How important is freedom to you in life ? ( Archived) (56)

Aug 17, 2008 8:18 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
woody636: Sorry dude, don't agree. What do you mean that the government is driving people nuts? 10 years ago I could leave my house/car unlocked. Doesn't happen now unless I want everything inside to disappear! That has nothing to do with the government and all to do with families and how they raise/ educate their children. I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming all their problems on the government. Brainwashing kids - hardly likely!! More like no parental involvement so the kids run wild! Government directing them into atrocities? Where, when, and how. Give me a break!!!


Bingo! Root cause of most of Americas problems start in the HOMES! Has nothing to do with government. In fact, most of the complaining about government has to do with the fact that government has to constantly react to the inexorable decline in personal responsibility, morality and ethics because parents in America are too busy working to be engaged in their primary responsibility: raising their kids to be good citizens!! Almost all of our "faults" are a result of a near complete failure of basic citizenship.

Even with her problems: There is NO WHERE on earth that I would rather live! And obviously I am not alone: people from all over the globe do whatever they can to come here! I don't hear about Russia having to fend off the influx of 12 million illegals!

But...sadly, it can't last forever...very few democracies, throughout human history, have lasted more then about 200 years...and we are already on over-time! Every single one has degraded into some form of dictatorship. Every one!! It will/is happening here...hopefully America won't complete this inevitable cycle in my life time but...who can say?
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Aug 17, 2008 8:21 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
bushbun: No, I am not from USA. Just live there for now. Where exactly am I coming from or what nationality am I ; It just doesn't matter...I am fluent in five languages and messages left are understanding for those literate...


If I were to guess, I would say you are from a Euro country. US schools much prefer to develop gangs instead of educate..frustrated
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Aug 17, 2008 8:25 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
It's not the home that is the problem.... it's the village....no one is pitching in to raise my kids. Do I have to do all the work? I made the kids for gods sake.... do I have to raise them too. What does everyone expect from me?

Just kidding, I have no kids.


Zee
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Aug 17, 2008 8:56 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
Zeelander: It's not the home that is the problem.... it's the village....no one is pitching in to raise my kids. Do I have to do all the work? I made the kids for gods sake.... do I have to raise them too. What does everyone expect from me?

Just kidding, I have no kids.Zee



rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

Sadly, some people DO think that way....
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Aug 17, 2008 9:07 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
HJFinAZ: If I were to guess, I would say you are from a Euro country. US schools much prefer to develop gangs instead of educate..


lol...it seems that way doesn't it? We don't seem to want educated, intelligent, critical-thinkers anymore...I think the government would prefer "obedient workers"...."useful eaters" is the Codex term for them....
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Aug 17, 2008 9:56 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Having seen "freedom' in many places around the world, I have observed that the majority of peoples couldn't really care less about it, so long as they can feed their families, and if one of theirs are carted off and disappears, well, that's one less mouth to feed and one less to worry about...the only ones that complain or whine about any lack of 'freedom' are the ones who are not on the side enforcing 'public order'.
Some actually do become enraged at what 'Freedoms' are taken from them and out of this outrage join groups along with social outcasts, opportunists' criminals etc. and call themselves 'patriots'. The State, of course labels them all as 'terrorists' and all their friends, families and relatives are put into dire jeopardy as the State begins to hunt them down. Old formula; old scenarios for old roles; a dance of death. If one is not on the side of the so called 'law and order' State then one cannot adequately take care of one's family and so, those begin to hunt down or turn in their own for some small rewards that make their own selfish lives a bit easier to bear. As the old adage goes, any policeman's life life is only easy in a police state....
And we all know that should the State finally be brought down, everyone was a secret patriot...sue they were...are; and the cycle will soon begin again...
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Aug 17, 2008 10:03 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
somechick: To do something positive without feeling any social or psychological pressures.

Too much freedom isn't good however. Sometimes others know what is better for you. Freedom with out control is like a blind bird.


For teenagers and children I whole heartedly agree.thumbs up

but when the big picture is considered if the ones in control have their own agenda.....and regrettably most do.
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Aug 17, 2008 10:12 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
Well put.
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Aug 17, 2008 10:13 AM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
Well put.
gypsykisses: freedom is a state of mind... I don't expect everyone to understand the concept so buzz off in advance.


