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Sep 12, 2008 7:27 AM CST America
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
someone knows some big words but is incoherently verbose. giggle







peace
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Sep 12, 2008 7:27 AM CST America
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Sommerauer71: I have to agree.

It was ten years a few weeks back, yes, the Omagh anniversary?

We do it quietly, grieving for our lost ones...


In defense of the American voice (which i have little right to do really), they are a relatively new nation with very little in the years of history as compared to the European nations. And likewise an unknown feeling for such an act on their own soil. All nations in Europe have experienced war on their own soil from foreign interests at one time or another. The European ability to deal with this in a quiet fashion is quite mature but it is to be expected from nations who have had and seen this sort of thing for eons. A little desensitized but in essence a more mature (as in developed and experienced) attitude about the nautre of such atrocity. The United States and Canada are children in comparison regarding this loss. Much akin to children suffering a terrible loss, as compared to adults. While both feel the loss in their own way and similar depth, one has the ability to deal with it in a more passive manner.

JMO (cause we all know I do have a rather vocal one)

No offense sweet lady just a continuance of a light debate of sorts...hug
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Sep 12, 2008 7:38 AM CST America
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
BarrenPneuma: In defense of the American voice (which i have little right to do really), they are a relatively new nation with very little in the years of history as compared to the European nations. And likewise an unknown feeling for such an act on their own soil. All nations in Europe have experienced war on their own soil from foreign interests at one time or another. The European ability to deal with this in a quiet fashion is quite mature but it is to be expected from nations who have had and seen this sort of thing for eons. A little desensitized but in essence a more mature (as in developed and experienced) attitude about the nautre of such atrocity. The United States and Canada are children in comparison regarding this loss. Much akin to children suffering a terrible loss, as compared to adults. While both feel the loss in their own way and similar depth, one has the ability to deal with it in a more passive manner.

JMO (cause we all know I do have a rather vocal one)

No offense sweet lady just a continuance of a light debate of sorts...


None taken at all my dear, I think we are adult enough to know and understand that.

I fully concur with what you are saying and I think you have certainly put a different spin on things, I think that Americans, and I have that in ,my family, are a 'young' country, you are right.

The horrors of 9/11 were indeed shocking, I feel as much sadness as the next person, a major event in my lifetime that I will always remember when I first heard it.

I do understadn where the Canadian gent is coming from and Falling Man and I do think that as you so correctly state that we are 'mature' in our coping of what has happened to us, we accept it has happened and grieve quietly.

I think we are emotionally quieter, but then we have had a lot more years of practice...

hug
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Sep 12, 2008 7:38 AM CST America
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
BnaturAl: someone knows some big words but is incoherently verbose.


If you don't agree with me - fine! I don't think there was anything either incoherent or verbose about what I said. Or is my crime that I know too many words?

dunno
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Sep 12, 2008 7:52 AM CST America
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
America....I've been there.

IT WAS GREAT!!!!!



thumbs up
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Sep 12, 2008 7:59 AM CST America
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Fallingman: If you don't agree with me - fine! I don't think there was anything either incoherent or verbose about what I said. Or is my crime that I know too many words?


then why would you assume you were the 'someone'? dunno
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Sep 12, 2008 8:03 AM CST America
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
BnaturAl: then why would you assume you were the 'someone'?


My apologies then. You posted immediately after me. wave
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Sep 12, 2008 8:11 AM CST America
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
BarrenPneuma: If on the anniversary of some specific horror in your life, oh lets say your child passed, how would you perceive the words of a person coming to you and espousing all the little or big things that they did wrong in their life?
Imagine for instance "Oh Johnny was so young to have been taken so soon..." and your response is "yeah but remember how Johnny smoked pot and he did like to drink back in the day." "Hell everyone knows that smoking kills, you should have expected him to die!" "I never like Johnny, so I am kind of glad to see him go, he was a bit opinionated for my liking anyway."
Your first post here was rude and crude... Why? (in response to I Love you!). No country is perfect and neither is any person, but no one with any sort of decency deems it their business to point it out on a day like this. Just put your head down and try to remember the dead and lost on that day, how would any of them feel about your words? They cannot respond any longer but you can with some respect.


