capigirl: Is alcoholism a disease ? I know they say it is, but to me disease is something you have no control over, such getting cancer, where as is alcoholism, the person does have control over drinking or not drinking. no one is forcing the person to take a drink, he has a choice, but when you get cancer, you had no control over getting cancer. what is your thought on it?
PILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK4,804 posts
diogenes: It is pretty darn interesting. Another book I was reading on the subject, mentioned an experiment that was done using dogs. They wired a dog up somehow, to electronically stimulate the brain to release a certain neuropeptide. The dog was taught that a certain pedal in its kennel would trigger the release of the neuropeptide. Eventually the dog chose the neuropeptide over chew toys, food, and even sleep, and would continuously trigger its release until the animal finally collapsed from exhaustion.
Often we humans become so caught up in repetitive emotional patterns, like that we hate our jobs, but won't quit even though the job doesn't serve us. We keep entering the same types of relationships over and over again, even though they don't serve us. We become trapped in a cycle of stimulus reaction, we are addicted to drama, and have little more ability to make a choice than the dog did, despite our larger frontal lobe.
This explains Obsessive-Compulsive Disorders, Its all very interesting as i deal a lot drug/alcohol addicts as well as people with OCD and bi-polar
PILIPALA: This explains Obsessive-Compulsive Disorders, Its all very interesting as i deal a lot drug/alcohol addicts as well as people with OCD and bi-polar
It certainly sheds some light on the issues, but the question arises....Where is the mind? Is it located inside the brain? Quantum Theorists would have us believe, rather convincingly I might add, that the brain, along with the rest of our physical make up is a projection of our mind which actually exists in another dimension
Yeah, I know! I said your mind exists in another dimension, and your brain, along with the rest of your body is a physical image of the spiritual you. Your body, including the brain, is a bio-suit controlled remotely by your mind from another dimension. Weird huh?
constanza: It's an escape from the painful reality of everyday life for some; it's a way of coping with stress; it's a learned behavior or reaction just like any other bad habit; if you are an alcoholic my advice would be don't buy alcohol, don't go bars, and definitely go easy on yourself when you've had a bad day; pamper yourself into feeling better.
diogenes: Disease is a common term used to describe alcoholism, particularly within the program of alcoholics anonymous. I have no interest in arguing semantics at the moment. However, I would like to submit that the term disease is often favored because alcoholism is a progressive condition.
It doesn't matter if one simply chooses not to drink. The alcoholism will worsen over time whether one drinks or not. This is evidenced in person's who have relasped in alcoholism, even after many years of sobriety. It is not as if they get a fresh start with alcohol. They pick right up where they left off, often drinking themselves to oblivion. The reason is that the alcohol is a symptom of another problem. That problem is a dis-ease within the mind. Simply not drinking, does nothing to address the real problem.
bajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados3,724 posts
constanza: It's an escape from the painful reality of everyday life for some; it's a way of coping with stress; it's a learned behavior or reaction just like any other bad habit; if you are an alcoholic my advice would be don't buy alcohol, don't go bars, and definitely go easy on yourself when you've had a bad day; pamper yourself into feeling better.
Perhaps some volunteer work at a rehab center or visiting some open AA meetings would give a better perspective on the situation.
If anyone struggling with admitting they have a problem with alcohol reads this advice they will go back to thinking they can fix it.
If you are not an alcoholic you are not really qualified to suggest a course of action, because with the best will in the world you have no idea just what it takes to recover.
Imagine someone telling you you will die unless you stop breathing. I you can get your head around that you may have an inkling of how deep rooted a problem even an apparently fully functional alcoholic faces.
Not every drunk is on skid row.
Not every drunk walks around falling down, reeking of booze or even slurring a word.
Alcoholics or drunks cannot 'go easy' on themselves to stop drinking. They fight for every moment sober.
Mjnsb2002: Alcholism is not a disease, it is a persons way of coping out of reality. That is my opinion of it. I know some who use alchol as a substitute for something they are missing in there life. Alchol is just like drugs. Not healthy for you, addictive and just plan bad.
bajanblue: Perhaps some volunteer work at a rehab center or visiting some open AA meetings would give a better perspective on the situation.
If anyone struggling with admitting they have a problem with alcohol reads this advice they will go back to thinking they can fix it.
If you are not an alcoholic you are not really qualified to suggest a course of action, because with the best will in the world you have no idea just what it takes to recover.
Imagine someone telling you you will die unless you stop breathing. I you can get your head around that you may have an inkling of how deep rooted a problem even an apparently fully functional alcoholic faces.
Not every drunk is on skid row.
Not every drunk walks around falling down, reeking of booze or even slurring a word.
Alcoholics or drunks cannot 'go easy' on themselves to stop drinking. They fight for every moment sober.
"disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes discomfort, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. The terms disease, disorder, medical condition are often used interchangeably. There is no agreed-upon universal distinction between these terms, though some people do make distinctions in particular contexts.
Hope this helps. I love the web, you can find pretty much anything
KnowingNorton: "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes discomfort, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. The terms disease, disorder, medical condition are often used interchangeably. There is no agreed-upon universal distinction between these terms, though some people do make distinctions in particular contexts.
Hope this helps. I love the web, you can find pretty much anything
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no one is forcing the person to take a drink, he has a choice, but when you get cancer, you had no control over getting cancer. what is your thought on it?
It's an addiction or a bad habit!