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RobbieM: Several months ago, the US signed weapons deals with both Saudi and Isreal on high tech precision guided munitions, including penetrators munitions. So Isreal already has the munitions for this.
The Enteppe raid was done by military air transport aircraft with air to air refueling over Africa. Totally different kind of targets in Iran and a totally different air operation for them. But Enteppe saved alot of lives and cudos to the Isrealis for doing it.
On the US providing air to air refueling. Honestly, I don't know.....our policy in the past has been this. Not to provide direct
operational support. For a couple of reasons...our forces have other missions and it brings us into a being a direct participant. Whether this has changed, again I don't know. Indirect operational support...like satellite imagery, yes we have provided.
I'm not saying anything secret when i also say the same is included in plastic explosives, most commonly in semtex where you can even identify the batch number.
The Russian porta-nukes are about the same size as a mid sized Samsonite flight case.They have a shelf live of 15 years and have passed their inbuilt shelf life.So i understand they have the yield to basically vaporise one square mile.
There is also a programme that was declassified re the army's plans for space travel where they planned to use nuclear payloads to detonate behind the ship to provide thrust.The nuclear devices that were drawing board for that project were about the size of a football.
The large units your referring to i think are the reputedly known as the "Red Mercury" devices.These were very dirty bombs indeed!
The point is though even with American financial efforts and aid to sweep up and secure all this dirty material it is still out there.And a dirty bomb would make a city uninhabitable, forever as it would be too dangerous to decontaminate.
I can think of 2 locations where to deploy these for maximum effect and cause the collape of the financial market within a few days.Then again my services are not available to anyone.
Some of the work with dual particle beam weapons and microwave weapons is far more effective.If you get the chance to head out near white sands (i'm sure you'll know where i am talking about) you will see far more productive work.
Likewise the Atmospheric heater HAARP up in Alaska is far more reliable ang guaranteed to fry any incoming ISBM warheads electronics.
The Enteppe raid was done by military air transport aircraft with air to air refueling over Africa. Totally different kind of targets in Iran and a totally different air operation for them. But Enteppe saved alot of lives and cudos to the Isrealis for doing it.
On the US providing air to air refueling. Honestly, I don't know.....our policy in the past has been this. Not to provide direct
operational support. For a couple of reasons...our forces have other missions and it brings us into a being a direct participant. Whether this has changed, again I don't know. Indirect operational support...like satellite imagery, yes we have provided.
I'm not saying anything secret when i also say the same is included in plastic explosives, most commonly in semtex where you can even identify the batch number.
The Russian porta-nukes are about the same size as a mid sized Samsonite flight case.They have a shelf live of 15 years and have passed their inbuilt shelf life.So i understand they have the yield to basically vaporise one square mile.
There is also a programme that was declassified re the army's plans for space travel where they planned to use nuclear payloads to detonate behind the ship to provide thrust.The nuclear devices that were drawing board for that project were about the size of a football.
The large units your referring to i think are the reputedly known as the "Red Mercury" devices.These were very dirty bombs indeed!
The point is though even with American financial efforts and aid to sweep up and secure all this dirty material it is still out there.And a dirty bomb would make a city uninhabitable, forever as it would be too dangerous to decontaminate.
I can think of 2 locations where to deploy these for maximum effect and cause the collape of the financial market within a few days.Then again my services are not available to anyone.
Some of the work with dual particle beam weapons and microwave weapons is far more effective.If you get the chance to head out near white sands (i'm sure you'll know where i am talking about) you will see far more productive work.
Likewise the Atmospheric heater HAARP up in Alaska is far more reliable ang guaranteed to fry any incoming ISBM warheads electronics.
Well our politicians only concern is not offending Jewish lobbyist. They get a lot of campaign contributions that way.
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Indyfella:
Hey Robbie...........(sarcasm abounds)
Hey Robbie...........(sarcasm abounds)
Score.....a cackle for Indy....Mr. Sensitive took that personal.
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RobbieM: Dude,
Re Pakistan you clearly dont know what your talking about.If you did you would know who set up trained and funds the Pakistani Military Intelligence.
They clearly are at the front of the fight of the perceived threat of international terrorism, and i assure you we all get on very well with them.They are NO THREAT WHATSOEVER.
In fact were couldn't be much closer if we tried..........
I have no idea how you think you know what Obama thinks.
Clearly Iran is in a difficult position, next to a power vacuum, but please don't take them for a bunch of wreckless idiots run by mad people.This plainly isnt true.
