A Catholic King/Queen (59)

Oct 3, 2008 9:43 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Empire and Church alike, they were repelled from these shores as soon as it became clear that 'trading' wasnt their only motive........
Oct 3, 2008 9:49 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Truetrinity
TruetrinityTruetrinityPortsmouth, Hampshire, England UK1 Threads 27 Posts
trish123: Empire and Church alike, they were repelled from these shores as soon as it became clear that 'trading' wasnt their only motive........


They where not repelled the Romans where here for years and year. London is a Roman city "Londinium" "Colchester" "Porcheter" the list is endless. Civic offices, even our law systems are Roman in nature. The Roman church is still here in Britain. No matter what way you look at it did the Romans ever really go?
Oct 3, 2008 10:21 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
No, they never really went because their use of fear eventually subsumed the native beliefs and that fear persisted till reason began to gain ground over faith which was progressed by the cause of education for all which is a relatively recent event - they had superior force at the time and demonstrated this with acts such as the barbaric treatment of Boudicca and many other acts which were designed to subdue rebellion - but they didnt take away the spirit of the people which is evidenced by revivals of various pagan rituals in recent years as well as the taking back of christmas - we have survived the invasion and now its the christian numbers which are dwindling........
Oct 3, 2008 10:59 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Truetrinity
TruetrinityTruetrinityPortsmouth, Hampshire, England UK1 Threads 27 Posts
trish123: No, they never really went because their use of fear eventually subsumed the native beliefs and that fear persisted till reason began to gain ground over faith which was progressed by the cause of education for all which is a relatively recent event - they had superior force at the time and demonstrated this with acts such as the barbaric treatment of Boudicca and many other acts which were designed to subdue rebellion - but they didnt take away the spirit of the people which is evidenced by revivals of various pagan rituals in recent years as well as the taking back of christmas - we have survived the invasion and now its the christian numbers which are dwindling........


Fancy a date then rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 3, 2008 12:10 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
lisalee1960
lisalee1960lisalee1960st pauls, Majjistral Malta9 Threads 222 Posts
most of us know the difference between the meaning of the word catholic and roman catholic,but roman catholics tend to say just catholic,as it is less of a mouthful,we also know about romans and henry v111,but the thread was about catholic king/queen, trinity,you havent given your views on that
Oct 3, 2008 12:18 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
mike1937
mike1937mike1937Broadstairs, Kent, England UK11 Threads 554 Posts
Seabiscuit: Religion is the source of all evil in the world, just bin it off I say..

As for the point of having a king or Queen.. Well, it's what makes Britain, Great Britain. The most popular monarchy in the world. Just think of the amount of money the country would lose through tourism if we abolished it..


Amen to all that
Oct 3, 2008 12:32 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Truetrinity
TruetrinityTruetrinityPortsmouth, Hampshire, England UK1 Threads 27 Posts
lisalee1960: most of us know the difference between the meaning of the word catholic and roman catholic,but roman catholics tend to say just catholic,as it is less of a mouthful,we also know about romans and henry v111,but the thread was about catholic king/queen, trinity,you havent given your views on that


A man can be good or bad whatever his faith. In a modern Britain I see not need for a Monarch yet alone a debate if they are catholic or not.
Oct 3, 2008 2:21 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Well we would sure have lots to talk about thats for certain - there wouldnt be any of those embarassing silences laugh
Oct 4, 2008 3:27 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Truetrinity
TruetrinityTruetrinityPortsmouth, Hampshire, England UK1 Threads 27 Posts
trish123: Well we would sure have lots to talk about thats for certain - there wouldnt be any of those embarassing silences


Luv yer Trish!!wave
Oct 4, 2008 3:55 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Angel_Diva
Angel_DivaAngel_Divawales, South Glamorgan, Wales UK62 Threads 2 Polls 901 Posts
i kinda think we did ourselves a bit of a diservice when the romans pulled out.....makes ya wonder with all they gave us...central heating bathing etc...i wonder where we as a nation would have been today...how far advanced we'd be....took us anoth 3,000 years to get central heating back......


