Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’? (101)
'I won't likely read any books, one doesn't need to to see the sheep blindly accepting their path to the slaughter. '
It’s one thing to see these problems (ie in India), it’s quite another to read The Law Code of Manu and see PRECISELY where they are coming from . . . and postulate what can be done about it
Where is Riya? I wonder what she has to say about The Law Code of Manu?
It’s one thing to see these problems (ie in India), it’s quite another to read The Law Code of Manu and see PRECISELY where they are coming from . . . and postulate what can be done about it
Where is Riya? I wonder what she has to say about The Law Code of Manu?
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In response to: You know what strikes me as absolutely foolish is the acceptance of christians that this jesus died for our sins, meaning ALL of our sins, ALL of us, forever and ever .. yet our conduct results in some heaven or hell? ... one needs to sin to make hell (assumes we haven't really been absolved at all)... yet he died for them so I have none (being as he already died for them?); in this absolute belief? Seems to me we are all going to heaven.... or he died for nothing.
One other thing required, believing and accepting the gift of forgiveness of our sins that he died for.
Did you even read the Bible? If not, don't talk about something you don't know about. If ya did, you missed something, maybe the part about faith.
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faith doesn't disprove the contradictions.... in fact it only mires it further in confounded silliness.
I find forgiveness in my fellow man and myself, doesn't require faith or belief in any mumbo jumbo, nor does it take away my own sense of responsibilty for my life and my actions. Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.
I find forgiveness in my fellow man and myself, doesn't require faith or belief in any mumbo jumbo, nor does it take away my own sense of responsibilty for my life and my actions. Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
In response to: If not, don't talk about something you don't know about
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.
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Yadda yadda yadda 
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In response to: Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
The scientist has faith also...hopefully expecting to find out the secrets of the universe.
It's no different Al
In response to: god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.
We, as humans, don't know diddly squat. We get all arrogant and have these lofty ideas we do, but in reality, we're just realising the enormity of what's out there.
You believe in the stars Al? Anything set in stone there?
Nope, didn't think so.
Glass houses and stones dear boy!
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detente: In response to:
Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
The scientist has faith also...hopefully expecting to find out the secrets of the universe.
It's no different Al
In response to:
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.
We, as humans, don't know diddly squat. We get all arrogant and have these lofty ideas we do, but in reality, we're just realising the enormity of what's out there.
You believe in the stars Al? Anything set in stone there?
Nope, didn't think so.
Glass houses and stones dear boy!
Faith is dubious crutch for those unable to stand on their own.
The scientist has faith also...hopefully expecting to find out the secrets of the universe.
It's no different Al
In response to:
god is something you don't KNOW about. Something mired in faith and lofty nothingness yet you talk about it as if you know .... as if faith is knowing ... curious... its this kind of knowing and talk about it that keeps the wheels of dogma spinning.
We, as humans, don't know diddly squat. We get all arrogant and have these lofty ideas we do, but in reality, we're just realising the enormity of what's out there.
You believe in the stars Al? Anything set in stone there?
Nope, didn't think so.
Glass houses and stones dear boy!
Thanks Detente, you answered so well I don't have to.
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... what you speak of is curiousity my dear boy and is very different from the definition of faith in dogma.
faith in religion and some omnipotent (unfactual) god dispells curiousity, it mires an individual in a beleif system that creates boundaries to the same curiousity you and I so highly prize.
Faith in god already has its end dude, and will go no further to prove that end, unless the curious search for it.
faith in religion and some omnipotent (unfactual) god dispells curiousity, it mires an individual in a beleif system that creates boundaries to the same curiousity you and I so highly prize.
Faith in god already has its end dude, and will go no further to prove that end, unless the curious search for it.
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In response to: Thanks Detente, you answered so well I don't have to.
A blind attempt at detenting
some credit however mislead.I'll take glass houses over closed minds any day.
and accepting that there is nothing but this centuries old unproven god based on nothing but faith is as closed minded as it gets. Hold this faith and you learn nothing new. JMHO
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In response to: faith in religion and some omnipotent (unfactual) god dispells curiousity, it mires an individual in a beleif system that creates boundaries to the same curiousity you and I so highly prize.
'Faith is the assured expectation of realities, though not yet beheld.'
There, that's the gist of the way the bible itself describes the faith it's on about.