Re Pakistan you clearly dont know what your talking about.If you did you would know who set up trained and funds the Pakistani Military Intelligence.
They clearly are at the front of the fight of the perceived threat of international terrorism, and i assure you we all get on very well with them.They are NO THREAT WHATSOEVER.
In fact were couldn't be much closer if we tried..........
I have no idea how you think you know what Obama thinks.
Clearly Iran is in a difficult position, next to a power vacuum, but please don't take them for a bunch of wreckless idiots run by mad people.This plainly isnt true.
Surely Bush has this all under control and we are making great strides in Iraq and NOW there might not have to be a war, we just need to keep on top of how great things are improving in Iraq. They are even starting to THINK about pulling our troops out of Iraq soon. And Iran is not as much of a threat as it once was, maybe they were wrong about that too. They CAN PROBABLY get by without a war on Iran.
I am soooo confused.
Who do we believe Robbie, Who? Who? I would not want to be General Patreaus.
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RobbieM: Dude, their system is split along 2 parties lines, where financial interests control what is done!
There is no real democracy anymore, and voting in one new guy is like changing the net curtains inside a vivisection clinic.
Inside without oversight the butchery will still continue.
Lets see whoever gets in will act like a head of state and return dignity to the whitehouse.There's lots of pressure to go along to get along.
Lets see who will get in and have a mature non dogmatic approach to the countries problems, and actually play their part as an example to follow instead of looking like a bunch of clowns on the world stage going through the fasade of playing politics on partisan lines.
Time to take a deep breath, lead by example, put disputes in the hands of the UN and take the same approach as the Germans and Japanese have done since the end of WW2.
Their stance is to provide military support and logistics where needed and otherwise stay within their zone.
It's about time the Yanks let go of the full spectrum dominance programme and just became a little less scared of everyone or should i say selling to the American public that virtually the west of the world is a threat to America.
The idea is bloody stupid.
There is no real democracy anymore, and voting in one new guy is like changing the net curtains inside a vivisection clinic.
Inside without oversight the butchery will still continue.
Lets see whoever gets in will act like a head of state and return dignity to the whitehouse.There's lots of pressure to go along to get along.
Lets see who will get in and have a mature non dogmatic approach to the countries problems, and actually play their part as an example to follow instead of looking like a bunch of clowns on the world stage going through the fasade of playing politics on partisan lines.
Time to take a deep breath, lead by example, put disputes in the hands of the UN and take the same approach as the Germans and Japanese have done since the end of WW2.
Their stance is to provide military support and logistics where needed and otherwise stay within their zone.
It's about time the Yanks let go of the full spectrum dominance programme and just became a little less scared of everyone or should i say selling to the American public that virtually the west of the world is a threat to America.
The idea is bloody stupid.
It seems like the Brits change with the wind too....
I guess snoopdogTonyB didn't follow the right course....but of course that is all America's fault. they will get it right eventually, now they have a "broad coalition for change".
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opalbeauty: It seems like the Brits change with the wind too....
I guess snoopdogTonyB didn't follow the right course....but of course that is all America's fault. they will get it right eventually, now they have a "broad coalition for change".
Why is it all America's fault?I guess snoopdogTonyB didn't follow the right course....but of course that is all America's fault. they will get it right eventually, now they have a "broad coalition for change".
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ttom500: "Must trust"?
LOL Dude.......first of all......when someone enter goverment service here....military or high office......here is what his oath of office says basically. "I swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and to protect the country of the United States against all enemies domestic and foreign." At the end, "so help me, God."
No where in the oath of service, is there 'trust clause' to a leader of the country or military unit. No where in our citizenship laws as Ameicans. That I know of. One has fidelity to the country, not to the office of President.
Meaning we are not obligated to 'trust' the President of the United States. One serves at his pleasure. One is appointed to his decision.
This is a real mis conception. Every one says they want a President, like George Washington, that told the truth when at age 6 he got caught cutting down the cherry tree. George Washington use deception to beat the British.
LOL Dude.......first of all......when someone enter goverment service here....military or high office......here is what his oath of office says basically. "I swear to uphold the constitution of the United States and to protect the country of the United States against all enemies domestic and foreign." At the end, "so help me, God."
No where in the oath of service, is there 'trust clause' to a leader of the country or military unit. No where in our citizenship laws as Ameicans. That I know of. One has fidelity to the country, not to the office of President.
Meaning we are not obligated to 'trust' the President of the United States. One serves at his pleasure. One is appointed to his decision.
