IS THIS A DISEASE OR IS IT GENETIC? (127)
kt7777eastover, South Carolina USA11 Threads 1 Polls 985 PostsWell you guys(I mean it this time)lol
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capigirl: Is alcoholism a disease ? I know they say it is, but to me disease is something you have no control over, such getting cancer, where as is alcoholism, the person does have control over drinking or not drinking.
no one is forcing the person to take a drink, he has a choice, but when you get cancer, you had no control over getting cancer. what is your thought on it?
no one is forcing the person to take a drink, he has a choice, but when you get cancer, you had no control over getting cancer. what is your thought on it?
I go with the disease/genetic model. I believe something is intrinsically wrong in the system; an 'off switch' is missing so to speak.
Symptoms of the condition manifest as excessive behaviours that are ultimately self destructive,anger, alcohol, eating, dieting,gambling,hypochondria, shopping and so much more.
It is not a matter of will power or choice. There is nothing quite as terrifying as watching yourself repeat a behaviour you know is destroying you, that you want to stop doing and yet despite all your determination, intelligence and effort, you do it anyway.
If you cannot comprehend how someone does not 'just say no', be grateful not judgmental.
I have been saying no every day for many years and there is no "just" about it.
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Well if its 5am there i certaintly would mean it
goodnight.
goodnight.
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Well goodnight you guys(I mean it this time)lol[/quotea ] There that's better.I don't know why I'm sleepy I can't spell right
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goodnight
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kimmyz18: Yes i have thought melbourne way, (GREAT SHOPPING)
Would love Queensland though.
Would love Queensland though.
agree that Queensland sounds great...
but the humidity can be deadly..
lived there for a year......
Ill take melbourne....
hey Ill go shopping with you..
if we can spend your money......
Thats how my daughter says it
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bajanblue: I go with the disease/genetic model. I believe something is intrinsically wrong in the system; an 'off switch' is missing so to speak.
Symptoms of the condition manifest as excessive behaviours that are ultimately self destructive,anger, alcohol, eating, dieting,gambling,hypochondria, shopping and so much more.
It is not a matter of will power or choice. There is nothing quite as terrifying as watching yourself repeat a behaviour you know is destroying you, that you want to stop doing and yet despite all your determination, intelligence and effort, you do it anyway.
If you cannot comprehend how someone does not 'just say no', be grateful not judgmental.
I have been saying no every day for many years and there is no "just" about it.
Symptoms of the condition manifest as excessive behaviours that are ultimately self destructive,anger, alcohol, eating, dieting,gambling,hypochondria, shopping and so much more.
It is not a matter of will power or choice. There is nothing quite as terrifying as watching yourself repeat a behaviour you know is destroying you, that you want to stop doing and yet despite all your determination, intelligence and effort, you do it anyway.
If you cannot comprehend how someone does not 'just say no', be grateful not judgmental.
I have been saying no every day for many years and there is no "just" about it.
I love your posts!
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bajanblue: I go with the disease/genetic model. I believe something is intrinsically wrong in the system; an 'off switch' is missing so to speak.
Symptoms of the condition manifest as excessive behaviours that are ultimately self destructive,anger, alcohol, eating, dieting,gambling,hypochondria, shopping and so much more.
It is not a matter of will power or choice. There is nothing quite as terrifying as watching yourself repeat a behaviour you know is destroying you, that you want to stop doing and yet despite all your determination, intelligence and effort, you do it anyway.
If you cannot comprehend how someone does not 'just say no', be grateful not judgmental.
I have been saying no every day for many years and there is no "just" about it.
Symptoms of the condition manifest as excessive behaviours that are ultimately self destructive,anger, alcohol, eating, dieting,gambling,hypochondria, shopping and so much more.
It is not a matter of will power or choice. There is nothing quite as terrifying as watching yourself repeat a behaviour you know is destroying you, that you want to stop doing and yet despite all your determination, intelligence and effort, you do it anyway.
If you cannot comprehend how someone does not 'just say no', be grateful not judgmental.
I have been saying no every day for many years and there is no "just" about it.
no one could say it better........
my addiction is smoking......
I try to cut down every day
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rivame: no one could say it better........
my addiction is smoking......