I'm finding myself believing more and more in the liklihood of there being a God. And Al, I'm still hellishly curious about this universe, and will always adore science and a lil 'light' philosophy.
Open mind? Yup...I do my best Al, and I'm not afraid to challenge myself either.
I'm just glad I have the choice...and the complete free will to make whichever choice I like.
Just the same as you.
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In response to: and accepting that there is nothing but this centuries old unproven god based on nothing but faith is as closed minded as it gets. Hold this faith and you learn nothing new. JMHO
Closed minds? Again, I feel you're tarnishing all with the same, grubby brush.
How do you justify your observations in view of the fact that there are many scientists, and Quantum Mechanics who profess a belief in there being a 'God'?
Indeed, Isaac Newton, one of the greatest minds of all time, was a professed believer in there being a Creator.
Al, Christianity, or any form of Deity obeisance doesn't preclude there being an inquiring and open mind along with it.
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In response to: Open mind? Yup...I do my best Al, and I'm not afraid to challenge myself either.
I'm just glad I have the choice...and the complete free will to make whichever choice I like.
Just the same as you.
I'm just glad I have the choice...and the complete free will to make whichever choice I like.
Just the same as you.
if we only ever disagree on defintions and the fundemantals of curiousity and faith I'd be happy to call you freind absolutely .. though I hate to use absolutes, the bane of my curiousty.
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Well ... that is something what society “to enforce” you, there are rules which we should or should not respect.
But most important is what we bring from our family. How our parents, school, educate us.
Second, not less important what we accept of all education which they offer to us.
But in different situation, all of us will have different reaction.
Our behaviors and appreciate different values in life, as we become older, always modified. But, basic education we were trough all our life.
But most important is what we bring from our family. How our parents, school, educate us.
Second, not less important what we accept of all education which they offer to us.
But in different situation, all of us will have different reaction.
Our behaviors and appreciate different values in life, as we become older, always modified. But, basic education we were trough all our life.
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Al, just answer me one question: who or what is the source of these problems you highlight?
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In response to: Al, just answer me one question: who or what is the source of these problems you highlight?
angular dispersion, I like that
MAN is the answer....errrrr sourced resourcefully as he is want to be
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Ain't that ironic dude?
Finally...we reach the root of it all...those filthy hooman beans!
Oh damn...you and i are hooman too...
Finally...we reach the root of it all...those filthy hooman beans!
Oh damn...you and i are hooman too...
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ummm, rather pointless dispersion dontcha not think?
can't change that we're human but we can change that we don't follow santas and gods that do not exist.
As soon as you remove god, all the crap that controls others, feeds and fuels religious separtism is gone.
You are then left with pure unadulterated virtue, pure philosophy, pure curiousity. If there is one out there, this is the way to find it/him/her.
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'God' is just a label Al... do you accept that there is more to life that us?.. the Universe perhaps?.. for example... long before man even contemplated such a thing as 'God' and long before organised religion came into play.. man had a sixth sense of something 'out there' something greater than themselves.. it is this 'instinct' which led to the evolution of religion and the concept of deity...
While it is true that nobody can establish with any degree of scientific certainty the existence of what we have labelled 'God' I don't think it would be suitably 'open minded' (as u claim to be.. ) to exclude the possibility of same...
You refer in earlier posts.. too lazy to read them.. of this concept that knowledge is 'out there' and exists and it is this which Artists can tap into and create from (correct me if I am wrong) what is the source of this knowledge.. are you claiming that we.. us 'hooman beins' as Detente refers.. are we all that there is?...
Lets not forget that 'God' is just a label.. that feeling that people describe as 'faith' is just our instinct tapping into to that great unknown that mysterious something which we all sense is out there
While it is true that nobody can establish with any degree of scientific certainty the existence of what we have labelled 'God' I don't think it would be suitably 'open minded' (as u claim to be.. ) to exclude the possibility of same...
You refer in earlier posts.. too lazy to read them.. of this concept that knowledge is 'out there' and exists and it is this which Artists can tap into and create from (correct me if I am wrong) what is the source of this knowledge.. are you claiming that we.. us 'hooman beins' as Detente refers.. are we all that there is?...
Lets not forget that 'God' is just a label.. that feeling that people describe as 'faith' is just our instinct tapping into to that great unknown that mysterious something which we all sense is out there
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