This is a real mis conception. Every one says they want a President, like George Washington, that told the truth when at age 6 he got caught cutting down the cherry tree. George Washington use deception to beat the British.
What a bout like: "Whom do you think they Can trust" instead?
I know your answer already , and I need Robbie,s point of view a bout that question.....is it all right with you TT?
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Alfalfa: Why is it all America's fault?
Wake up Alfalfa, I was actually being sarcastic on that one.
I thought you were sharper than that.
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ttom500: Likewise the Atmospheric heater HAARP up in Alaska is far more reliable ang guaranteed to fry any incoming ISBM warheads electronics.
They are field testing a small emp (eltro magnetic pulse energy device) now for riot control. They device heats your skin to a 130 degrees. So we have the 'basics' to transmitted energy devices. Development has been about 12 years. Device sits on a HUMVEE, rotates 360 degree.
It is very effective from the reports I have read on it.
Personally, I think that it will be dirty nuc before fissioned devices that are actually used. Though they found in Afghanistan at a camp, drawings of a fissioned detonation. So these guys were talking about it then.
Either one if you are near enough to the detonation point, can ruin a good day for you. The nuclear reclaimation program that we are running with the Russians, are trying to reclaim the worse isotope materials first.
Just that there is literally 1000s of tonnes of the materials out there.
From a security point, you just have to assume terrorist have access to it and can aquire it.
As for security on fissioned devices. One thing that is of concern. Is Pakistan's nucs. Two of the bomb attacks on Musherraf employed
Pakistani military personnel in them. One was sponsored by the Taliban, the other by AlQeada. Air Force personel one time were the explosive planters and trigger men. Army personel the other time were the explosives providers. All nco and warrant officer level personel. But these are the ranks that normally guard nuclear devices.............so? How secure are the Pakistani nucs when both group are getting into the military enough to pay for hits on the countries President?
If you are concerned with terrorist nuclear devices or home grown terrorist using dirty nucs. Check out a system called IRIS (Intregrated Radiation Information System). It is a airborne platform that detects radioactive materials very accurately. Some 15 countries use it. It gives a color computer map of the terrian over flown with coloring where radiation is. Will show to within 8 feet nuclear cores and dirty nucs.
Can be used on a variety of aviation platforms.
Tom,
Here's a link for field testing the army's microwave weapons you might well be interested in.It's the US armys own simulated test for riot control purposes.
Ironically the Danes are one of many nations leading the field in the use of Pulsed microwave weapons!!!
Theres a certain frequency range where the human brains thinking process is affected, and from a number of posts and threads on this website i think its pretty clear they have been testing it on unsuspecting members of the public already.
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Hot_Single_Dude: Great news........
McCain campain is going to release McCains state of heath in the end of this week.....unfortunatily the only thing they release will be a bout his physichal health and the matter of mental health is still under cover secresy for sure.....I beleive very understanding they dont want THAT to come out
McCain seems to think like..........he is "as healthy as American economy is", thats why he has a really serious amount of concidration to take care of if he wants to look at least a little bit Serious enough and becoming the next president of the United States of America.
Why may people not know a bout the mans mental health for god sake?
McCain campain is going to release McCains state of heath in the end of this week.....unfortunatily the only thing they release will be a bout his physichal health and the matter of mental health is still under cover secresy for sure.....I beleive very understanding they dont want THAT to come out
McCain seems to think like..........he is "as healthy as American economy is", thats why he has a really serious amount of concidration to take care of if he wants to look at least a little bit Serious enough and becoming the next president of the United States of America.
Why may people not know a bout the mans mental health for god sake?
Hell, 80% of the people on CS wonder about your mental health. I'm not sure of your point?
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opalbeauty: Wake up Alfalfa, I was actually being sarcastic on that one.
I thought you were sharper than that.
Good thing you don't engage in personal attacks! I thought you were sharper than that.
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Indyfella: Hell, 80% of the people on CS wonder about your mental health. I'm not sure of your point?
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Hot_Single_Dude: What a bout like: "Whom do you think they Can trust" instead?
I know your answer already , and I need Robbie,s point of view a bout that question.....is it all right with you TT?
I know your answer already , and I need Robbie,s point of view a bout that question.....is it all right with you TT?
Dude, all i can say is i truly hope whoever gets in will be responsible, ethical, not pulled by marginal interests and display real leadership characteristics.
In other words be a genuine honest leader who will represent the American public in a manner that befits the holder of the office.
Basically reign in the hawks and start a new policy of supporting the UN and making the organisation respected organ for sorting the worlds problems.