Thank you Barrne Pneuma. Very well said.
teddybear
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Sep 12, 2008 8:12 AM CST America
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Barren
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Sep 12, 2008 8:20 AM CST America
Romanticman1
Romanticman1Romanticman1Virginia Beach, Virginia USA2 Threads 21 Posts
First I say great thread. A thread where American's can come together, stand tall and be proud to be an American. And what a better way to show the world that we as Americans are proud of our country. The strongest, wealthiest country in the world than on an AMERICAN WEBSITE!!!!!! I say thank you to those Americans that decided to share this great web site with the world.

Peace and harmony to all peace

GOG BLESS THE USA
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Sep 12, 2008 8:20 AM CST America
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Fallingman: My apologies then. You posted immediately after me.


its a big thread.. wink cheers
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Sep 12, 2008 8:21 AM CST America
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Romanticman1: First I say great thread. A thread where American's can come together, stand tall and be proud to be an American. And what a better way to show the world that we as Americans are proud of our country. The strongest, wealthiest country in the world than on an AMERICAN WEBSITE!!!!!! I say thank you to those Americans that decided to share this great web site with the world.

Peace and harmony to all

GOG BLESS THE USA


What about Magog?blushing
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Sep 12, 2008 8:23 AM CST America
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
BarrenPneuma: Nothing he said in and of itself was particularly hurtful but the manner and timing was not well thought out. He saw how it was received and continued to submit ideologies that would best have been posed in another thread and perhaps on a different day. It was the persistence that was more offensive than the words.


This was put so plain that even someone with a clouded judgment could see it, well let's hope anyway.

(((Fallingman))) I now see how you perceive things on an American people as a whole. May I point out to you sir that all Americans are not a whole of one ethnicity group, there are many many over here that have come to live in a place that allows them and us to co exist and to (the majority) respect the beliefs of others. I say that Americans as a "whole" are human beings in "A" place taking crap from other places that have not lived through what America did. All types and walks of life died and saved and only "1" ethnic group killed. People need to do some deep thinking before they start running their mouths about Americans as a whole as opposed to stating a specific government issue, get real, we are real people too. We all put our britches on the same way.
When people like you, and yes I am pointing out "people like you" that has so much dislike, for a better word towards people "like me" because of our government? well it just makes me want tobarf
I have seen other cultures and open and it has opened up my eyes to other ways of life, too bad "people like you" don't do the same.

Hatred.................................what a waste of energy, and seems sadly enough it is stronger than love...........what a waste to "people like you"

blues

"people like us" still love "people like you"hug

Roll on Americans, because we rockhead banger

tRlips rose
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Sep 12, 2008 8:25 AM CST America
Romanticman1
Romanticman1Romanticman1Virginia Beach, Virginia USA2 Threads 21 Posts
sorry typo


GOD BLESS THE USA
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Sep 12, 2008 8:46 AM CST America
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Sommerauer71: I have to agree.

It was ten years a few weeks back, yes, the Omagh anniversary?

We do it quietly, grieving for our lost ones...


your true colors are shining dearroll eyes Please forgive those of us that wanted to come together from all over the world and have a share of grief, didn't know that was so crassroll eyes the only crassness I have seen on these few threads that harbor dislike,,,(for want of a more accurate word for it), because I choose to use it. Oh and we respect the fact that ya'll mourn ya'll's differently.............................applause
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Sep 12, 2008 9:02 AM CST America
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
irishlass45: your true colors are shining dear Please forgive those of us that wanted to come together from all over the world and have a share of grief, didn't know that was so crass the only crassness I have seen on these few threads that harbor dislike,,,(for want of a more accurate word for it), because I choose to use it. Oh and we respect the fact that ya'll mourn ya'll's differently.............................


I am afraid R, you have lost me there, my true colours, this is my opinion, I have openly stated my views.

I have not stated that I dislike Americans, but I can disagree with views, as an adult I do believe that. As you do, that is not to say that we cannot do it respectively.

Every country on this earth has suffered loss, from wars, from terrorism, I think you will find that I include my own country there.

9/11 will raise emotions, throughout the world, because many nations from that one dreadful incident suffered, it was on American soil, it should not have been on any soil, but each country is different, we have different views, my friend is now married to a Brit who lost his first wife in that atrocity, it touched the world because of the loss, wherever it happened.

We do grieve quietly in Europe, we are used to it, it was three years since 7/7, but there was no shouting about how wonderful we Brits are, we do it quietly, because we are as Barren states, used to it.