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Well put.
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Aug 17, 2008 12:43 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
bushbun
bushbunbushbunMinneapolis, Minnesota USA22 Threads 5 Polls 466 Posts
Cherokeegrandma: Does my humble opinion as a Cherokee native count, or would you prefer to ask about freedom in the USA any of our tribal members of the 550 official recognized Native American First People´s Nations serve you better?????????????????? having in mind I am a very free and independant spirit, personaly I prefer the freedom I do have here in Spain.







I totally recognize you...I have even tried to awake your people and have them open their eyes. They are either stubborn or politically corrupt...I believe both....very sad and catastrophic !
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Aug 17, 2008 12:51 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
bushbun
bushbunbushbunMinneapolis, Minnesota USA22 Threads 5 Polls 466 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: Bingo! Root cause of most of Americas problems start in the HOMES! Has nothing to do with government. In fact, most of the complaining about government has to do with the fact that government has to constantly react to the inexorable decline in personal responsibility, morality and ethics because parents in America are too busy working to be engaged in their primary responsibility: raising their kids to be good citizens!! Almost all of our "faults" are a result of a near complete failure of basic citizenship.

Even with her problems: There is NO WHERE on earth that I would rather live! And obviously I am not alone: people from all over the globe do whatever they can to come here! I don't hear about Russia having to fend off the influx of 12 million illegals!

But...sadly, it can't last forever...very few democracies, throughout human history, have lasted more then about 200 years...and we are already on over-time! Every single one has degraded into some form of dictatorship. Every one!! It will/is happening here...hopefully America won't complete this inevitable cycle in my life time but...who can say?












Parents are subject to governmental preferences as well....victims are carefully evaluated via their economical status, education...etc.

Parents face surrender of their kids to the system's mercy at almost gunpoint....if not, they can begun life of endless unemployment...

Government target families where there are several kids in family(preferentially two)...having one to excel in school while other is ruined...sacrificed....

It's all about cover up....state covers all traces behind(almost all...).
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Aug 17, 2008 12:55 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
bushbun: Parents are subject to governmental preferences as well....victims are carefully evaluated via their economical status, education...etc.

Parents face surrender of their kids to the system's mercy at almost gunpoint....if not, they can begun life of endless unemployment...

Government target families where there are several kids in family(preferentially two)...having one to excel in school while other is ruined...sacrificed....

It's all about cover up....state covers all traces behind(almost all...).


Sounds like a stretch to me....any evidence to back this up?
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Aug 17, 2008 12:58 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
bushbun
bushbunbushbunMinneapolis, Minnesota USA22 Threads 5 Polls 466 Posts
Cherokeegrandma: Does my humble opinion as a Cherokee native count, or would you prefer to ask about freedom in the USA any of our tribal members of the 550 official recognized Native American First People´s Nations serve you better?????????????????? having in mind I am a very free and independant spirit, personaly I prefer the freedom I do have here in Spain.











Again....Indians in South America have their governments or entre countries(Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia etc.). You in USA have on the other hand nothing...I will not go into it...


If you d managed to create bond(which is to stop being so damn arrogant about yourself as original Indians from Northern America) with your South American connection, they would absolutely help you out raise your voice and create more rights within ghetto(what US is).

No connection means being aliened and US politicians love it !

Think about it...
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Aug 17, 2008 12:59 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
bushbun
bushbunbushbunMinneapolis, Minnesota USA22 Threads 5 Polls 466 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: Sounds like a stretch to me....any evidence to back this up?









In every case...because they are all the same....
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Aug 17, 2008 1:00 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
bushbun: In every case...because they are all the same....


Which case of what? confused
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Aug 17, 2008 1:04 PM CST How important is freedom to you in life ?
HondoLaneNJ: Bingo! Root cause of most of Americas problems start in the HOMES! Has nothing to do with government. In fact, most of the complaining about government has to do with the fact that government has to constantly react to the inexorable decline in personal responsibility, morality and ethics because parents in America are too busy working to be engaged in their primary responsibility: raising their kids to be good citizens!! Almost all of our "faults" are a result of a near complete failure of basic citizenship.

Even with her problems: There is NO WHERE on earth that I would rather live! And obviously I am not alone: people from all over the globe do whatever they can to come here! I don't hear about Russia having to fend off the influx of 12 million illegals!

But...sadly, it can't last forever...very few democracies, throughout human history, have lasted more then about 200 years...and we are already on over-time! Every single one has degraded into some form of dictatorship. Every one!! It will/is happening here...hopefully America won't complete this inevitable cycle in my life time but...who can say?
ICELAND in one form or another???Same goes for Switzerland.popcorn
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