The policy for "my door is always open" is exactly what the next incumbant needs to do, and ignore right wing lunatics who have an agenda that is not conducive with the interests of the people.
I think whoever gets in next if they dont deliver a new start and mend an awful lot of broken fences then the office and respect for President will be totally discredited.
I hope this is pretty clear how i feel, even though i'm doped up to my eyes on pain medication.
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opalbeauty: okay, I won't reply to you anymore if you are that sensitive.
Promises promises....
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Alfalfa: I am past wondering
Nor do you, I see...
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I would gamble that if polling were done on the popularity of the UN, it would be lower than either Bush's or Congress' rating. Just a hunch? 
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Remeber the first Golf ear TT? American forces blinded the whole iraqi radar sytem, their telecommunication, bombed and bombed a gain for days and still.....
Some damn primitve scuds with echnology from the second world war still ritched to Israel even many of them was shut down by those Patriots....
TT.......
Pakistan has much more sufisticated rockets by now...and this is what we all know and I bet there is a lot secret tecnology they also have....so does iranianas But! Pakistanies have Nuclear devices....not only dirty bombs, But Real nasty nuclear devices whom are at alest as good as american Atlas or I beleive possibly as good as Titan I or at least lets say half good as those two.....You Really think they just have One single Scientist? I bet you are totaly wrong if you think so my man. They have many more and this One "public" scientist over there so we all "think" we know whom to have an eye on.....You think they just have some devices as "Dumb" as Fatman which was used a gainst Japaneese civilians during WWII and nothing more sufisticated than that?
You think all this scanning technology and so on can do any thing what so ever if some from the same security forces whom all of a sudden were involved in assisination a gaisnt their own president, decide to attack Israel? You think Pakistan is so open to american intelligency that We know every move they make what so ever? You think if those deciding to attack..will they think like civlised nations as Russia and China whom will not doing it because they dont want their country destroy after american retaliation? No TT....We have to be sure there are Real Zombies in Pakistan whom change all of a sudden with out any thing Ever could be Guessed or any intelligence can stop! Those people dont give a damn a bout their own country becomes ashes....they dont care what so ever happens after that! You understand what I am talking a bout TT?
I beleive the most of western defense systems generally are a bout .....like Counting on if we have all these huge weapons no body dares to attack us But I am totaly sure all that concidration is totaly full of weak points , thinking a bout What Dangers we , Really have in front of all of us in Western countries......
Countinues......
Some damn primitve scuds with echnology from the second world war still ritched to Israel even many of them was shut down by those Patriots....
TT.......
Pakistan has much more sufisticated rockets by now...and this is what we all know and I bet there is a lot secret tecnology they also have....so does iranianas But! Pakistanies have Nuclear devices....not only dirty bombs, But Real nasty nuclear devices whom are at alest as good as american Atlas or I beleive possibly as good as Titan I or at least lets say half good as those two.....You Really think they just have One single Scientist? I bet you are totaly wrong if you think so my man. They have many more and this One "public" scientist over there so we all "think" we know whom to have an eye on.....You think they just have some devices as "Dumb" as Fatman which was used a gainst Japaneese civilians during WWII and nothing more sufisticated than that?
You think all this scanning technology and so on can do any thing what so ever if some from the same security forces whom all of a sudden were involved in assisination a gaisnt their own president, decide to attack Israel? You think Pakistan is so open to american intelligency that We know every move they make what so ever? You think if those deciding to attack..will they think like civlised nations as Russia and China whom will not doing it because they dont want their country destroy after american retaliation? No TT....We have to be sure there are Real Zombies in Pakistan whom change all of a sudden with out any thing Ever could be Guessed or any intelligence can stop! Those people dont give a damn a bout their own country becomes ashes....they dont care what so ever happens after that! You understand what I am talking a bout TT?
I beleive the most of western defense systems generally are a bout .....like Counting on if we have all these huge weapons no body dares to attack us But I am totaly sure all that concidration is totaly full of weak points , thinking a bout What Dangers we , Really have in front of all of us in Western countries......
Countinues......
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I mean some of those so callled security forces and special troops can just decide and getting inside to those facilities with usage of suicide bombers and ....How long time you think that will take....I think half an hour maximum! The danger is there and I am totaly certain my worrying is really justified..I know Israel and USÁ will retaliate, But .....what will the number of casualties in Israel be? if that horrible senario happens....should they then nucking Iran and Pakistan and all ohter countries or what? How will Russians then retaliate?
