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Dec 3, 2007 12:51 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Taser death in Canada sparks heated debate around the world
A number of countries are testing or using the stun guns – raising questions about whether their use is routine in some cases – and whether they should be banned.

By Vaishnavi Chandrashekhar
from the December 4, 2007 edition


The death of a Polish man at Vancouver International Airport has sparked an intense debate in Canada over the increasing use of Tasers by law-enforcement officials. Concerns over the use of these electric shock guns has mounted in several other countries after a UN Committee on Human Rights recently labeled their impact "torture."

Nine investigations, including one by the Polish government, have opened into the death of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish national who died Oct. 14 almost immediately after he was Tasered by Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RMCP) at the Vancouver International Airport, reports CanWest News Service. Polish officials said the aim of their inquiry was to verify whether Canadian police "involuntarily caused the death of a Polish citizen."

Criticism of the incident rose after a video of the incident was posted on YouTube Nov. 14, reports the New Statesman.

The clean-cut stereotype of a Mountie in a tomato-red uniform may linger internationally, but the RCMP's domestic reputation has been shaken. The officers captured on film have been removed from active duty; others replacing them at the Vancouver airport have been verbally abused and had rubbish thrown at them.

On the Saturday after the video's release, nearly 300 people arrived at the airport for a memorial service for Dziekanski.

The incident led to one senator calling for Canadian police to stop using Tasers, while police officials defended their actions, reports The Canadian Press.

Officials claim the electric shock guns, which emit up to 50,000 volts, are not the cause of death in such deadly incidents. A conference last week focused on such factors as "excited delirium," reports The Globe and Mail.

However, the key issue is excited delirium, a collection of symptoms that is quickly becoming the leading explanation offered when a person dies in police custody or after a taser is used….

Critics, who include civil-liberties groups and plaintiffs in myriad lawsuits against both Taser International and police departments, say the condition is actually a vague collection of descriptors designed to protect police officers from allegations of wrongdoing. But there are virtually no such critics at this conference….

Civil liberties activists are pointing to a report by the UN Committee Against Torture last week that called the use of Tasers "torture." The committee said it was "worried that the use of TaserX26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and that in certain cases it could also cause death, as shown by several reliable studies and by certain cases that had happened after practical use."

The UN report provoked reaction in Australia, where Queensland police defended their trial use, reports The Brisbane Times.

Officials there said Tasers had been used in 93 incidents since the trial period began in July, and their use "was to resolve dangerous situations without injury."

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Dec 3, 2007 12:52 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
In New Zealand, where a one-year trial of one model of the weapon has just ended, the Green Party urged the New Zealand Superannuation Fund to withdraw the $NZ780,000 (about $594,000) invested in the American firm, Taser International, Radio New Zealand reported.

Taser International officals dismissed the UN comments, suggesting that the committee was " 'out of touch' with the realities facing law enforcement agents," reports Australian news channel ABC.

Taser has cited research that shows that the electric-shock weapons are safe. Amnesty International, however, recently called for a suspension of Taser use pending further study, and a commitment to greater training of law-enforcement officers.

The organization's report cites increases in Taser-related deaths, and says that Tasers continue to be used in the US as a routine force tool rather than as weapon of last resort.

According to Amnesty, more than 150 people have died in the US after being struck by Tasers since June 2001. In 23 cases, coroners listed the use of the Taser as a cause or contributing factor.

More than 11,000 agencies in the US deploy TASER brand technology. Some 3,500 of these agencies give Tasers to all their patrol officers, according to the company.

In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy vowed before his election in May to buy a Taser for every policeman and gendarme in France, a market for at least 300,000 guns, reports Agence France-Presse.
There are already about 250,000 of the stun guns in use, mainly in North America, but about 70 other countries are buying or trying Tasers -- including Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Singapore and New Zealand, said [Taser representative Antoine] di Zazzo.

In Britain, where beat cops don't have guns, home secretary Jacqui Smith has said that all police should have Tasers, and the weapons were "more effective for subduing suspects and caused less harm than traditional batons," reports The Telegraph.

Mrs Smith told Police Review magazine that she "could see a day" when all officers were armed with stun guns. "If police officers could be prevented from injury because they are able to subdue someone more quickly than with other methods, then it would be viable," she said.

The Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers in England and Wales, has called for all officers to be equipped with stun guns.

Use of Tasers in Britain has risen since 2003, according to a report in the online magazine of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers.


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Dec 3, 2007 12:54 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Dknew
DknewDknewBarrington, New Hampshire USA262 Threads 10 Polls 7,077 Posts
Nope Cops with tasers should be banned.
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Dec 3, 2007 12:58 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Personally I think anything that can cause death and is suppose to be used in place of lethal weapons shouldn't be used in anything but a life or death situation...They seem however to be using them in regular arrest and control situations and there have been many needless deaths!!!!!!!!!

conversing conversing
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Dec 3, 2007 1:01 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Leatherman66
Leatherman66Leatherman66Lima, Ohio USA32 Threads 615 Posts
Well there is two ways about this, in my view.

The way law enforcement has become all over the world is that; everybody is a suspected homeland terrorist, We can be shot by a real bullet and not get a chance to say we are innocent, Or get tase'ed and go thru some pain, but, at least live to talk about it.

Welcome to the New World Order, where the U. N. controls what everybodies country should do. Look it up in your local archives at your local library, you might even find more things than you hear about.

