OBAMA for PRESIDENT IV ( Archived) (105)

A heart and 6 little fat, cute, fingers. Just for Indy >>>>

Come on Lucious, it was done in good humor and in good taste. To make a point to Dude. The same point Conrad has been trying to make. On a different thread, I think that I got Dude understand the
point. Only it took me to talk about 'grippies' on a baseball bat, for
him to understand. That point is there are many thing about the United States, its lifestyles, its gov't, and our political process that he does not understand. If you want to know what 'grippies' are I will tell you.:-)

Saying this is not condem Dude, but simply to lead him to ask intelligent questions that we can answer and openly discuss. To not make the quick judgements on us that he tends to do.
Also, it was honest. The difference between the United States and Denmark are substantial...and in those areas....is just how I wrote them up.

I don't pretend or precieve to know everything of Denmark. Heck I was there only a week. A weeks visit, one gets a thin flavor of the country and its people. But history...lifestyles...politics...and many other areas of Denmark, I would be clueless on. So I don't comment much on things going on in Denmark.

Unless Dude has spent some substantial time in the US, he should take the same position. But he goes by what he picks up in the media. He needs to know with a Presidential campaign going on.....that media is involved in the discourse that is going on here. There are media that give it a slant this way and there are some that give it a slant that way.

For me to give opinion on Denmark politics by the most political thing that I have read of Denmark politics..Shakespeare's Hamlett...would hardly be fair. That would be quiet a dishonest opinion to Denmark's modern day politics, yes? Just the same to give opinion on the United States by a Micheal Moore documentary, one cannot give a fair or objective opinion from either. The souce material has a real biased slant.jmo

Most here see this vastly different than Vet Nam. We have had the
will and resolve to stay in South Korea, for over 50 years....to achieve what has been done there.

It Iraq would ever calm to such a state as the Korean conflict did, sure we would have to be there longer for both real reconstruction and real
change in Iraqi society to occur from the democratic institutions now in place. Like you, I have the feeling that car bombs and suciede bombers will keep that from happening. There are other parties that don't want that calm to occur.

For many here, after 9/11..time is not a real factor to achieving our National Security again. What needs to be done, needs to be done.
If one take Iraq and Iran into a combined regional perspective, the
threat of Iranian possible coming nuclear devices. The existing threat of dirty nucs with the nuclear material program of Iran. Having US Forces nearby makes a lot of sense.

Many are saying it is time to get out. Look at Vet Nam and the cost there. Vet Nam cost us 58,000 lives in that time span....Iraq has cost us 4,000 in the near the same. A very big difference. We know our cost here. That kind of cost, tragic as it is, we can sustain for a very long time.

Many say the war cannot be won. So again get out. We leave, a vacumm in Iraq opening it for Islamic terror bases. The very thing that gave us 9/11. We leave, a potential middle east democracy can fail, and a major victory for Pan Islam occurs. A major victory to AlQeada occurs. One is not is habit of winning wars or conflicts by giving victories to the enemy.

You say they are not your enemy. I listen to binLaden words, to the Iran president's words, I see the Mosque chants on America, I see the AlQeada video of bombings in Iraq. If that is not being both hostile and an enemy of the United States, you tell me what is?

Vet Nam was never coming to the streets of the United States with with people jumbing of buildings from the acts of planes being flown into them. Since 9/11 literally globally 100s of terrorist attacks have been failed, against both European and American targets. These attacks are on your streets in Europe as they are on our streets here.
So there are some very big differences between Vet Nam and Iraq.

One is that with terrorism, civilians are the targets. Vet Nam was a nation state conflict for the large part. Vet Nam terrorism did occur against the S.Vet Nam people. But never struck at American homeland. The common to both Iraq and Vet Nam, that terrorism does strike at the civilians of both countries. Bringing our troops home to soon, will only encourage and vacialite terrorism in Iraq and here and there.

Many words that have been spoken and written, only give hope to terrorists, that they will have a free hand someday in the world to attack as they please and how they desire. Those words encourage them, rather than condem them. Comparing Vet Nam and Iraq unless done objectively and honestly, only gives hope to them that day draws near.jmo

Paleeze, where do most of us get our information from....there is so much news and information on the internet. It is good that some people do reseach. So you are saying that the only information he can find is Michael Moore's docmentary, that is the same dishonest tactics you use that annoy the hell out of me. All for your own interest.

No, he will want his green card in hopes that Obama will marry him or ask Obama to marry him in order to obtain a green card. Either way, we all know dudes position, no pun intended...

Half of the stuff I spew is just trying to get people to use the thought process. Some things I have fervent beliefs about~~

The more I think about it though, Obama may be the Second Coming~~

Well, we've been in Iraq longer than Hillary's been running for President too~