Why cant you have another ideas a bout removing these great dangers a gains the state of Israel and the whole world actually,than all this military talking of yours TT? Dont Ever Trsut totaly on all those modern Toys ....human beings are the smartest ones any way and that being smart can be on the side of terrorists and non terrorists...you see?
Suggest some peace full ideas and forget all a bout all this military stuff....I just want to see if you can get a little bit out of your military skin. Do you really think american tecnology or Israeli tecnology or any technology can ever stopping all kind of devices heading for Israel? I dont think so actually.....thats why I want Human mind and negotiations and treaties and sanctions replacing all this dangerous game a bout whom has the biggest guns! Remeber the war between Israel and Hezbollah lately....You know more than me a bout how sufisticated Israeli weapon systems are and you also know Hezbollah weapons are most based on technologies of the first world war even....But whom won Really in that battle? Really...be honest to your self TT...Whom won in Libanon? Can you ever like being honest to your self at least a bout this question? You never answered my questions earlier a bout the latest developments in Libanon actually....Whom won? And did they listen at all to any suggestions from the Bushney,s administration?
I think it is time to trust in humanity and human ability to make impossible, possible by negotiations and supporting the development of the area economichally and starting to with draw for real and all that, instead of acting as big boys making pissing lenght game....
All "Boys" Can pissssss!!!!!! You see?
I mean some of those so callled security forces and special troops can just decide and getting inside to those facilities with usage of suicide bombers and ....How long time you think that will take....I think half an hour maximum! The danger is there and I am totaly certain my worrying is really justified..I know Israel and USÁ will retaliate, But .....what will the number of casualties in Israel be? if that horrible senario happens....should they then nucking Iran and Pakistan and all ohter countries or what? How will Russians then retaliate?
Why cant you have another ideas a bout removing these great dangers a gains the state of Israel and the whole world actually,than all this military talking of yours TT? Dont Ever Trsut totaly on all those modern Toys ....human beings are the smartest ones any way and that being smart can be on the side of terrorists and non terrorists...you see?
Suggest some peace full ideas and forget all a bout all this military stuff....I just want to see if you can get a little bit out of your military skin. Do you really think american tecnology or Israeli tecnology or any technology can ever stopping all kind of devices heading for Israel? I dont think so actually.....thats why I want Human mind and negotiations and treaties and sanctions replacing all this dangerous game a bout whom has the biggest guns! Remeber the war between Israel and Hezbollah lately....You know more than me a bout how sufisticated Israeli weapon systems are and you also know Hezbollah weapons are most based on technologies of the first world war even....But whom won Really in that battle? Really...be honest to your self TT...Whom won in Libanon? Can you ever like being honest to your self at least a bout this question? You never answered my questions earlier a bout the latest developments in Libanon actually....Whom won? And did they listen at all to any suggestions from the Bushney,s administration?
I think it is time to trust in humanity and human ability to make impossible, possible by negotiations and supporting the development of the area economichally and starting to with draw for real and all that, instead of acting as big boys making pissing lenght game....
All "Boys" Can pissssss!!!!!! You see?
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Indyfella: I would gamble that if polling were done on the popularity of the UN, it would be lower than either Bush's or Congress' rating. Just a hunch?
When has any of any of your hunches been right? I bet you hunched Bush was right about WMD
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Clean Energy is the number one priority for anyone who gets in or within the next 200 years this planet will be in such a state it will not be able to support one civilisation.
Tell you what, pour in the budget for say the DIA and employ CALTECH and MIT and every respected university in the world to find and make use of the Over under energy field then and only then will i be impressed.
Thats what the world needs, clean non polluting energy, everything else is just window dressing.
I can tell you that Bush has had a very negative role in the way our military industrial complex functions. Him and his political cabinet have actually made things much more difficult for men who knew more. It is sickening to see how haphazard they have managed this war and how carelessly they have behaved toward human life. As you said before Robbie they didn't go in to win the hearts of the Iraqi's. And the Texas Cowboy's political attitude of fighting terrorist there instead of here and "Bring it On" did not help the real cause in Iraq. Some of the ignorant armchair soldiers can talk tough and say you're a wimp if you care about human life. And if you dare use your brain to think before you act and listen to people who know more than you do. Bush will never admit a mistake. He hides and lets everyone else take the fall for him when things don't go as simple as he planned. Real leaders don't expect easy solutions and fast and easy results, they take the time to think things through, they LISTEN to other people, they explore all options. They admit when they make a mistake. Bush never admits a mistake but most of us know that Bush has abused his power in many ways....this is just one example. All Bush is really good at is covering up.