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Apr 2, 2008 12:18 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? Shouldn't we return the favor ? ; Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell............................. ...... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO / PETRO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco...................... 0 barrels
Conoco....................... 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ........................ 0 barrels
ARC0.......................... 0 barrels
Maverick..................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .................... 0 barrels
Valero......................... 0 barrels

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
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Apr 2, 2008 12:20 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
highplains
highplainshighplainsHighland Springs, Virginia USA127 Threads 4,288 Posts
Great Information.....

I must admit to being an avid fan of Shell gasoline. However, I'm switching to Valero....beginning right now.
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Apr 2, 2008 12:27 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
tryandcatchme72
tryandcatchme72tryandcatchme72corning, USA7 Threads 1 Polls 401 Posts
HealthyLiving: Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? Shouldn't we return the favor ? ; Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell............................. ...... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO / PETRO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco...................... 0 barrels
Conoco....................... 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ........................ 0 barrels
ARC0.......................... 0 barrels
Maverick..................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .................... 0 barrels
Valero......................... 0 barrels

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

Great information I agree!
How can we be a stong nation if we depend on others like with oil?
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Apr 2, 2008 12:30 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
spiceygamble
spiceygamblespiceygambleNola, Louisiana USA36 Threads 3 Polls 4,493 Posts
According to the U.S. Department of Energy:

"Can I tell which country or State the gasoline at my local station comes from?


The Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot definitively say where gasoline at a given station originated since EIA does not collect data on the source of the gasoline sold at retail outlets. The name on the service station sign does not tell the whole story. The fact that you purchase gasoline from a given company does not necessarily mean that the gasoline was actually produced by that particular company’s refineries. While gasoline is sold at about 167,000 retail outlets across the nation, about one-third of these stations are “unbranded” dealers that may sell gasoline of any brand. The remainder of the outlets are “branded” stations, but may not necessarily be selling gasoline produced at that company’s refineries. This is because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal. In that case, the only difference between the gasoline at station X versus the gasoline at station Y may be the small amount of additives that those companies add to the gasoline before it gets to the pump. Even if we knew at which company’s refinery the gasoline was produced, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources.



Can I tell which companies purchase imported
crude oil or gasoline?


While EIA cannot identify which companies are selling imported gasoline, EIA does collect data on which companies import crude oil and refined products. However, the fact that a given company imported crude oil or gasoline does not mean that those particular imports will end up being sold to motorists as that company’s brand of gasoline. The origin of the crude oil that a refinery processes is determined by market economics at a given time and may change from month-to-month or even day-to-day. Company-level import data can be found at: "
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Apr 2, 2008 1:01 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
CapeDoctor
CapeDoctorCapeDoctorGreystones, Wicklow Ireland16 Threads 2 Polls 137 Posts
HealthyLiving: Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? Shouldn't we return the favor ? ; Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell............................. ...... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO / PETRO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco...................... 0 barrels
Conoco....................... 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ........................ 0 barrels
ARC0.......................... 0 barrels
Maverick..................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .................... 0 barrels
Valero......................... 0 barrels

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.


Great piece of information there healthyliving! But ever wondered why the US imports so much oil from OPEC???

It's simply because without doing so they'd never meet local demand! All those gas-guzzling SUV's and private jets, not to mention the vast amounts of fuel consumed by the US military!!!

Firstly if the US want's to rid itself of foreign dependance on oil, it should be focusing on reducing it's own demand to levels it can sustain without the need for importing...
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Apr 2, 2008 11:06 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
CapeDoctor: Great piece of information there healthyliving! But ever wondered why the US imports so much oil from OPEC???

It's simply because without doing so they'd never meet local demand! All those gas-guzzling SUV's and private jets, not to mention the vast amounts of fuel consumed by the US military!!!

Firstly if the US want's to rid itself of foreign dependance on oil, it should be focusing on reducing it's own demand to levels it can sustain without the need for importing...


I know that we do not have enough refineries stateside to refine the crude we have. We also export much of our oil to other countries... it's all in the name of Free Trade.

Same reason I haul oranges from California to Florida, and oranges from Florida to California. So much waste. There are so many ways we could save money and resources, but Big Business won't allow it.

The US does not want to rid itself of foreign dependance on oil. The investors will never allow it and they are in the politicians pockets.

Consumers really don't care. They would rather drive around in the SUV's and Hummers thinking they are cool. America is very wasteful.