mind u didnt agree with the lion thing but it has to be said we didnt half go backwards again and went back to the old mud hut..........


kinda makes me giggle!!!!!!!
Oct 4, 2008 3:58 AM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Truetrinity
TruetrinityTruetrinityPortsmouth, Hampshire, England UK1 Threads 27 Posts
Nov 4, 2008 5:04 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
stew1
stew1stew1glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK111 Posts
Thank God Scotland will be a free and independent Nation once more and soon! divide and rule is destructive and used for polititcal gain and power we in Scotland have had great experience of it's effect on society. We as a Nation have twigged and are becoming united as one people to move forward to be a better society and a tolerant and free Nation in Europe and the World hug wave
Nov 4, 2008 5:53 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
jojo69
jojo69jojo69Birmingham, but from Liverpool, West Midlands, England UK15 Threads 1 Polls 1,565 Posts
stew1: Thank God Scotland will be a free and independent Nation once more and soon! divide and rule is destructive and used for polititcal gain and power we in Scotland have had great experience of it's effect on society. We as a Nation have twigged and are becoming united as one people to move forward to be a better society and a tolerant and free Nation in Europe and the World



yawn yawn So you have said before........MANY times!!















grin
Nov 4, 2008 6:23 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
stew1
stew1stew1glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK111 Posts
jojo69: So you have said before........MANY times!!

rolling on the floor laughing Well come up here and be free JoJo and be a happy chappie!applause Brommies are welcome herekiss tak kare lasshug
Nov 4, 2008 6:34 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Kevint
KevintKevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK6 Threads 433 Posts
If Scotland was to become independent, it would be interesting how long peace would be there, the religious divide is still there, and the economy would be shaky to say the least, especially if England demanded the return of all investments made such as the banks and of course the oil fields, I cannot think of anything that is solely produced in Scotland that can support the economy, but open to suggestions.

With regards to the religious belief of the royal family, for them to include Catholics, well why not, there is not suggestion however that the royal family should change their faith, and to my recollection the heir to the throne and his sons are not Catholics.

The revenue created by the Royal family far outweighs the loss that would occur if they were to be abolished, and in all fairness the Prince Charles fund has provided a huge amount of money for those young people to start new business's, I accept that some of the hangers on are beyond the pale and should be removed, but if we had a president, there would be just the same hangers on, plus who would you vote as President, we have enough trouble voting for a PM.
Nov 4, 2008 7:15 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
stew1
stew1stew1glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK111 Posts
Kevint: If Scotland was to become independent, it would be interesting how long peace would be there, the religious divide is still there, and the economy would be shaky to say the least, especially if England demanded the return of all investments made such as the banks and of course the oil fields, I cannot think of anything that is solely produced in Scotland that can support the economy, but open to suggestions.

With regards to the religious belief of the royal family, for them to include Catholics, well why not, there is not suggestion however that the royal family should change their faith, and to my recollection the heir to the throne and his sons are not Catholics.

The revenue created by the Royal family far outweighs the loss that would occur if they were to be abolished, and in all fairness the Prince Charles fund has provided a huge amount of money for those young people to start new business's, I accept that some of the hangers on are beyond the pale and should be removed, but if we had a president, there would be just the same hangers on, plus who would you vote as President, we have enough trouble voting for a PM.

