Why Do We Indulge Delusions? (92)
Humans always believe in something, even if they believe in nothing. The world is domesticated in a sick way at times. Psychological placebos help us define our realities in a simpler way by means of a point of reference to work with. The more we know, the more we can realize and understand about ourselves, others, and our world under the milky way.
There would not be life as we know it without these spectrum of beliefs/non beliefs, archetypes, and thoughts. It's part of our spiritual evolution to learn all the lessons that are meant for our collective and individual journeys....
There would not be life as we know it without these spectrum of beliefs/non beliefs, archetypes, and thoughts. It's part of our spiritual evolution to learn all the lessons that are meant for our collective and individual journeys....
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StressFree: Humans always believe in something, even if they believe in nothing. The world is domesticated in a sick way at times. Psychological placebos help us define our realities in a simpler way by means of a point of reference to work with. The more we know, the more we can realize and understand about ourselves, others, and our world under the milky way.
There would not be life as we know it without these spectrum of beliefs/non beliefs, archetypes, and thoughts. It's part of our spiritual evolution to learn all the lessons that are meant for our collective and individual journeys....
There would not be life as we know it without these spectrum of beliefs/non beliefs, archetypes, and thoughts. It's part of our spiritual evolution to learn all the lessons that are meant for our collective and individual journeys....
Yes life has a great many of these delsuions, most of them very personal, way we deludes ourselves, truths about our own behaviors that we ignore or excuse away to avoid the pain that may be invovled in facing the truth.
Thats all part of the lesson you're saying?
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BnaturAl: Yes life has a great many of these delsuions, most of them very personal, way we deludes ourselves, truths about our own behaviors that we ignore or excuse away to avoid the pain that may be invovled in facing the truth.
Thats all part of the lesson you're saying?
Thats all part of the lesson you're saying?
Yes, part of it indeed. A significant part of it.
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StressFree: Good post brother....the medial gives us a false sense of reality....especially Hollywood...
media I meant...
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Are we inappropriately blaming it on the media though? is that just another delsuion we're not facing?
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One person's fantasy is another person's reality. I would think those who believe in some of the ideals described see them as real as you see them as false. Who's to say what is and isn't possible. After all, who would have believed 200 years ago a future with some of the technology we have today. I guess if we had theorized or believed in those possibilities they would have been look upon as false, fanciful or derived from deception.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
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BnaturAl: Are we inappropriately blaming it on the media though? is that just another delsuion we're not facing?
Yep, there are also a whole lot more institutions that we are not standing up to as well.....it's a slow process....
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BnaturAl: So you're saying these are largely escape mechanisms? ways to avoid doing the hard work necessary to take care of our own lives?
Is it wrong if they help in some way? Delusion or not, if someone turns their life around based on any delusion, can that be a good thing?
Is it wrong if they help in some way? Delusion or not, if someone turns their life around based on any delusion, can that be a good thing?
For some yes, just like drugs or alcohol.
I don't see it as a bad thing per se, unless brand x says you have conquer brand z and the rest of the planet so they conform to what's set out in some book. That's where I believe the insanity and delusion really comes out in ordinarily good people.
I will resist any form of conversion to any brand of religion. I don't want to be one of the masses I've seen waving their arms in the air singing at the top of their lungs that some mythical being is coming to save them....or end up drinking some tasty Kool Aid.
There is good in having beliefs of some sort but first and foremost, believe in yourself.
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Sparky55: One person's fantasy is another person's reality. I would think those who believe in some of the ideals described see them as real as you see them as false. Who's to say what is and isn't possible. After all, who would have believed 200 years ago a future with some of the technology we have today. I guess if we had theorized or believed in those possibilities they would have been look upon as false, fanciful or derived from deception.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
:hmmm; I think, considering things of the future, though fanciful, are not really dilusions unless one believes they definitely will happen. That could be a step beyond delusion? Predictive delusion? Its the future, so how does one prove its deluded? That kind of does me head in.
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The Devil made me do it. 
I just came out of Gilly's devil thread.
Hmmm, we must resist temptation. I am not a religious person but it still makes sense.
I got an email from a man the other day and he said in his profile and in his first email to me that he was looking for a God fearing woman.
Freaked me out a little bit but I told him that I don't fear God.
I believe God is a loving God. Some might call that a delusion....but I choose to believe in my own experiences. I won't try to convince other's to believe and I won't allow them to convince me not to believe.
