GUN CONTROL: Just a thought looking for oppinions (71)
Guns are bad.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
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jbibiza: The kind of laws I would like to see would be dealing with the criminal element. Use a gun in a crime... go away forever, no parole, no early release... in prison for the rest of your life. That would also go for possession of any firearm that is not licensed to you.
I used to target shoot... but developed a hatred for guns when an accidental discharge of a loaded gun killed a friend of mine... I was only a foot away from her when it happened.
Some Drastic Laws concerning Gun-Crimes are on the Books,yet none of the Idiot Judges are applying them.I used to target shoot... but developed a hatred for guns when an accidental discharge of a loaded gun killed a friend of mine... I was only a foot away from her when it happened.
Looks better for Legislators to CROW for new ,more restrictive Gunlaws,than make sure the federal laws on the Book are obeyed.
Am pretty sure Federal Law calls for Fines up to 250'000$ and 10 years Imprisonment for using a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime,in addition to the Punishment of the Crime Committed.
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tgwstw: Guns are bad.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
Then what is your Gardai doing with Uzi-Submachine Guns?Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
The Irish Gardaí Emergency Response Unit (ERU) are replacing the Uzi with the HK MP7.WIKI
(ERU)
Maybe the Officer on the Beat is not armed,but any Policeforce is trained in Small Arms,and it's Officers know how to use them,even your Garda Officers!
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In all the years that I had lived in the US, I never had a problem with obtaining any form of license for a weapon, be it a pistol or a fully automatic machine gun. In fact the ATF loved it when applying for a license to have a fully automatic weapon, even artillery pieces that were fully functional. It was revenue for them in the form of taxes. Any sale from the owner to others also meant high taxes and sometimes transference fees. If you do not have a criminal record, you're perfectly eligible to obtain the proper gun licenses to buy, sell or even manufacture guns. It is no big deal.
As for the 'leveling' of of the so called playing field, I have always believed in that every person( ie. registered voter, or holder of a social security card, or who has filed income taxes), should be given a gun by their government...with due respect to the person's personal choice of gun, of course.Why the hell not...
However what I do find dangerous is the total lack of any type of controls on the manufactoring of 'illegal' guns, 995 of which are hand guns. No regulations, no controls and certainly no supervision of those that make them, let alone sell them, especially in the US. The so called 'Saturday night specials' are not all imported, many are made in the states. Where is the FBI or ATF? Same in Mexico, Where are the
Federales? No where to be found near any plants making these cheap guns , of which many blow-up in the hands of users, btw...(they'd be the 'unsavoury elements' anyway, so who cares...) The point is, people are hired to make them, assemble them: there are no 'incentives' for anyone to turn in, tip-off the ATF people....they may only after delivery of shipments to any 'suspicious' legitimate gun dealer shop, who keeps no records and has them sold by someone from the trunk of their car as I've seen many times including military assault rifles from unregistered owners needing the cash.... Own the weapon legally, you can up the selling price a minimum of 500% ; the buyer, when they sell it, does the same...all legal; the ATF will even help you fill out the proper paper work! Even for a rocket launcher with rockets!!
Wish to buy a fully functioning tank? Get a list from the Government surplus auctions and sites, you really do not need to dismantle the weapons system; sign the agreement and drive it away...tell them you are going to use it as a tractor...many farmers have actually done this...far cheaper than going into hock over a John Deer tractor..%D
As for the 'leveling' of of the so called playing field, I have always believed in that every person( ie. registered voter, or holder of a social security card, or who has filed income taxes), should be given a gun by their government...with due respect to the person's personal choice of gun, of course.Why the hell not...
However what I do find dangerous is the total lack of any type of controls on the manufactoring of 'illegal' guns, 995 of which are hand guns. No regulations, no controls and certainly no supervision of those that make them, let alone sell them, especially in the US. The so called 'Saturday night specials' are not all imported, many are made in the states. Where is the FBI or ATF? Same in Mexico, Where are the
Federales? No where to be found near any plants making these cheap guns , of which many blow-up in the hands of users, btw...(they'd be the 'unsavoury elements' anyway, so who cares...) The point is, people are hired to make them, assemble them: there are no 'incentives' for anyone to turn in, tip-off the ATF people....they may only after delivery of shipments to any 'suspicious' legitimate gun dealer shop, who keeps no records and has them sold by someone from the trunk of their car as I've seen many times including military assault rifles from unregistered owners needing the cash.... Own the weapon legally, you can up the selling price a minimum of 500% ; the buyer, when they sell it, does the same...all legal; the ATF will even help you fill out the proper paper work! Even for a rocket launcher with rockets!!