There is much room for improvement but it won't happen. There are other sources for fuel, but oil is Big Money and the politicians make money off of investing in it.
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Apr 2, 2008 11:16 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
spiceygamble: According to the U.S. Department of Energy:

"Can I tell which country or State the gasoline at my local station comes from?The Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot definitively say where gasoline at a given station originated since EIA does not collect data on the source of the gasoline sold at retail outlets . The name on the service station sign does not tell the whole story. The fact that you purchase gasoline from a given company does not necessarily mean that the gasoline was actually produced by that particular company’s refineries. While gasoline is sold at about 167,000 retail outlets across the nation, about one-third of these stations are “unbranded” dealers that may sell gasoline of any brand. The remainder of the outlets are “branded” stations, but may not necessarily be selling gasoline produced at that company’s refineries. This is because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal. In that case, the only difference between the gasoline at station X versus the gasoline at station Y may be the small amount of additives that those companies add to the gasoline before it gets to the pump. Even if we knew at which company’s refinery the gasoline was produced, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources.
Can I tell which companies purchase imported
crude oil or gasoline?While EIA cannot identify which companies are selling imported gasoline, EIA does collect data on which companies import crude oil and refined products. However, the fact that a given company imported crude oil or gasoline does not mean that those particular imports will end up being sold to motorists as that company’s brand of gasoline. The origin of the crude oil that a refinery processes is determined by market economics at a given time and may change from month-to-month or even day-to-day. Company-level import data can be found at: "


Thanks Spicey! As a trucker, I have been in the refineries and the bulk terminals. Especially in Texas City, along the gulf coast. Foreign tankers as well as domestic, from off shore rigs, bring it in by the boat loads. Having never worked in the refinery, I would have no idea of the process they use to sort it all out or mix it.

So, maybe it's kinda like the oranges. The oil companies are all getting a cut from selling to each other. dunno
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Apr 2, 2008 11:22 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
Serenity1971
Serenity1971Serenity1971Serenity's Island, New York USA81 Threads 2 Polls 3,815 Posts
Funny I always fuel at ARCO, Valero or Sinclair depending on where I am. Great info HL, I think I'm going to pass this on to a few friends.


How long have you been driving truck? You look familiar.
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Apr 2, 2008 11:24 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
They sell to each other because they are all in bed together.

Over 30% of the oil the US consumes comes from Canada. I'd bet the majority of the companies that you named as being OPEC importers also import from Canada.

I've worked in the industry on rigs drilling for Exxon/Mobile as well as others. It's a matter of where they can get the best/cheapest supply at the time. It has absolutely nothing to do with borders or nationality.
It's a matter of dollars $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

your dollars.wink
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Apr 2, 2008 11:25 PM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
This is from the website spicygamble gave reference to.
Very Important Info:

Can consumers reduce the revenues flowing to a certain country or countries by boycotting companies that have a history of importing from those countries?

Due to the global nature of the oil market, boycotts by individual consumers or even individual countries cannot reduce the oil revenues of a given oil producing country/countries. At best, consumer boycotts of a company known to import crude oil would result in a temporary reduction in the market share of that particular company. Because the overall consumer demand for products made from oil (like gasoline and diesel fuel) would be unchanged, the oil would simply be purchased by some other company.

Similar market shifts would occur if an entire country or countries refused to buy oil from a certain country/region, or were legally prevented from doing so. The boycotting countries would take additional imports from different countries, and those countries would purchase additional supplies from the boycotted country/region. Due to the nature of the world oil market, it is impossible to impact the oil revenues flowing to a given country or region with anything short of a sanctions regime, wherein all countries pledge to avoid buying from a particular country.

Do consumers impact gasoline prices?

Consumers have very little power as individuals but, if enough consumers give the same “market signal,” they can impact prices. First, when consumers buy gasoline at service stations in their areas with the lowest price, they take market share away from higher-priced stations; these stations may then eventually reduce their prices to be more competitive. The second way consumers impact the market is by reducing gasoline consumption. If enough people reduce driving or switch to more energy-efficient vehicles, gasoline demand would decline and prices would be dampened.
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Apr 3, 2008 2:24 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
spiceygamble
spiceygamblespiceygambleNola, Louisiana USA36 Threads 3 Polls 4,493 Posts
Well, don't look at me.
I haven't even sat behind the wheel of a car in over 15 yrs!