I just came out of Gilly's devil thread.Hmmm, we must resist temptation. I am not a religious person but it still makes sense.
I got an email from a man the other day and he said in his profile and in his first email to me that he was looking for a God fearing woman.
Freaked me out a little bit but I told him that I don't fear God.
I believe God is a loving God. Some might call that a delusion....but I choose to believe in my own experiences. I won't try to convince other's to believe and I won't allow them to convince me not to believe.
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I think that belief in God, fate, reincarnation, etc. are all ideas that comfort people...people spend theirs lives trying to justify and support these beliefs with non-empirical evidence and faith...My grandfather, who is dead now, said a simple thing, in his old age, he was about 75 and looking toward the end of his life..he said, "I believe, when you're dead, you're dead. That's it." And he accepted that. I think we should live our lives for the reality we exist in. I don't need the tenants of any organized religion or any belief in a supreme being to be a decent human being...I don't need to be told how to behave, or to hope that there will be some reward or comfort after death if I do behave. The reward is in the hear and now, as is the pain, the sorrow, the agony, and the joy.
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kidatheart: For some yes, just like drugs or alcohol.
I don't see it as a bad thing per se, unless brand x says you have conquer brand z and the rest of the planet so they conform to what's set out in some book. That's where I believe the insanity and delusion really comes out in ordinarily good people.
I will resist any form of conversion to any brand of religion. I don't want to be one of the masses I've seen waving their arms in the air singing at the top of their lungs that some mythical being is coming to save them....or end up drinking some tasty Kool Aid.
There is good in having beliefs of some sort but first and foremost, believe in yourself.
I don't see it as a bad thing per se, unless brand x says you have conquer brand z and the rest of the planet so they conform to what's set out in some book. That's where I believe the insanity and delusion really comes out in ordinarily good people.
I will resist any form of conversion to any brand of religion. I don't want to be one of the masses I've seen waving their arms in the air singing at the top of their lungs that some mythical being is coming to save them....or end up drinking some tasty Kool Aid.
There is good in having beliefs of some sort but first and foremost, believe in yourself.
some good points kid. How about those delusions that are forced and or imposed on us? Some offer no resistence at all, some accept without question, while others fight to the death against them and you can quite simply in your own mind beleive what you want, despite the world around us.
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BnaturAl: :hmmm; I think, considering things of the future, though fanciful, are not really dilusions unless one believes they definitely will happen. That could be a step beyond delusion? Predictive delusion? Its the future, so how does one prove its deluded? That kind of does me head in.
Yeah, the whole thing could destroy many a brain cell. I try not to think about it too much as I don't have too many left..
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Portiea: I think that belief in God, fate, reincarnation, etc. are all ideas that comfort people...people spend theirs lives trying to justify and support these beliefs with non-empirical evidence and faith...My grandfather, who is dead now, said a simple thing, in his old age, he was about 75 and looking toward the end of his life..he said, "I believe, when you're dead, you're dead. That's it." And he accepted that. I think we should live our lives for the reality we exist in. I don't need the tenants of any organized religion or any belief in a supreme being to be a decent human being...I don't need to be told how to behave, or to hope that there will be some reward or comfort after death if I do behave. The reward is in the hear and now, as is the pain, the sorrow, the agony, and the joy.
Yes Portiea, this is the same for many of us. I don't need organized religion to be a decent human being and I'm sure millions of others dont'. I don't believe in Heaven and Hell and I don't fear what is after death, it still doesn't take away from my own Spiritual experiences.
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opalbeauty: The Devil made me do it. I just came out of Gilly's devil thread.
Hmmm, we must resist temptation. I am not a religious person but it still makes sense.
I got an email from a man the other day and he said in his profile and in his first email to me that he was looking for a God fearing woman.
Freaked me out a little bit but I told him that I don't fear God.
I believe God is a loving God. Some might call that a delusion....but I choose to believe in my own experiences. I won't try to convince other's to believe and I won't allow them to convince me not to believe.
Hmmm, we must resist temptation. I am not a religious person but it still makes sense.
I got an email from a man the other day and he said in his profile and in his first email to me that he was looking for a God fearing woman.
Freaked me out a little bit but I told him that I don't fear God.
I believe God is a loving God. Some might call that a delusion....but I choose to believe in my own experiences. I won't try to convince other's to believe and I won't allow them to convince me not to believe.
I think a great deal of the populace is fed up with the forced delsuions and with those who do as you say try to convince others.
