Obama for President......Octagram! ( Archived) (762)

Thanks for info on Sadam's foreign mercs. And the cells in Suadi is noted. We knew that his secret police and special units planned a guerilla war. We have thought that most of the outside fighters were either AlQeada or militants with cleric groups. Checkens have been in this big. But their connection there is via Iran.....at least we see a close connection there.

Our support of Isreal....blind to you....near sighted to many others...is not unconditional. There are things, that we have not given them. And things we are considering giving them. Things that are not even on the table for consideration. The trick is to give things that they need for thier defense, but don't upset the existing treaties with middle east Moslem countries.

It is a real tricky and tough balancing act to walk here.

Not only that, the Isreali are pretty innovative themselves. Give them F-16s, a few years later they have conformal fuel tanks on it that extends the range. We are often not talking about straight weapon transfers with them but technology transfers that their military industrial complex can use and develop. This is not to say that we have not done straight weapon deals, we have.

I think that our role has changed. Most have seen us as the peace maker in the region. Being active in Iraq, means it is hard (maybe even impossible) for the US to be the peace maker. But I also think that the recent Isreali and Syrian talks in Turkey were backchaneled by C. Rice and GWB. This might give Iran some thought, to have it major ally in the middle east, signing a peace agreement with Isreal. We still want peace in the region even ahomeland for the Palestines....just hard to get peace in the region when we are also pulling triggers there.

You watch...President A is going to be meeting soon with President S.
and some serious talking is going to occur.

Tom.

The Chechens came via the same route as every other merc, the trails were well established and the paymaster was Saddam's regime.

I think the UN is going to have to solve the middle east negotiations, to ensure the various interests have their business discussed out in the open without the threat of covert action being threatened.

Quite how dude thinks theres only a few people to deal with in Iran or the implications if say Mossad obtained concrete links between a stategic strike linking terrorists to a Nation state such as Syria.

I know exactly what the immediate response would be.

The F16's would be loaded and sent to the most opportune military target they could justify.The American president and other foriegn leaders would be on the phone begging and offering financial air not to do a raid (as has happened before) and then the C4's would arrive with even more ineffective patriot missiles.More weapons shipments would be shipped from Stansted Airport and the region would be basically be primed for all out war.

The carrot clearly is investment and development, but i doubt in some circles the will exists.

Check the flight combat radius of Israel's F-16 and F-15. Niether has the flight range to make flight to Iran without air to air refueling.
Air to air refueling means air operation over the airspace of surrounding Moslem countries with their radars watching. I don't think that those Isreali F-16s are going to make the trip to Iran, Robbie. But the Isreali have surprised us (me) in the past.

Also Isreal is has a new interceptor of its own making. Suppose to be right up there with our THAAD in accurancy. Much better than the Patriot I or II.

On the Chechens. During the Russian/Chechen conflict. The Chechen used training camp and bases within Northern Iran. Follow this a little. We know Iranian IEDs and other munitions are making their way into Iraq. Specially northern Iraq where you have the rugged terrian for safe border crossing. My thinking is that the Iranians are using them as delivery men. It makes sense though. It keeps the Iranian Qut Force from being caught in Iraq with Iran devices. We thought at one time we had caught some Iranian Qut in Iraq, they were there on diplomatic passport and documents....so Iran keeps thier direct involvement well covered....they have doing this a long time...since Lebanon and before.
They have to use someone as thier delivery man on thier devices.

Just because Sadam is (or was) paying mercs (pretty hard to now where he is, to sign cheques), doesnot mean that Iran is not a player in Iraq. Also not unknown for groups to double dip (work for two countries).This is the middle east....every body is a player and every body plays....which is sad because of the damage/death being done there.

As I said, we have lost our ability to peace talk for the most part becoming active in Iraq. So maybe it is time for UN negotiations on things there. But if they want to play a role as peace maker.... time is short......most here project Iranian nucs by mid summer 2009.

Doesn't Isreal have nucs? If Isreal would back off and act fair they wouldn't have to worry so much.

The UN is the only thing more impotent than Dude

Little Alfie, I know he's not impotent, that doesn't happen to men with brains and confidence. But I would have doubts about you.
And I see you keep trying to get my attention but really I think you need to look for another woman on this site.

Check the flight combat radius of Israel's F-16 and F-15. Niether has the flight range to make flight to Iran without air to air refueling.
Air to air refueling means air operation over the airspace of surrounding Moslem countries with their radars watching. I don't think that those Isreali F-16s are going to make the trip to Iran, Robbie. But the Isreali have surprised us (me) in the past.

Also Isreal is has a new interceptor of its own making. Suppose to be right up there with our THAAD in accurancy. Much better than the Patriot I or II.

Just because Sadam is (or was) paying mercs (pretty hard to now where he is, to sign cheques), doesnot mean that Iran is not a player in Iraq. Also not unknown for groups to double dip (work for two countries).This is the middle east....every body is a player and every body plays....which is sad because of the damage/death being done there.



Tom,

Clearly you are aware of who i would assume would supply logistical support, and clearly saddam is in the dirt but the drug money paid out but the "coalition" and other foreign funds clearly is enough to foot the bill.

As for tactical nuclear devices, and weapons caches i hate to point out the obvious that it it a standard military practice to hide assets in strategic localions around the globe.

Not only will the Americans and British have laser designators safely esconsed in foreign territory it is niave for anyone to believe other countries do not follow the same practice.
The last time i remember reading anything on the subject the Russians had "misplaced" and dont quote me on the precise number but i think it was 24 weapons.Needless to say these are small effective suitcase bombs, and apparently you can get about 4 of these in the average size car boot.

Then again after the wholesale looting of the Ukraines weapons stores and the availability of fuel rods in the former union it doesnt take a nuclear scientist to add one pound of C4, add a 1 week timer, clockwork of course, (without even mercury switches to ensure if the item is touched it detonates) and place this downtown in any city centre hich will basically mean a 1 mile poluted zone that will say make central london uninhabitable for more than a few years, basically the pollution would effectively any city unusable.

Iran has a highly professional intelligence capability, and there will be cells everywhere, professionally trained military officers, not half arsed guys who picked up a chinese make rusty AKSU last week.

My point is, don't you think any military intelligence operative in the world knows exactly how to do this?
Nobody has to wait to develope nuclear weapons, all they need is a network capability, some plastic explosive, a clock and a car to park this in in a street.

Way to much emphasis is always placed on aquiring nuclear weapons, when the real danger is plain old expended radioactive waste.

On the patriot score, the weapon is ineffective against ICBM type weapons and unguided dumb weapons, as they basically wall to the ground and blow up.I think the scuds that landed in Israel managed to kill one person, or this person actually died as a result of incorrectly fitting a gas mask.The technology doesnt work, well lets put it like this its like firing a claymore in the area of the rocket, but it still falls to the ground and goes off.

There basically a confidence builder to make people something is being done, but in military terms thee as much use as a chocolate teapot