Wish to buy a fully functioning tank? Get a list from the Government surplus auctions and sites, you really do not need to dismantle the weapons system; sign the agreement and drive it away...tell them you are going to use it as a tractor...many farmers have actually done this...far cheaper than going into hock over a John Deer tractor..%D
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995 of which are hand guns.
OOPS; should read 99%...%)
OOPS; should read 99%...%)
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solitare: In all the years that I had lived in the US, I never had a problem with obtaining any form of license for a weapon, be it a pistol or a fully automatic machine gun. In fact the ATF loved it when applying for a license to have a fully automatic weapon, even artillery pieces that were fully functional. It was revenue for them in the form of taxes. Any sale from the owner to others also meant high taxes and sometimes transference fees. If you do not have a criminal record, you're perfectly eligible to obtain the proper gun licenses to buy, sell or even manufacture guns. It is no big deal.
As for the 'leveling' of of the so called playing field, I have always believed in that every person( ie. registered voter, or holder of a social security card, or who has filed income taxes), should be given a gun by their government...with due respect to the person's personal choice of gun, of course.Why the hell not...
However what I do find dangerous is the total lack of any type of controls on the manufactoring of 'illegal' guns, 995 of which are hand guns. No regulations, no controls and certainly no supervision of those that make them, let alone sell them, especially in the US. The so called 'Saturday night specials' are not all imported, many are made in the states. Where is the FBI or ATF? Same in Mexico, Where are the
Federales? No where to be found near any plants making these cheap guns , of which many blow-up in the hands of users, btw...(they'd be the 'unsavoury elements' anyway, so who cares...) The point is, people are hired to make them, assemble them: there are no 'incentives' for anyone to turn in, tip-off the ATF people....they may only after delivery of shipments to any 'suspicious' legitimate gun dealer shop, who keeps no records and has them sold by someone from the trunk of their car as I've seen many times including military assault rifles from unregistered owners needing the cash.... Own the weapon legally, you can up the selling price a minimum of 500% ; the buyer, when they sell it, does the same...all legal; the ATF will even help you fill out the proper paper work! Even for a rocket launcher with rockets!!
Wish to buy a fully functioning tank? Get a list from the Government surplus auctions and sites, you really do not need to dismantle the weapons system; sign the agreement and drive it away...tell them you are going to use it as a tractor...many farmers have actually done this...far cheaper than going into hock over a John Deer tractor..%D
As for the 'leveling' of of the so called playing field, I have always believed in that every person( ie. registered voter, or holder of a social security card, or who has filed income taxes), should be given a gun by their government...with due respect to the person's personal choice of gun, of course.Why the hell not...
However what I do find dangerous is the total lack of any type of controls on the manufactoring of 'illegal' guns, 995 of which are hand guns. No regulations, no controls and certainly no supervision of those that make them, let alone sell them, especially in the US. The so called 'Saturday night specials' are not all imported, many are made in the states. Where is the FBI or ATF? Same in Mexico, Where are the
Federales? No where to be found near any plants making these cheap guns , of which many blow-up in the hands of users, btw...(they'd be the 'unsavoury elements' anyway, so who cares...) The point is, people are hired to make them, assemble them: there are no 'incentives' for anyone to turn in, tip-off the ATF people....they may only after delivery of shipments to any 'suspicious' legitimate gun dealer shop, who keeps no records and has them sold by someone from the trunk of their car as I've seen many times including military assault rifles from unregistered owners needing the cash.... Own the weapon legally, you can up the selling price a minimum of 500% ; the buyer, when they sell it, does the same...all legal; the ATF will even help you fill out the proper paper work! Even for a rocket launcher with rockets!!
Wish to buy a fully functioning tank? Get a list from the Government surplus auctions and sites, you really do not need to dismantle the weapons system; sign the agreement and drive it away...tell them you are going to use it as a tractor...many farmers have actually done this...far cheaper than going into hock over a John Deer tractor..%D
cool
a tank! 
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tgwstw: Guns are bad.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
The US Constituion contains the right to bare arms. It's pure and original intent was to keep government honest and accountable... it was meant to ensure freedom from oppression and or the return of ruling class
turned out well huh? .
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I can have a tank too? 
that means I'll need a bigger gun! 
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Manolito: I posted this on a similar thread somewhere in the forums but didnt get much attention and i would really like to get some oppinions on this, especially from Americans:
I used to live in a country (not importand which one) that everyone had a right to OWN guns but it was very strictly prohibited to BEAR arms (as in carrying them around with you, in your car etc).
Trust me, i felt perfectly safe in my house with a shotgun locked in the high cupboard of my bedroom and a G3A3 7.62mm automatic army assault riffle oiled and waiting in the other shelf. So did everybody else there.
But if i even tried to carry any of them anywhere, it was immediate jail time.