The very nature of discussion is in a sense learning about the nature of opposing views and in so doing one can become convinced of alternate views. So, for you, youre saying its pushy people or is it just people in general, regardless of what they have to say, you're aren't not budging from your beliefs delusional or otherwise?
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BnaturAl: "A delusion is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception."
Wikipedia.-
As humans we are born into this world and almost immediately bombarded with delusional characters, Santa Clause, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, the sandman etc. Generally speaking as we grow up we let go of these delusions; but, as adults we grasp new characters and questionable beliefs, again none of which exist or show even the least bit of proof of existence... and much less, logic.
the biggies but there are many more-
god
reincarnation
jesus
bible and other religious textsIs it that we just have to believe in something or are these largely unnecessary components of life? How different would life be without these beliefs? Are they simply psychological placebos for the troubled soul?
Wikipedia.-
As humans we are born into this world and almost immediately bombarded with delusional characters, Santa Clause, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, the sandman etc. Generally speaking as we grow up we let go of these delusions; but, as adults we grasp new characters and questionable beliefs, again none of which exist or show even the least bit of proof of existence... and much less, logic.
the biggies but there are many more-
god
reincarnation
jesus
bible and other religious textsIs it that we just have to believe in something or are these largely unnecessary components of life? How different would life be without these beliefs? Are they simply psychological placebos for the troubled soul?
For some I believe it is a crutch...for others the need to have faith in a higher being in order to make some sense of death and hold out hope for a life after...I have seen soooooooo many people...ex-druggies...alcoholics...prisoners...etc turn to religion as a basis to say...see look at me...I am now embracing religion therefore I am a better person....yet beneath the facade lies the same person with a different mask.....It's not hard to tell these so called people who are saved....just look at their actions...but then again maybe they think once they embrace religion....that excuses their actions and all will be forgiven....I think they use religion as an excuse not to deal with their real problems but to hang them someplace else......
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Hugz_n_Kissez: For some I believe it is a crutch...for others the need to have faith in a higher being in order to make some sense of death and hold out hope for a life after...I have seen soooooooo many people...ex-druggies...alcoholics...prisoners...etc turn to religion as a basis to say...see look at me...I am now embracing religion therefore I am a better person....yet beneath the facade lies the same person with a different mask.....It's not hard to tell these so called people who are saved....just look at their actions...but then again maybe they think once they embrace religion....that excuses their actions and all will be forgiven....I think they use religion as an excuse not to deal with their real problems but to hang them someplace else......
Very interesting!!
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Sparky55: One person's fantasy is another person's reality. I would think those who believe in some of the ideals described see them as real as you see them as false. Who's to say what is and isn't possible. After all, who would have believed 200 years ago a future with some of the technology we have today. I guess if we had theorized or believed in those possibilities they would have been look upon as false, fanciful or derived from deception.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
I suppose we'll all find out or not when we kick the bucket. In the mean time, I don't think it's wrong or invalid for those who believe to believe as they wish just as others are free to not believe.
Excellent perspective....and it wasn't necessary to kick someone else's belief system around.
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Portiea: I think that belief in God, fate, reincarnation, etc. are all ideas that comfort people...people spend theirs lives trying to justify and support these beliefs with non-empirical evidence and faith...My grandfather, who is dead now, said a simple thing, in his old age, he was about 75 and looking toward the end of his life..he said, "I believe, when you're dead, you're dead. That's it." And he accepted that. I think we should live our lives for the reality we exist in. I don't need the tenants of any organized religion or any belief in a supreme being to be a decent human being...I don't need to be told how to behave, or to hope that there will be some reward or comfort after death if I do behave. The reward is in the hear and now, as is the pain, the sorrow, the agony, and the joy.
The comfort becomes real for you.
I also think the end is the end, cognitively speaking.
Can you? and can we, acquire, feel and experience that comfort without the belief in something we have no proof for? Or is it that (unknown aspect) nature of an imagined god that makes it better?
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Wikipedia.-
As humans we are born into this world and almost immediately bombarded with delusional characters, Santa Clause, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, the sandman etc. Generally speaking as we grow up we let go of these delusions; but, as adults we grasp new characters and questionable beliefs, again none of which exist or show even the least bit of proof of existence... and much less, logic.
the biggies but there are many more-
god
reincarnation
jesus
bible and other religious texts
Is it that we just have to believe in something or are these largely unnecessary components of life? How different would life be without these beliefs? Are they simply psychological placebos for the troubled soul?