I try to cut down every day
my addiction is smoking......
I try to cut down every day
I can recommend acupuncture, lots of water and stopping completely. I tried it ten years ago. Still not smoking.
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bajanblue: I can recommend acupuncture, lots of water and stopping completely. I tried it ten years ago. Still not smoking.
Ive tried everything...
but just end up smoking more....
maybe I need to write poetry like you..
will do the trick...
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rivame: Ive tried everything...
but just end up smoking more....
maybe I need to write poetry like you..
will do the trick...
nice to see you
but just end up smoking more....
maybe I need to write poetry like you..
will do the trick...
nice to see you
But you do write poetry
Smoking is a tough one. I read that nicotine has as strong an effect on the body as heroin. Hypnotism did not work for me. I am not sure that I was actually hypnotised!
Always good to see you too.
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riyablossom:
But, it is actually primarily an addiction. And yes one can be genetically predisposed.
But, it is actually primarily an addiction. And yes one can be genetically predisposed.
I agree Riya.. and to add back up to that .. my grandmother (on my mothers side)... died of alcoholism too.
My sister just about wont drink.. and I didn't for 10yrs.. not because of me.. but because of my mum and my husband.. it put me OFF!!..
I know I have the same kind of personality.. I wouldn't necessarily say alcoholism is hereditary.. but I'm pretty certain 'addictions' are.. in whatever ever form they take shape.
I'm not addicted to anything, but I know how I can be HOOKED on something that becomes the be all and end all for me for a while.. (until it moves on to something different).. and it can honestly be something as simple as a certain chocolate bar (haha)... or a particular type of fruit juice.
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Oo and Helloooooo Riya 
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People can, and for that matter will, call it what they wish. The label does not change the devastation. 
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Claayer: Oo and Helloooooo Riya
Helloo .. hope all is well with you ..
hmm.. we should ask them to introduce a chocklate emoticon ..
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In response to: ...Any addiction at it's core, is an "emotional illness". Even person's who have never tasted alcohol, or any other illicit substance can suffer from addiction their entire lives, undiagnosed, and completely unconsciously...
Diogenes, you are the best. I totally support your point.
As to replication... CuspofMagic
In response to: ---Wow is that reversible--- the Anger replication ie
Why not? It is not the reverse that we should be after, but replication of cells with more happy chemical receptors and less angry or need alcohol receptors.
Take antidepressants until balance/required level is achieved?
Or put electrodes in ones brains? The last one could be quicker. If the theory is right.
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Marivanna: Diogenes, you are the best.
My favorite part of this whole thread......besides my own genius of course.
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typical of capi...to post something, then abandon the post.
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In response to: All of our cells are fitted with specific receptors for the different neuropeptides, or chemical emotions if you will. It has been proven, that after repetitive emotional patterns, anger for example...A person is angry day after day, after day...When a cell in that person replicates, it divides in two, and the new cell is "born" with more receptors for the "anger chemical", and less for other nutrients. So then, each of us can quite literally become addicted to our own emotional states.
The above is really interesting to me. One of the clients i used to work with was diagnosed as having Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome results from thiamine deficiency. Which was due to his alcoholism. He also suffered from an acquired brain injury which he sustained when he had drinking. His family told me after the accident due to his injury he couldn't remember his name or his family even words for things for months. However he could remember he wanter a beer.
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PILI: The above is really interesting to me.....However he could remember he wanter a beer.
It is pretty darn interesting. Another book I was reading on the subject, mentioned an experiment that was done using dogs. They wired a dog up somehow, to electronically stimulate the brain to release a certain neuropeptide. The dog was taught that a certain pedal in its kennel would trigger the release of the neuropeptide. Eventually the dog chose the neuropeptide over chew toys, food, and even sleep, and would continuously trigger its release until the animal finally collapsed from exhaustion.
Often we humans become so caught up in repetetive emotional patterns, like that we hate our jobs, but won't quit even though the job doesn't serve us. We keep entering the same types of relationships over and over again, even though they don't serve us. We become trapped in a cycle of stimulus reaction, we are addicted to drama, and have little more ability to make a choice than the dog did, despite our larger frontal lobe.
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