You know Kevint you are so thick it's not real Paterson a Scot founded the bank of Merry England, your Royal family as you call them Windsor's are Mountbatten's house of Hanover and are Deutch ( German ) also in the act of Union 1707 Scotland had a surplus of money and England was in defecite for example our GNP in 1998 was
£49 billion paid to your treasury of which we got £14 billion in return for our contribution to your so called UK! to run our country! fair deal I doubt it Keavit! I am not knocking your Royal Family and agree they do your country a lot of good we are all happy for you and long may it continue. But don't come the crap that your English economy is supporting my country that is just ill informed information you have absorbed and it comes across as arrogant which is the basic problem between our two Nations the fiscal fact is England would be a lot worse off without Scotland and they know it! surely you do not think that the oil revenues from Scottish waters is Englands! These attitudes
have bred the desire to be fiscally independent from you country, I mean you no offence but I am stating my opinoin which I have the right to do devil tongue very mad
Nov 4, 2008 8:15 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Kevint
KevintKevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK6 Threads 433 Posts
stew1: You know Kevint you are so thick it's not real Paterson a Scot founded the bank of Merry England, your Royal family as you call them Windsor's are Mountbatten's house of Hanover and are Deutch ( German ) also in the act of Union 1707 Scotland had a surplus of money and England was in defecite for example our GNP in 1998 was
£49 billion paid to your treasury of which we got £14 billion in return for our contribution to your so called UK! to run our country! fair deal I doubt it Keavit! I am not knocking your Royal Family and agree they do your country a lot of good we are all happy for you and long may it continue. But don't come the crap that your English economy is supporting my country that is just ill informed information you have absorbed and it comes across as arrogant which is the basic problem between our two Nations the fiscal fact is England would be a lot worse off without Scotland and they know it! surely you do not think that the oil revenues from Scottish waters is Englands! These attitudes
have bred the desire to be fiscally independent from you country, I mean you no offence but I am stating my opinoin which I have the right to do


Of course you have the right to voice your opinion, no one said any different.

My understanding was that it was money from England that originally financed the north sea oil fields, something that created a vast number of jobs for the Scottish. regarding the banks, I was referring to the bailout of HBOS, if you had been independent, Scotland would have had to borrow from the imf at some huge cost, as it is this cost is being paid for by your and my tax.

The oil fields, I would just point out are outside of Scottish water, and are owned by BP a company based in London.

It has been forecast that the 2007 GNP for Scotland including the revenue from the oil, will be around £70 billion, with the rest of the united kingdom producing some £2000 billion, £70 billion would put Scotland at about 50 in the list of countries just below Egypt, It was also shown that with this amount of money Scotland would not be able to sustain a health service or armed forces without huge impact on the unemployed, a major problem in Scotland especially at this time.
Nov 5, 2008 1:25 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
Seabiscuit
SeabiscuitSeabiscuitPlymouth, Devon, England UK60 Threads 1,644 Posts
stew1: Thank God Scotland will be a free and independent Nation once more and soon! divide and rule is destructive and used for polititcal gain and power we in Scotland have had great experience of it's effect on society. We as a Nation have twigged and are becoming united as one people to move forward to be a better society and a tolerant and free Nation in Europe and the World


I'm sure Rangers and Celtic fans would agree
Nov 5, 2008 5:26 PM CST A Catholic King/Queen
stew1
stew1stew1glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK111 Posts
Kevint: Of course you have the right to voice your opinion, no one said any different.

My understanding was that it was money from England that originally financed the north sea oil fields, something that created a vast number of jobs for the Scottish. regarding the banks, I was referring to the bailout of HBOS, if you had been independent, Scotland would have had to borrow from the imf at some huge cost, as it is this cost is being paid for by your and my tax.

The oil fields, I would just point out are outside of Scottish water, and are owned by BP a company based in London.

It has been forecast that the 2007 GNP for Scotland including the revenue from the oil, will be around £70 billion, with the rest of the united kingdom producing some £2000 billion, £70 billion would put Scotland at about 50 in the list of countries just below Egypt, It was also shown that with this amount of money Scotland would not be able to sustain a health service or armed forces without huge impact on the unemployed, a major problem in Scotland especially at this time.

Hi Kevnt,
Will get back to with the true fiscal report 2008 from the Allander Institute which is recognised and used by he UK goverment, but prior to that can I ask you a pertinent question? why would England want to keep control of a nation that is costing it money! when that nation want's it's fiscal freedom within Europe uh oh let us goapplause and England will be better offrolling on the floor laughing peronally Kevint I would rather be a poor Scot than a rich Brit peace Good debate Kevint let's keep it goingconversing hope to hear from you soon handshake Stew.
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