accross and explain how you organised for your daughter's needs to be met, without being scathing about a profession that finds it's workload getting heavier by the year, to the extend that having a quality family home life is practically impossible... thumbs up
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Sep 5, 2007 8:34 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
TheEnglishman
TheEnglishmanTheEnglishmanNewport, Shropshire, England UK7 Threads 520 Posts
Your a brave lady..I applaud you.
It is courageous to say the least..you got real guts.

As for teachers..(my girl is 20 now),,the majority are idiots..I can't be kinda than that.
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Sep 5, 2007 10:14 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
FlowerOfTheSnow
FlowerOfTheSnowFlowerOfTheSnowMalaga, Andalusia Spain23 Threads 2,212 Posts
You say: "As for teachers..(my girl is 20 now),,the majority are idiots..I can't be kinda than that."

Really? I think you'll find that the reality is that the majority of the so called idiots you are talking about are doing a great job educating a lot of kids in spite of the lack of support from the parents...

If you felt so strongly about it you could have always volonteered to show them how it's done!!!!!! It's not too late you know you could still do it! Think how many sad kids you'd save from "poor education standards" if you went in there and demonstrated the skills they lack! It could be your new vocation... travelling from school to school doing yout bit to save the future of Britain! laugh
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Sep 5, 2007 10:20 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Icekrystal24
Icekrystal24Icekrystal24Glasgow, USA74 Threads 1,690 Posts
Public schools are designed to not allow our children to actually think for themselves. They teach subjects that are boring and seldom require much thought....just repetition. It is a way to classify kids, from early on, into social status...by testing and the grading system.

Look up..."Against School" by John Taylor Gatto........very interesting reading.
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Sep 5, 2007 10:24 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
FlowerOfTheSnow
FlowerOfTheSnowFlowerOfTheSnowMalaga, Andalusia Spain23 Threads 2,212 Posts
In the UK public school is actually the name for "private school" is it the same in the US?
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Sep 5, 2007 10:29 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Icekrystal24
Icekrystal24Icekrystal24Glasgow, USA74 Threads 1,690 Posts
No, pulic schools are state run...(government) Private schools are privately owned schools.
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Sep 5, 2007 10:30 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
Icekrystal24
Icekrystal24Icekrystal24Glasgow, USA74 Threads 1,690 Posts
I might add....public schools are mandated by state rules and regulations....testing and such.....the schools get paid so much for each child in attendance....and get better grants if the kids do better on achievement tests.
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Sep 5, 2007 10:52 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
FlowerOfTheSnow
FlowerOfTheSnowFlowerOfTheSnowMalaga, Andalusia Spain23 Threads 2,212 Posts
Thanks for the info Ice! I gotta say I don't know much about the education system in US but I know one thing... What you have described doesn't really match what goes on in UK schools (both my kids have been educated in UK). I don't care what some parents say... In my expereince the education provided in at least the school I worked at for many years (till a month and a bit ago) is dynamic, interesting, inter-active, modern, and encourages the kids to think for themselves as well as preparing them for their exams. There's also a whole programme and system to deal with bullying - with peer mentors, counsellors and youth programmes within the school to raise self-esteem in the kids being bullied as well as the kids doing the bullying... A massive amount of the kids who attend that school are on welfare and yet the school managed to support and encourage the kids in their learning so that 46% achieved 5 x A-C grades in the last exams. This is unheard of for that type of school so I get just a little angry that the teacher's hard work and by implication that of the kids gets "bad mouthed" by some people who are generalising and judging from whatever experience they have had. I know you are a teacher Ice (from previous threads) so I'm sure you must have an idea of what I am talking about.
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Sep 5, 2007 10:55 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
LonelyInBC31
LonelyInBC31LonelyInBC31Battle Creek, Michigan USA199 Threads 1 Polls 2,760 Posts
Ok....so I have to be a tad bit different here...

Both of my kids attend public schools, My oldest attends an alternative High School where all course work is taught on computers and the classrooms are limited in size.

My youngest is in 3rd grade this year, with above average grades and a full extracuricular schedule.

The difference is me, I am at the school EVERYDAY...I volunteer in the classrooms, I volunteer at lunch, I bring in snacks, I make sure everyone has coats and mittens...whatever there is to do...Im there!

Not all day, maybe an hour in the am....maybe an hour in the pm....my kids never know when I will be there but they know I will be. So they are on their best behavior and they know better than to give anyone a hard time.

I always know whats going on in their lives, Im there! PTA...yep, Im there, Im the cheer coach cheering oh wait...you want to join band..yep...I play the clarinet, violin, cello...I can help!

It makes a huge difference! And they have great teachers too! I think the choice between homeschool and public school is like the choice to be a stay at home mom or work.

It depends on the family situation, and the childrens achievements!

I applaud homeschoolers.....I think its great, but I also think that public schools can have benefits too!

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Sep 5, 2007 11:16 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
moonlitrose113
moonlitrose113moonlitrose113Chandler, Arizona USA24 Posts
I was part of a home school group when I was in high school. Being an overachiever, it gave me the chance to attend college classes while still earning high school credits. Bonus, it was a program the state paid for. I even had a friend that was home school (in this particular group) that graduated from high school with an AA degree from college at the same time. Anyways what I am getting at, is that it was a home school GROUP. There were several different families across the state that all home schooled their children and we would get together for different activities depending on the age and that helped with social experience. We even had a prom! We brought our own dates that may not have been home schooled but it was still our own prom! The older kids could earn 'volunteering' extra credit for helping to supervise when the younger groups got together. There was even a principal. That may be something you could look into if you are concerned about the lack of socializing your child may be exposed to. There were a couple of children in our group that had autism. It worked well because they got to go at their own place but still got to do things in groups such as going to the zoo to help teach them interaction.

My mom turned EVERYTHING into a lesson. When we went shopping we had to keep track of all the prices as we went along and have the total with and without tax ready before we got to the check out. Made shopping last longer but taught me to value my money and how better to manage it. In public school you rarely learn something like that.
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Sep 5, 2007 11:24 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
b_n_d
b_n_db_n_dGlasgow, USA60 Threads 3,675 Posts
Excellent. I home schooled my kids for about 10 years. They rarely if ever got sick. They are smart, and have common sense. Schools are nothing more then walking balls of infection. Depends on your State, We homescholled in Michigan and Arizona, You just need to file a letter of intent. No big deal.
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Sep 5, 2007 11:27 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
b_n_d
b_n_db_n_dGlasgow, USA60 Threads 3,675 Posts
They get funded by how many days your kids are in school. In Arizona, if they miss more then 5 days in a year, sick or not, they get pissed. Even when the kids Grandma came out once a year, The pricipal tried to talk us into keeping the kids in school instead seeitheir Grandma. That was the final Straw. So we yanked um out!
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Sep 6, 2007 12:12 AM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
twinkles1994
twinkles1994twinkles1994Vancouver, Washington USA84 Threads 2,258 Posts
My sister home schools my niece Abigail. My niece is behind in her physical development due to having several surgeries after she was born. My niece is 7 and is still not completely potty trained and has to go through physical therapy. Children are cruel and my sister doesn't want to put her daughter through their taunting and teasing. My niece is brilliant and at only 7 is reading at a college level. When it comes to what's best for your child your the only one who really knows.
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Sep 6, 2007 5:02 PM CST Home Schooling V constant battles with Teachers.....
TurkishDelight
TurkishDelightTurkishDelightDublin, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 3,998 Posts
May I ask..have you had an "Educational Statement" drawn up by your Education Board in what your child's IEP ( Individual Education Programme) is regarding the school that you were allocated?
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