Nobody got any money out of me!
thumbs up
laugh
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Apr 3, 2008 2:34 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
America is very wasteful...it is so sad, but Yes, as a whole Americans are very wasteful because we take most of our blessings for granitecrying crying crying

Healthy Living, Thanks for the Info, I'm sharing this list with all my friends and family and strangers alike. Let's bite those greedy gas monopolizing jokers in the taildevil Hit them right in their wallet pocketsprofessor

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Peacheswave
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Apr 3, 2008 5:25 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
Self sufficiency is an admirable aspiration but this sounds like choosing to shrink your own economy - the oil would just be sold to someone else....demand outstrips supply! professor
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Apr 3, 2008 5:36 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
It's easy to tell middle east oil from the others. It has a "garlicy" taste.professor
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Apr 3, 2008 5:38 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
teufelsengel
teufelsengelteufelsengelLancaster, California USA7 Posts
HealthyLiving:
Sunoco...................... 0 barrels
Conoco....................... 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ........................ 0 barrels
ARC0.......................... 0 barrels
Maverick..................... 0 barrels
Flying J. .................... 0 barrels
Valero......................... 0 barrels


As much as this sounds nice, it's not feasible for me to drive an extra ten miles one way to get to these gas stations... lol. ARCO there is one locally, but otherwise I have to go to the next town for Valero, and about 45 miles to go to Flying J. And when I already have to drive 20 miles to a gas station... yeah. You get the picture... lol.
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Apr 3, 2008 6:20 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
kermit2007
kermit2007kermit2007melbourne, Victoria Australia14 Threads 3 Polls 158 Posts
And CITGO / PETRO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)


what's wrong with someone hating you openly? i respect thatblues
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Apr 3, 2008 6:33 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
HealthyLiving: Thanks Spicey! As a trucker, I have been in the refineries and the bulk terminals. Especially in Texas City, along the gulf coast. Foreign tankers as well as domestic, from off shore rigs, bring it in by the boat loads. Having never worked in the refinery, I would have no idea of the process they use to sort it all out or mix it.

So, maybe it's kinda like the oranges. The oil companies are all getting a cut from selling to each other.



No doubts. thumbs up
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Apr 3, 2008 7:37 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
tampa1
tampa1tampa1London, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,057 Posts
Yeah wish that was the case. Where I live the fuel is loaded into trucks by anyone who wants to buy it. Each gas co. gets the blends exclusive to them loaded right at the loading arm. That pipeline comes from Shell Canada located in Sarnia Ontario. Most if not all the fuel in London is purchased through that pipeline no matter what the brand name is at the pump.

So there is no way of knowing where the oil originated from, and that's exactly the way they want it, for just such a reason as you stated.
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Apr 3, 2008 9:54 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
lovestrees
lovestreeslovestreesTacoma area, Washington USA18 Threads 305 Posts
kermit2007: And CITGO / PETRO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)what's wrong with someone hating you openly? i respect that


Guessing that H.L. wants to display facts here. Thank you for great information and for the interest you are helping to generate among us.

Chavez is really hated by the same folks in control of our media/government. He's been elected by the vast majority of Venezuelans-( where Jeb's "hanging chads" and easily altered "electronic voting" are not permitted).

When he was removed from office by a USA-backed coup, the people flooded the streets, demanding their president be restored to office, he was, within 2 days.

He is the only speaker at OPEC's table asking to lower the price of oil for low-income people ANYWHERE. Venezuella sells heating fuel to many low/fixed income USA citizens, at a CUT RATE.

Some of his first actions in office were to kick BIG OIL, out of their oil-fields, give MEDICAL CARE to everyone in Venezuela-(visiters included), and to offer EDUCATION freely.

The Democratic Socialism forming in their country is doing so BY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Not here to say that any country's governence in without FLAW...

Seems to me that Chavez, openly, HONESTLY, hates the USA government, NOT OUR PEOPLE. Lots of news available at ushov.org.
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Apr 3, 2008 11:08 AM CST Where to buy American (not foreign) Gasoline
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
lovestrees: Guessing that H.L. wants to display facts here. Thank you for great information and for the interest you are helping to generate among us.

Chavez is really hated by the same folks in control of our media/government. He's been elected by the vast majority of Venezuelans-( where Jeb's "hanging chads" and easily altered "electronic voting" are not permitted).

When he was removed from office by a USA-backed coup, the people flooded the streets, demanding their president be restored to office, he was, within 2 days.

He is the only speaker at OPEC's table asking to lower the price of oil for low-income people ANYWHERE. Venezuella sells heating fuel to many low/fixed income USA citizens, at a CUT RATE.

Some of his first actions in office were to kick BIG OIL, out of their oil-fields, give MEDICAL CARE to everyone in Venezuela-(visiters included), and to offer EDUCATION freely.

The Democratic Socialism forming in their country is doing so BY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Not here to say that any country's governence in without FLAW...

Seems to me that Chavez, openly, HONESTLY, hates the USA government, NOT OUR PEOPLE. Lots of news available at ushov.org.


Great Info lovestrees! Thanks for sharing! I have read up on Chavez and his lowering prices to the poor. Our government doesn't like him cos he can't be manipulated by them. Chavez hates Bush and so do I.
I do not think he's such a bad guy myself. Some may want to visit his stations just to go against Bush, lol. I received an email once telling us to do just that, LOL.
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