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Aug 28, 2008 11:17 PM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
I know all politicians love to raise taxes to a point. GWB Gave many tax credits for marriage, children and the most of the working class. Barak OBama vows to take all of these taxe credits away.

My Question is....

Since Democrats like to raise taxes in general more than Republicans, shouldn't the system be set up that the only people that pay taxes are registered Democrats since they like paying higher taxes and all others are exempt?

Zee
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Aug 28, 2008 11:20 PM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
tipaly81
tipaly81tipaly81Moscow, Idaho USA71 Threads 15 Polls 1,334 Posts
Zeelander: I know all politicians love to raise taxes to a point. GWB Gave many tax credits for marriage, children and the most of the working class. Barak OBama vows to take all of these taxe credits away.

My Question is....

Since Democrats like to raise taxes in general more than Republicans, shouldn't the system be set up that the only people that pay taxes are registered Democrats since they like paying higher taxes and all others are exempt?

Zee


I don't know, but I do feel that if we are paying large amounts we should feel and see the benefits of those taxes. So far, we are being sucked dry and then left in a ditch. very mad
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Aug 28, 2008 11:23 PM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
tipaly81: I don't know, but I do feel that if we are paying large amounts we should feel and see the benefits of those taxes. So far, we are being sucked dry and then left in a ditch.


I agree..

Zee
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Aug 29, 2008 4:25 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 7 Polls 3,812 Posts
tipaly81: I don't know, but I do feel that if we are paying large amounts we should feel and see the benefits of those taxes. So far, we are being sucked dry and then left in a ditch.



The problem is that you have to make up for the damage GW did by giving the tax breaks before you will see any benefits , here is the bit I don’t get , why do the tax your wages and then tax the products that you buy with what’s left of your wages surly they can just tax the hell out of you wages and leave what you spend it on alone so at least you know exactly how much you are paying the gov
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Aug 29, 2008 4:52 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
crotalus_p: The problem is that you have to make up for the damage GW did by giving the tax breaks before you will see any benefits , here is the bit I don’t get , why do the tax your wages and then tax the products that you buy with what’s left of your wages surly they can just tax the hell out of you wages and leave what you spend it on alone so at least you know exactly how much you are paying the gov
What makes you believe that High Taxes equate a High Standard of Living?grin dunno
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Aug 29, 2008 5:44 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 7 Polls 3,812 Posts
Conrad73: What makes you believe that High Taxes equate a High Standard of Living?



nothing but if you are to reach a High Standard of Living the damage must be repaired first
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Aug 29, 2008 6:20 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
crotalus_p: nothing but if you are to reach a High Standard of Living the damage must be repaired first
Usually Citizens know better what to do with their OWN Money,than Government does.wave
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Aug 29, 2008 6:23 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada33 Threads 24,897 Posts
Conrad73: Usually Citizens know better what to do with their OWN Money,than Government does.



Like booze and cigarettes?laugh


Americans don't know what it's like to be taxed. Try living in other countries and see what they pay.roll eyes
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Aug 29, 2008 6:30 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA230 Threads 9 Polls 27,698 Posts
crotalus_p: The problem is that you have to make up for the damage GW did by giving the tax breaks before you will see any benefits , here is the bit I don’t get , why do the tax your wages and then tax the products that you buy with what’s left of your wages surly they can just tax the hell out of you wages and leave what you spend it on alone so at least you know exactly how much you are paying the gov



It's a shell game. American's pay about 50% when it's all said and done....the taxes are hidden.
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Aug 29, 2008 7:37 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
kidatheart: Like booze and cigarettes? Americans don't know what it's like to be taxed. Try living in other countries and see what they pay.
Lived in the Bahamas 36 years.

No Income Taxes.

Stamp Duties
Customs Duties
Certain Corporate Taxes

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Aug 29, 2008 7:52 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaIbiza, Balearic Islands Spain133 Threads 6 Polls 7,679 Posts
I see the biggest problem with taxes is the structure and lack of accountability. This idea of paying into the Federal tax system so that things can be reallocated in a balanced manner is crap... rich areas stay rich, poor areas stay poor and in the meantime while the money is trickling back down to a local level money disappears with no accounting.

