Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’? (101)
redbellypirhanaPhoenix, Arizona USA4 Threads 793 PostsWell, I don't know about all that other stuff, that is personal, but I do believe in Karma, I have seen it in action, so I don't think you can go wrong by living by the Golden Rule...
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In response to: it is this 'instinct' which led to the evolution of religion and the concept of deity...
that is pretty telling of the lack of wisdom in beleiving because of its end result. I have no problem with things evolving until it fails the rabbit in the hat test. How many years do you keep staring at a hat, accepting that god is in there, before you go and have a look.
Had you read, I don't beleive I ever said that there is no possibility of god persay, in fact have said that there MAY be based on my own information and facts a god presence, though I do not have enough proof to state it unequivocaly. I have stated that is as 'close to the essence of referrals to god as I can find' .. not that it is god, label or otherwise. For me that label is energy
The knowledge to which I referred and you are now referring as being able to tap into ... is that same enegry. I will not label as god, without substantive proof, god-like because of its properties are equateable to the properties of god, sure.... but I can also tap into CNN that doesn't make it god, or even godly.
God as a concept, great, a concept leads you to search, a belief arrests your search, people stop looking beyond the god they god they know, such stringent belief holds you in its very nature to not search beyond what you believe. Stop beleiving there is a god and the whole universe opens up, it doesn't close down as you suggest or attempt to make me appear. We don't need a god to search, to learn, much less to choose good over bad behavior.
Maybe there is a god, maybe there's a whole soccer team of gods and that beleif is just as foolish as believing there is only one, or two or male or female.
I am open but not to 2000 yrs of unbeleiveable nonsense. Santa is just not there. I've looked in the hat, its you who refuses to do so. Just sayin, Orla, look in the hat.
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Ok our beliefs are not entirely different then... but I think if you reduce most peoples beliefs to their instinctual or base elements.. what we are reduced to is similar in nature.. the labels are what confuses things... religion is incidental, spurned on by a more deep instinctual based inspiration..
my belief is that 'God' is energy based ...is present in each of us and connects us to the Universe.. but then I have always been a little wierd
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In response to: Did you know that Valentines day is based on a bloody gangland massacre of human beings?
Nope.
Actually it just happened that the Massacker took place on Valentine's Day.
Gangland Killings.Simply coincidental.
Only commonality is the date 14th of February.
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Ok our beliefs are not entirely different then... but I think if you reduce most peoples beliefs to their instinctual or base elements.. what we are reduced to is similar in nature.. the labels are what confuses things... religion is incidental, spurned on by a more deep instinctual based inspiration..
my belief is that 'God' is energy based ...is present in each of us and connects us to the Universe.. but then I have always been a little wierd
Don't feel bad. You're not the only wierdo out there.
I tend to believe the same way you do.
my belief is that 'God' is energy based ...is present in each of us and connects us to the Universe.. but then I have always been a little wierd
Don't feel bad. You're not the only wierdo out there.
I tend to believe the same way you do.
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Thank god for that !!
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weird is good
conjecture is good
but 'belief' based on conjecture is just a tad ... foolish, especially since it has been conjecture for more than 2000 years..
Its this beleiving in a god that gives man the tools, weapons to control other men who beleive. Its not god, if there is one, its belief that strangles man and keeps hm in the dark ages. Men with evil purpose use and search out people who will beleive...
life is energy ... so is god life? is god energy? possibly, still looking in that hat.
and why does it have to be labelled god? maybe its universal pea soup!You're right, the label .. so get rid of it ... and whole range of possibilites come into play as well as a desire to look in more hats.
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I found something squishy in my hat
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I would never want to play trivial pursuit with you dude!
In response to: Nope.
Actually it just happened that the Massacker took place on Valentine's Day.
Gangland Killings.Simply coincidental.
Only commonality is the date 14th of February.
Actually it just happened that the Massacker took place on Valentine's Day.
Gangland Killings.Simply coincidental.
Only commonality is the date 14th of February.
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'faith doesn't disprove the contradictions.... in fact it only mires it further in confounded silliness.
I find forgiveness in my fellow man and myself, doesn't require faith or belief in any mumbo jumbo, nor does it take away my own sense of responsibilty for my life and my actions. Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
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If not, don't talk about something you don't know about
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.' - Bnatural
Well said B!
These arguments being made against what you are saying fall flat on my academic ears with their mass-appeal - and I am a BELIVER in ‘God’: that is to say, an unknown non-explanation behind existence to which man has attributed his own qualities, good AND bad.
I find forgiveness in my fellow man and myself, doesn't require faith or belief in any mumbo jumbo, nor does it take away my own sense of responsibilty for my life and my actions. Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
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If not, don't talk about something you don't know about
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.' - Bnatural
Well said B!
These arguments being made against what you are saying fall flat on my academic ears with their mass-appeal - and I am a BELIVER in ‘God’: that is to say, an unknown non-explanation behind existence to which man has attributed his own qualities, good AND bad.
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In response to: god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.' - Bnatural
Well said B!
Well said B!