Infowars. com
Prisonplanet. com

Learn the truth. org
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Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Well unfortunately the issue is that people are not living to tell about it...There have been several deaths related to tasers which are suppose to be a non-lethal weapon used in place of lethal force....However it's quite apparent they aren't as safe as what they are claimed to be!!!!!!!!

conversing conversing
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Dec 3, 2007 1:17 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
roseofsharon
roseofsharonroseofsharonmanchester, Hampshire, England UK60 Threads 3 Polls 8,699 Posts
Well, if they would simply stun and temporarily immobilise then they could be useful, rather than having to shoot someone, I guess. But they are causing deaths..... not good!!

After all..... how does the user know if the person they are trying to apprehend has a medical condition or not? Could be all it needs to induce a fit, heartattack, stroke and the like...?? thumbs down
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Dec 3, 2007 1:22 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Jacko21
Jacko21Jacko21St. Pauls Bay, Majjistral Malta179 Threads 2,718 Posts
I wonder how many lives have been saved by using tazers? Were tazers not used, real guns and bullets would be, yes there are tragic circumstances in everything we see and do, but we also need to look at the other side of the coin.....................I'm sure the police would rather tazer someone than shoot them.....just my two cents worth
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Dec 3, 2007 1:27 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
I agree with both you rose and you also Jacko...There probably have been lots of lives saved...BUT perhaps it's the situations they are being used in....regular arrest and control vs. non-life threatening situations that may be the issue!!!!!!!!

I'm also sure there are other forms of non-lethal weapons that could be utilized rather than the taser...

conversing conversing
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Dec 3, 2007 1:28 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
jacko looks like he's been tazer'd just now doesnt he?

sorry gurl to make light

i wasnt aware there have been deaths but if there is no police and no authority in place then there will be big problems

unfortunately law enforcement is like religion
when people are appointed/authorized to
guide, lead, "monitor or enforce" it-there will always be
problems from time to time.

maybe turn down the juice-but they are a great alternative to guns and still allow police to contain someone who theyve deemed needs that.

there are no easy answers are there?
sigh
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Dec 3, 2007 1:30 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Yeah that's an option about the voltage...and no there are no easy answers...It just seems to be soooooooo unpredicatable...Obviously they didn't study the tasers effects in depth enough to be utilizing it as a non-lethal weapon!!!!!!!!!!!

Heya g/f....hug hug
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Dec 3, 2007 1:33 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
That's a really good point. I also think we have become rather accustomed, or even desensitized, to people being shot with guns, which makes the tasers much more dramatic and newsworthy.
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Dec 3, 2007 1:35 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Jacko21
Jacko21Jacko21St. Pauls Bay, Majjistral Malta179 Threads 2,718 Posts
was shocking for me, was hoping for it to make my hair stand up, but then remembered ....not alot of hair left laugh
Seriiously though, the tazer is for the Officer to bring a violent person under control without injury to him/herself. The use of trunchoens is frowned upon, even the use of rubber bullets...........without the police doing their best we'd really be in a sad state of affairs..................I'd rather look at the bright side of things and congratulate the boys in blue for all their hard and dangerous work, it's too easy to point fingers at all when there are a 'few'mistakes or fatalities, nothing is ever going to be perfect, but some things are better than nothing
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Dec 3, 2007 1:35 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
True...BUT I also think that something that is suppose to be non-lethal shouldn't be causing death...At least with a gun...those results are almost expected because it's looked as a form of lethal force...vs. a weapon that is not suppose to cause death!!!!!!!!


conversing conversing
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Dec 3, 2007 1:40 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
That's the key is violent person...There was an 83 year old woman tasered in the U.S.....How much of a threat could she pose????


dunno confused grin doh
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Dec 3, 2007 1:42 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
Jacko21
Jacko21Jacko21St. Pauls Bay, Majjistral Malta179 Threads 2,718 Posts
It would be interesting to see how many times tazers were used and how many fatalities there actually were. Also why were the tazers use dinhe first place? These people hat die are usually people with heart conditions etc, but what were they doing in the first place that provoked the use of a tazer.............eating hamburgers? Drinking beer?.......something that required them being tazered in the first place I think
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Dec 3, 2007 1:46 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
highplains
highplainshighplainsHighland Springs, Virginia USA127 Threads 4,288 Posts
Nope...don't outlaw 'em....

If you are in a situation where it comes down to needing LTL force.....you deserve what you get. I would imagine that the odds of death are much less getting shot with the Tazer than a 9mm.
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Dec 3, 2007 1:50 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
mastic55
mastic55mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 Posts
Tasers should not be , it is fun watching people do the flounder trot.cheers
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Dec 3, 2007 1:53 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
DinaD
DinaDDinaDKingsport, Tennessee USA11 Threads 735 Posts
I think they can be useful when used for their intended purpose, but there have been far too many cases of them being used against people who were not showing any sort of violence towards police, but maybe slow to follow commands due to intoxication and such.
Just like everything else, misuse is the issue.

Are law enforcement officers that use this device required to be *tased* at least once in their training? If not, maybe they should be.
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Dec 3, 2007 1:58 PM CST Should The Use Of Tasers Be Banned?
mastic55
mastic55mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 Posts
If they were tased they would cry and go out on job injury. Everybody knows they are big cry babies.rolling on the floor laughing
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