Footnote: Both of the guns mentioned are more than 2 feet long (ok, they can be dissmantled but it's not the point). Ownership of small handguns, that could be easily be carried around unnoticed, was also strictly prohibited.
Just a thought for all my american friends.
I used to live in a country (not importand which one) that everyone had a right to OWN guns but it was very strictly prohibited to BEAR arms (as in carrying them around with you, in your car etc).
Trust me, i felt perfectly safe in my house with a shotgun locked in the high cupboard of my bedroom and a G3A3 7.62mm automatic army assault riffle oiled and waiting in the other shelf. So did everybody else there.
But if i even tried to carry any of them anywhere, it was immediate jail time.
Footnote: Both of the guns mentioned are more than 2 feet long (ok, they can be dissmantled but it's not the point). Ownership of small handguns, that could be easily be carried around unnoticed, was also strictly prohibited.
Just a thought for all my american friends.
Think you've been given a little bit of disinformation by the media about how things actually are in the states with reguard to guns/gun regulations. Same as you, we have the right to gun ownership; guaranteed by our constitution (at least for a while yet). But, if I were to walk around Illinois with a gun on my hip, I'd be in the slammer pretty damned quick! We can transport guns IN a case, unloaded, in the trunk of a car. Have to get to the ranges somehow. Have to have a special permit - called a carry permit- to actually be able to carry a weapon on your person all the time. THOSE are quite a bit tougher to come by.
Gun control legislation is a misnomer. Gun ban regulations are what has been tried to be passed. ALL the states have gun control legislation; in Illinois you have to register as a gun owner. Myriad laws as to how to transport, ect, ect weapons. But, the laws that they tout as gun control legislation most of the time are about making guns illegal. Chicago is a good example. They passed legislation making it illegal to own a handgun in the city. Hasn't slowed down the crime rate - period and will soon be overturned (if it hasn't already) because it IS unconstitutional as things stand right now.
Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. I own guns and enjoy taking them out to the range but could live without. But thats all that a gun ban would accomplish. People have been killing each other for thousands of years if not with a gun, than knives, swords, spears, arrows, clubs, rocks ect., ect., ect.. Not going to stop until someone, somewhere figures out how to change the nature of humanity.
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BnaturAl: The US Constituion contains the right to bare arms. It's pure and original intent was to keep government honest and accountable... it was meant to ensure freedom from oppression and or the return of ruling class
turned out well huh? .
turned out well huh? .
Unfortunately, many people seem to think that their 'right to bare arms' means to just roll up their shirt sleeves and show their arms...in public! %D
others bear their arms , usually behind closed doors....or is it the other way-around...ummm %D
(cotcha! %D )
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There are branches that are armed. Only rightly so.
But your average copper on the street is not and I'm glad for that.
But your average copper on the street is not and I'm glad for that.
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woody636: Think you've been given a little bit of disinformation by the media about how things actually are in the states with reguard to guns/gun regulations. Same as you, we have the right to gun ownership; guaranteed by our constitution (at least for a while yet). But, if I were to walk around Illinois with a gun on my hip, I'd be in the slammer pretty damned quick! We can transport guns IN a case, unloaded, in the trunk of a car. Have to get to the ranges somehow. Have to have a special permit - called a carry permit- to actually be able to carry a weapon on your person all the time. THOSE are quite a bit tougher to come by.
Gun control legislation is a misnomer. Gun ban regulations are what has been tried to be passed. ALL the states have gun control legislation; in Illinois you have to register as a gun owner. Myriad laws as to how to transport, ect, ect weapons. But, the laws that they tout as gun control legislation most of the time are about making guns illegal. Chicago is a good example. They passed legislation making it illegal to own a handgun in the city. Hasn't slowed down the crime rate - period and will soon be overturned (if it hasn't already) because it IS unconstitutional as things stand right now.
Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. I own guns and enjoy taking them out to the range but could live without. But thats all that a gun ban would accomplish. People have been killing each other for thousands of years if not with a gun, than knives, swords, spears, arrows, clubs, rocks ect., ect., ect.. Not going to stop until someone, somewhere figures out how to change the nature of humanity.
Gun control legislation is a misnomer. Gun ban regulations are what has been tried to be passed. ALL the states have gun control legislation; in Illinois you have to register as a gun owner. Myriad laws as to how to transport, ect, ect weapons. But, the laws that they tout as gun control legislation most of the time are about making guns illegal. Chicago is a good example. They passed legislation making it illegal to own a handgun in the city. Hasn't slowed down the crime rate - period and will soon be overturned (if it hasn't already) because it IS unconstitutional as things stand right now.
Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. I own guns and enjoy taking them out to the range but could live without. But thats all that a gun ban would accomplish. People have been killing each other for thousands of years if not with a gun, than knives, swords, spears, arrows, clubs, rocks ect., ect., ect.. Not going to stop until someone, somewhere figures out how to change the nature of humanity.