Ray; your applauding my efforts puts me in mind of something like having charles manson on Hillary Clintons political ticket KIDDING .. this new you is enlightening dude!In response to: These arguments being made against what you are saying fall flat on my academic ears with their mass-appeal - and I am a BELIVER in ‘God’: that is to say, an unknown non-explanation behind existence to which man has attributed his own qualities, good AND bad
who would support such a notion Ray? A god made by man when most believe god actually made man? 
paradoxical lamentations. Closer to the truth for sure Ray, but you'll need a whole bunch of hocus pocus to pull it off because it is against human nature for man to blame himself, he needs a god so he can lay his crap at his feet.
your notion isn't lost on me! excellent defintion of god dude!
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In response to: it is against human nature for man to blame himself, he needs a god so he can lay his crap at his feet.
This is what we need to move away from...this mode of thinking...
I think most of us can agree at this point that Religion is man-made and it is this negative element (man) which has contributed to a lot/most/all of the ills in the world.. no argument there..
U seem to think though Al that if you remove religion and we are left with just human free will alone that this will sort things out
.. if humanity is what corrupts religion and u remove religion what are u left with?I advocate individual spirituality as the way forward, we need to, as human beings, look OUTSIDE and BEYOND ourselves, this I think is the key to salvation, there is too much fear and focus on our physical needs, not enough of the spiritual which allows us to appreciate our insignificance, and our place in the Universe as a whole... Now whether ones spirituality is sourced from the Sun, the Universe, a packet of crisps or God it doesn't really matter, but if u think that human kind will function just fine without any spiritual dimension or awareness.. I think u r on the wrong track...
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Aries01: This is what we need to move away from...this mode of thinking...
I think most of us can agree at this point that Religion is man-made and it is this negative element (man) which has contributed to a lot/most/all of the ills in the world.. no argument there..
U seem to think though Al that if you remove religion and we are left with just human free will alone that this will sort things out .. if humanity is what corrupts religion and u remove religion what are u left with?
I advocate individual spirituality as the way forward, we need to, as human beings, look OUTSIDE and BEYOND ourselves, this I think is the key to salvation, there is too much fear and focus on our physical needs, not enough of the spiritual which allows us to appreciate our insignificance, and our place in the Universe as a whole... Now whether ones spirituality is sourced from the Sun, the Universe, a packet of crisps or God it doesn't really matter, but if u think that human kind will function just fine without any spiritual dimension or awareness.. I think u r on the wrong track...
I think most of us can agree at this point that Religion is man-made and it is this negative element (man) which has contributed to a lot/most/all of the ills in the world.. no argument there..
U seem to think though Al that if you remove religion and we are left with just human free will alone that this will sort things out .. if humanity is what corrupts religion and u remove religion what are u left with?
I advocate individual spirituality as the way forward, we need to, as human beings, look OUTSIDE and BEYOND ourselves, this I think is the key to salvation, there is too much fear and focus on our physical needs, not enough of the spiritual which allows us to appreciate our insignificance, and our place in the Universe as a whole... Now whether ones spirituality is sourced from the Sun, the Universe, a packet of crisps or God it doesn't really matter, but if u think that human kind will function just fine without any spiritual dimension or awareness.. I think u r on the wrong track...
key words being , individual and spiritual , taking the responsibility for your own actions. I agree. Being spirtual is a far better choice in my mind as well.the god I refer to (needing to be removed) is the one most often chosen, not the one you and I agree on, but the one used to fights wars, the one used to justify behavior good or bad, the one used to blame and or ignore others in light of your own problems.. I'm not foolish enough to beleive all crap will be gone, but a great deal of it will, and would there be growing pains, yep. And you're right it is more religion than god, but religion is rooted in god... or is god rooted in religion?
sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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thanks for ur response.. havin to chase u around the forums now... ur a busy guy
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Oops forgot to finish my thoughts...
yep you're right its not god, it is man causing the problem with this god toy.. How do you deal with that ... take away his toys!
can't get rid of man
and taking away this toy is just as unlikey
yep you're right its not god, it is man causing the problem with this god toy.. How do you deal with that ... take away his toys!
can't get rid of man
and taking away this toy is just as unlikey
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EastbayRay:
Also thumbs up to Bnatural! I know I am a narcissistic self-loving a**hole (ha ha) but your posts, B, are an asset to any thread!
Also thumbs up to Bnatural! I know I am a narcissistic self-loving a**hole (ha ha) but your posts, B, are an asset to any thread!
well that makes you loveable Ray and worthy of human consideration..
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They work better in pairs:
When someone says they are Right and you are Wrong they are probably wrong but could be right
When someone says they are Wrong and you are Right they probably don't really mean it.....but they could be right
Good is good
Value is value
Good Value......probably isn't
When someone says they are Right and you are Wrong they are probably wrong but could be right
When someone says they are Wrong and you are Right they probably don't really mean it.....but they could be right
Good is good
Value is value
Good Value......probably isn't
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BnaturAl: well that makes you loveable Ray and worthy of human consideration..
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