If you see it as 'crass' then that is your view, I respect that, like some people see America as crass, but to become defensive and combative when all people on this thread and all the others have been respectful is crass in my view.

You know there is a Danish pure bashing thread because of one poster who does not conform to America's view, he is being single out because of his views, that is crass, his whole country has a thread dedicated to how crap it is.

I am not crass at all R, never have been, never will be, I mentioned Omagh, no threads came together to mourn that loss, possibly in the Irish forums, because they are quiet about it.

We are having people here shouting and procrastinating, elegance and dignity will always shine through and because of three people here, who are being respectful, we are now being called crass and 'our true colours are shining through'

I am afraid to say, that I think you have misread the situation.

Being attacked is a horrible atrocity to happen to anybody, to lose lives over that is a travesty. but for an International Forum of people of all races, creed and beliefs to fall out is what is crass...

And I say that without prejudice.

And that is not to say, that I do not belittle what happened on September 11 2001, what I do have a problem with is when American citizens think that they are the only ones who have suffered.

They are not, we all have.

How it comes out is different, you see that as crass, I see it as respectful and appreciate different views and thoughts.
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Sep 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST America
Romanticman1
Romanticman1Romanticman1Virginia Beach, Virginia USA2 Threads 21 Posts
Sommerauer71: I am afraid R, you have lost me there, my true colours, this is my opinion, I have openly stated my views.

I have not stated that I dislike Americans, but I can disagree with views, as an adult I do believe that. As you do, that is not to say that we cannot do it respectively.

Every country on this earth has suffered loss, from wars, from terrorism, I think you will find that I include my own country there.

9/11 will raise emotions, throughout the world, because many nations from that one dreadful incident suffered, it was on American soil, it should not have been on any soil, but each country is different, we have different views, my friend is now married to a Brit who lost his first wife in that atrocity, it touched the world because of the loss, wherever it happened.

We do grieve quietly in Europe, we are used to it, it was three years since 7/7, but there was no shouting about how wonderful we Brits are, we do it quietly, because we are as Barren states, used to it.

If you see it as 'crass' then that is your view, I respect that, like some people see America as crass, but to become defensive and combative when all people on this thread and all the others have been respectful is crass in my view.

You know there is a Danish pure bashing thread because of one poster who does not conform to America's view, he is being single out because of his views, that is crass, his whole country has a thread dedicated to how crap it is.

I am not crass at all R, never have been, never will be, I mentioned Omagh, no threads came together to mourn that loss, possibly in the Irish forums, because they are quiet about it.

We are having people here shouting and procrastinating, elegance and dignity will always shine through and because of three people here, who are being respectful, we are now being called crass and 'our true colours are shining through'

I am afraid to say, that I think you have misread the situation.

Being attacked is a horrible atrocity to happen to anybody, to lose lives over that is a travesty. but for an International Forum of people of all races, creed and beliefs to fall out is what is crass...

And I say that without prejudice.

And that is not to say, that I do not belittle what happened on September 11 2001, what I do have a problem with is when American citizens think that they are the only ones who have suffered.

They are not, we all have.

How it comes out is different, you see that as crass, I see it as respectful and appreciate different views and thoughts.


If you were really trying to be respectful as you say you are little lady, you and that other gentleman would had abided by number 3 on the forum rules. The thread title was, AMERICA. When you opened it up it clearly states: I LOVE YOU. Here is something for you to ask yourself.

Where in that title and quote of the OP did I feel the "respect" to jump in with my negative different point of views toward how the Americans were showing their praise for their country? Please answer this question to yourself and save yourself from the embarrassment.
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Sep 12, 2008 9:48 AM CST America
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Sommerauer71: I am afraid R, you have lost me there, my true colours, this is my opinion, I have openly stated my views.

I have not stated that I dislike Americans, but I can disagree with views, as an adult I do believe that. As you do, that is not to say that we cannot do it respectively.

Every country on this earth has suffered loss, from wars, from terrorism, I think you will find that I include my own country there.

9/11 will raise emotions, throughout the world, because many nations from that one dreadful incident suffered, it was on American soil, it should not have been on any soil, but each country is different, we have different views, my friend is now married to a Brit who lost his first wife in that atrocity, it touched the world because of the loss, wherever it happened.

We do grieve quietly in Europe, we are used to it, it was three years since 7/7, but there was no shouting about how wonderful we Brits are, we do it quietly, because we are as Barren states, used to it.