I believe that all taxes should be paid on a local level with that tax agency paying the Federal govt. a certain percentage and then keeping the rest of the money on a local level where there is more accountability. A budget on a local level is so much easier to monitor then a federal budget.
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Aug 29, 2008 7:55 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaIbiza, Balearic Islands Spain133 Threads 6 Polls 7,679 Posts
Conrad73: Lived in the Bahamas 36 years.

No Income Taxes.

Stamp Duties
Customs Duties
Certain Corporate Taxes



Not being a smart a** here Conrad... I´m genuinly curious... How did they pay for police, fire deptartment, health care etc.
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Aug 29, 2008 9:13 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
Rich areas stay rich and poor areas stay poor.... this is true, but is it my job to give my hard earned cash to people who are as fit as I am, but not willing to work? I know that not all people are as physically healthy as I am, but there are other things that they can do. If people want to receive my tax dollars, let them work 20 hours a week picking up garbage on the highways. 20 hours a week won't kill them and it will give them time to look for a job and or get an education.

Zee
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Aug 29, 2008 9:17 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaIbiza, Balearic Islands Spain133 Threads 6 Polls 7,679 Posts
Zeelander: Rich areas stay rich and poor areas stay poor.... this is true, but is it my job to give my hard earned cash to people who are as fit as I am, but not willing to work? I know that not all people are as physically healthy as I am, but there are other things that they can do. If people want to receive my tax dollars, let them work 20 hours a week picking up garbage on the highways. 20 hours a week won't kill them and it will give them time to look for a job and or get an education.

Zee



... but that´s degrading and demeaning work... they don´t even make convicts do that any more...confused
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Aug 29, 2008 9:17 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaIbiza, Balearic Islands Spain133 Threads 6 Polls 7,679 Posts
Zeelander: Rich areas stay rich and poor areas stay poor.... this is true, but is it my job to give my hard earned cash to people who are as fit as I am, but not willing to work? I know that not all people are as physically healthy as I am, but there are other things that they can do. If people want to receive my tax dollars, let them work 20 hours a week picking up garbage on the highways. 20 hours a week won't kill them and it will give them time to look for a job and or get an education.

Zee



... but that´s degrading and demeaning work... they don´t even make convicts do that any more...confused
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Aug 29, 2008 9:18 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
Being a Congressman should also be a part time job at the federal level.... wait..... it is..... States should control their own destiny without interference from other states. If there is a disaster in a state it is the responsibility of that state to render aid and not the federal government. This is why we pay insurance.

OMG I could go on forever on this.... but I will spare y'all.

Zee
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Aug 29, 2008 9:23 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza: ... but that´s degrading and demeaning work... they don´t even make convicts do that any more...



Here in Ohio they do. They also make convicts work up in the mountains in Southern California helping the county clear out dead trees etc.
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Aug 29, 2008 9:23 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaIbiza, Balearic Islands Spain133 Threads 6 Polls 7,679 Posts
Zeelander: Being a Congressman should also be a part time job at the federal level.... wait..... it is..... States should control their own destiny without interference from other states. If there is a disaster in a state it is the responsibility of that state to render aid and not the federal government. This is why we pay insurance.

OMG I could go on forever on this.... but I will spare y'all.

Zee



Exactly, but how can a state control their own destiny when all the money has been paid in at a federal level and that money may or may not ever be seen again....
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Aug 29, 2008 9:23 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA117 Threads 8 Polls 2,942 Posts
jbibiza: ... but that´s degrading and demeaning work... they don´t even make convicts do that any more...


Oh, I know.... When I was in the Air Force we had White collar criminals on our base mowing lawns on riding mowers.... we as enlisted military had to cut tumbleweeds by hand.... I was a Jet Engine Mechanic, who is treated better?

If working is degrading, then no one should have to work and the government should just print cash and divide it equally. Work is work... a job is a job..... Cleaning the highways has to be done by someone.

Zee
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Aug 29, 2008 9:25 AM CST Just a thought on Taxes....
jbibiza: Not being a smart a** here Conrad... I´m genuinly curious... How did they pay for police, fire deptartment, health care etc.
Seems there was always quite a bit money coming in Offshore Banking and other Corporations registered there for Taxpurposes.
Then of course there was National Insurance,into which everyone working had to pay into.
Some of those monies were used in part for Health-care,and "Old Age Pensions".
Then of Course the Tourism Industry




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