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BnaturAl: don't hold your breath.
Yeah.... unfortunately.
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woody636: Yeah.... unfortunately.
we are a much dumber species than we give ourselves credit for.
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Conrad73: Then what is your Gardai doing with Uzi-Submachine Guns?
The Irish Gardaí Emergency Response Unit (ERU) are replacing the Uzi with the HK MP7.WIKIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Response_Unit_(ERU)
Maybe the Officer on the Beat is not armed,but any Policeforce is trained in Small Arms,and it's Officers know how to use them,even your Garda Officers!
The Irish Gardaí Emergency Response Unit (ERU) are replacing the Uzi with the HK MP7.WIKIhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Response_Unit_(ERU)
Maybe the Officer on the Beat is not armed,but any Policeforce is trained in Small Arms,and it's Officers know how to use them,even your Garda Officers!
Emergency Response Unit (ERU) are replacing the Uzi with the HK Maybe the Officer on the Beat is not armed
The Gardai as you stated are are not armed which the young lady had just said..
An Emergency Response Unit are armed ... but they are a specialised and small unit of a very large force.
Im 90% sure but not the whole 100% that if you kill an Irish policeman you can HANG !!!(was the law about 10 years ago ) This is the only crime in our Nation where the death sentence can be handed out...Someone better informed than me will have to verify that
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i am all for the right to bear arms it is written in the constitution for us to have that right
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Guns - agression packaged - without regrets or recourse
- un evolutionary
- un evolutionary
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woody636: Think you've been given a little bit of disinformation by the media about how things actually are in the states with reguard to guns/gun regulations. Same as you, we have the right to gun ownership; guaranteed by our constitution (at least for a while yet). But, if I were to walk around Illinois with a gun on my hip, I'd be in the slammer pretty damned quick! We can transport guns IN a case, unloaded, in the trunk of a car. Have to get to the ranges somehow. Have to have a special permit - called a carry permit- to actually be able to carry a weapon on your person all the time. THOSE are quite a bit tougher to come by.
Gun control legislation is a misnomer. Gun ban regulations are what has been tried to be passed. ALL the states have gun control legislation; in Illinois you have to register as a gun owner. Myriad laws as to how to transport, ect, ect weapons. But, the laws that they tout as gun control legislation most of the time are about making guns illegal. Chicago is a good example. They passed legislation making it illegal to own a handgun in the city. Hasn't slowed down the crime rate - period and will soon be overturned (if it hasn't already) because it IS unconstitutional as things stand right now.
Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. I own guns and enjoy taking them out to the range but could live without. But thats all that a gun ban would accomplish. People have been killing each other for thousands of years if not with a gun, than knives, swords, spears, arrows, clubs, rocks ect., ect., ect.. Not going to stop until someone, somewhere figures out how to change the nature of humanity.
Gun control legislation is a misnomer. Gun ban regulations are what has been tried to be passed. ALL the states have gun control legislation; in Illinois you have to register as a gun owner. Myriad laws as to how to transport, ect, ect weapons. But, the laws that they tout as gun control legislation most of the time are about making guns illegal. Chicago is a good example. They passed legislation making it illegal to own a handgun in the city. Hasn't slowed down the crime rate - period and will soon be overturned (if it hasn't already) because it IS unconstitutional as things stand right now.
Personally, I really don't care one way or the other. I own guns and enjoy taking them out to the range but could live without. But thats all that a gun ban would accomplish. People have been killing each other for thousands of years if not with a gun, than knives, swords, spears, arrows, clubs, rocks ect., ect., ect.. Not going to stop until someone, somewhere figures out how to change the nature of humanity.
Woody...that's why my dad left Illinois. Your laws are still a bit Draconian there. I prefer AZ where it's not illegal to carry in plain view (it's actually not here, either, but if you tried it there would be widespread panic, so I have my permit and carry concealed), or VT where they don't require a permit because the Second Amendment is your permit. (The only down side to this is a lack of reciprosity with other states because there's no permit to honor.) My state is good, too, though...it requires a permit, but is "shall issue", meaning if you pass the background check and they don't have a legal reason for you not to have one, they shall issue a CC permit to anyone who requests it, and we have reciprocity with many other states.
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tgwstw: Guns are bad.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
Our police force is unarmed, we get by just fine.
I don't get the whole Gun Scene that goes on in the states, it really is beyond me to be honest.
Guns are not bad...it's the people who misuse them who are bad. A gun has never fired itself off while sitting on a table. Somebody has to handle it to make it do that.
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I used to target shoot... but developed a hatred for guns when an accidental discharge of a loaded gun killed a friend of mine... I was only a foot away from her when it happened.