If you see it as 'crass' then that is your view, I respect that, like some people see America as crass, but to become defensive and combative when all people on this thread and all the others have been respectful is crass in my view.

You know there is a Danish pure bashing thread because of one poster who does not conform to America's view, he is being single out because of his views, that is crass, his whole country has a thread dedicated to how crap it is.

I am not crass at all R, never have been, never will be, I mentioned Omagh, no threads came together to mourn that loss, possibly in the Irish forums, because they are quiet about it.

We are having people here shouting and procrastinating, elegance and dignity will always shine through and because of three people here, who are being respectful, we are now being called crass and 'our true colours are shining through'

I am afraid to say, that I think you have misread the situation.

Being attacked is a horrible atrocity to happen to anybody, to lose lives over that is a travesty. but for an International Forum of people of all races, creed and beliefs to fall out is what is crass...

And I say that without prejudice.

And that is not to say, that I do not belittle what happened on September 11 2001, what I do have a problem with is when American citizens think that they are the only ones who have suffered.

They are not, we all have.

How it comes out is different, you see that as crass, I see it as respectful and appreciate different views and thoughts.


There is a time and a place to talk about conforming to any government, and there is a tactful time to do it, you have lacked this to my surprise, well it would have been one I would say a couple of days ago. I care not what words you mence over what your views are and how you put them and to whom you put them too, that is your opinion and you are welcomed to it, my point: you did it in the wrong place and wrong time. That is all I have to say to you as all I have seen from you is a hostility that has touched me like a cold reality, I wish you well.
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Sep 12, 2008 9:57 AM CST America
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Romanticman1: If you were really trying to be respectful as you say you are little lady, you and that other gentleman would had abided by number 3 on the forum rules. The thread title was, AMERICA. When you opened it up it clearly states: I LOVE YOU. Here is something for you to ask yourself.

Where in that title and quote of the OP did I feel the "respect" to jump in with my negative different point of views toward how the Americans were showing their praise for their country? Please answer this question to yourself and save yourself from the embarrassment.



Romanticman...

You are absolutely right...

I do not have to answer it to myself, because it is a public forum, so therefore it is an open topic.

And to save embarrassment all round, perhaps the Denmark thread needs to be looked at...


I agreed with a poster who was commenting on America, if you feel that I was not being respectful, then I cannot own that, that is your problem and not mine, I do not expect anybody to state that the Denmark is disrespectful, but it is. Due to one poster.

Again, because it would appear that I am not speaking in plain English, I have been respectful about America, I have brought in what I thought a question about how a poster, who I like, as I do many of the posters, kept emntioning Denmark, initially some humour, because when this opened there was another thread taking the piss out of America, as there are many that take the piss out of other nations, we have one whole thread, bashing one whole country because of one Dude, whoever he is.

So save yourself the embarrassment little man, by understanding this, I am not having a go at the American people, certainly not the ones here, I have an American grandfather, who left, for reasons I have explained earlier, I agreed with a gentleman on his beliefs, because they are similar to mine...

But because they do not conform to 'American's' standards, I am singled out...

But, I stand by this, it is ok for Americans to bash another country as in Denmark and that is to be taken with humour, which I have done, but when the USA and it's citizens on a day that is close to many people's hearts, not just the Americans, are RESPECTFULLY spoken to, it is all hell let loose. Y'all come here to prove the point that you love your country.

We know you do. We have always known it. It is a great thing and I applaud the USA. But guys, you are missing the whole point of my posts.

So, I do not see that I have to explain myself again...

Little man from a little lady...

Oder?
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Sep 12, 2008 10:01 AM CST America
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
irishlass45: There is a time and a place to talk about conforming to any government, and there is a tactful time to do it, you have lacked this to my surprise, well it would have been one I would say a couple of days ago. I care not what words you mence over what your views are and how you put them and to whom you put them too, that is your opinion and you are welcomed to it, my point: you did it in the wrong place and wrong time. That is all I have to say to you as all I have seen from you is a hostility that has touched me like a cold reality, I wish you well.


R.

Well, my friend, I suggest you read the whole thread, rather than the bits that have upset you.

I apologise that I, alone, did not bow down to what was expected.

This was a thread not about 9/11, it was about 'America'

I suggest R, that you learn the art of backing up and qualifying your attacks, rather than surprise...

I wish you nothing other than well.
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