BnaturAl: thats double speak comng from your subconscious Tater... Have a good look. It actually says (removing the double negatives because as you know double negatives cancel each other out)
"Just because you dont think" ...... makes it true" --- support for your god based on "not thinking"
seriously, "thinking" is very much the issue and your subconscious is aware of it. Its trying to wake you up, if you'll just think as it is instructing you to do. Everyone has their 'knowledge', in this case, some are clearly lacking in knowledge when they form an opinion.
This isn't math Bnat... I may not speak PC. but it does make sense..
ooby_dooby: I have a few very simple questions for those who believe in god.
1, If god is all powerful, if he created the universe out of nothing, why did he need a lump of clay to create Adam?
2, If god created Adam out of a lump of clay, why couldn't he create Eve out of another lump of clay?
Many people take the bible literally.
I'm a Brit. I either got taught or figured that when the Bible was written science wasn't quite what it is today. I believe that books like Genesis tell a story that the people of the day could understand.
I do NOT take the bible literally, word for word.
I do NOT believe that God created the world in seven days - He could have taken seven milliseconds or seven million years if He is all powerful.....it doesn't matter - just a nice simple story to tell people about the awesomeness of some universal creator.
Likewise with the clay business - clay or primordial soup? Eve = evolution........ God obviously wanted a little diversity and made 'woman' so we could evolve and have nice little mutations instead of cloning ourselves all the time which gets a bit boring! Primordial soup was all used up and God didn't want to make fresh soup so He just fished around and grabbed a 'rib' - i.e. bit of DNA and 'tweaked' it a little!
Tater: This isn't math Bnat... I may not speak PC. but it does make sense..
Math is a very good example of the use of linear functions and double negatives.
For the mind to beleive in a god, it has to excersize the left brain functions of paradox logic.
It may exist It may not exist
both are true statements but in possibility only.
but the paradox logical mind accepts the "proving" statement (even though its unproven) that coincides with their desire to believe and hangs its hat on the "may" as being enough support for a truth.
The linear logical mind sees the "may" and immediately chucks "may" out of the statements. It requires real proof, engaging the linear process in search of which one of the statements is true.
Believers tend to be predominantly left brain, paradox information processors for whom "possibility" is the only requirement to accept it as truth.
Of course I have explained this in a linear logic way, so you don't liklely haven't not a clue what I'm not saying...
BnaturAl: Math is a very good example of the use of linear functions and double negatives. For the mind to beleive in a god, it has to excersize the left brain functions of paradox logic.
It may exist It may not exist
both are true statements but in possibility only.
but the paradox logical mind accepts the "proving" statement (even though its unproven) that coincides with their desire to believe and hangs its hat on the "may" as being enough support for a truth.
The linear logical mind sees the "may" and immediately chucks "may" out of the statements. It requires real proof, engaging the linear process in search of which one of the statements is true.
Believers tend to be predominantly left brain, paradox information processors for whom "possibility" is the only requirement to accept it as truth.
Of course I have explained this in a linear logic way, so you don't liklely haven't not a clue what I'm not saying...
Actually I do understand what you are saying, but reread what I wrote by putting a comma in between the two and it makes perfect sense, though it's using three negatives not 2 it does make sense..
Tater: Actually I do understand what you are saying, but reread what I wrote by putting a comma in between the two and it makes perfect sense, though it's using three negatives not 2 it does make sense..
where as your jokes do not(no pun intended)
here's you sentence .. and trust me, punctuation would actually prove my point further as well as including the reference to the subject. Not a coma but a semi colon. Even a period would be more apt. And for clarity, we'll replace "it" with the subject you were referring to which is "creationism".
anyway you said
"but just because you don't think "creationism" may be true, doesn't make "creationism" not true....."
with punctuation and structure sort of fixed
"but just because you don't think "creationism" may be true; that, doesn't make "creationism" not true....."
the word "that" is errantly omitted in your original statement. That refers back to "because you don't think it may be true"
"You don't think it may be true "is merely the setup qualifier, it is the the mind saying, "you don't think '"creationism" may be true and this is why...
that doesn't make it not true "." your proving statement with double negs.
two negatives proving a "may"
now remove the double negs and you get "it may be true, makes it true"
again this is linear logic sorting our your paradox logic. your brain is trying its best to reach you in regard to truth
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I could have improved on your sentence structure more as well.;. but this isnt not really an english lesson
"Creationism is a matter of faith alone which is promoted above reason." At one time in my life I too, of my personal reasoning, could see, touch, feel, lived life according to my desires, and passions, while denying the Truths, of creationism, of God, the Word of God. I, myself, am proof of what so many deny, and of their reasoning, their self-love, deny the tenets of faith required of One God. In a hospital, having been pronounced dead, with the only thing giving me life being machines, my family was asked to identify my severely mangled body. They could not, would not, accept the doctors conclusion that there was nothing they could do, and needed permission to disconnect the equipment keeping my body alive. I live, and walk today, because of their faith in God, and God's Love of his creation. For more then a month I was not in, or of my body, but free as air, in an embrace of Pure Love that we strive all of our lives to feel. There is not one word, or any words in any language on earth that can explain it, nor can I tell anyone how, a permanently disabled man, for twenty plus years in constant pain, has lived independently with minimum assistance. No narcotic drugs for the pain, despite the many offers made by doctors, as the pain I feel every moment of every day is minimized of my faith, and its strength. Knowledge I'm not here of my intentions, but of the Creators intentions, and my ablity to draw on the strengths of Gods Love I witnessed in its most Pure form. The Bible, Gods Word, does explain the Truths of creation, and science, history, has many times over, proven those Truths. To see, or hear it, one must deny what they have learned of the world, and not to chose of limited, self, intentions to back up the truths they believe.
Abram: Thanks Tater, It's kind of an odd situation to be in, and of the same difficulty every other person faces when trying to explain the reality of faith in God, and the Love, its strengths, everyone of us has the ability to draw on. Way to many messengers of the Truth, over time, have let, or tried to, combine the truths of the world, with the Truth of the worlds Creator. I've probably had a beer, or two, with many of them, and I know that, I have donated a good share of my money for their own glory, and not the Glory of God.
That meeting, and exchange, was one of many in my life which has helped assure those, of faith, in God, and I've had many. I'm not a preacher, a teacher of religion, nor do I seek its responsibility, has those who do are tested, and fail, at a far greater rate then I. I'll settle on setting an example, and "Loving God, my brethren, as myself." If I can, or do assist anyone, in any way, it's not of scientific design, or coincidence. It is of a design, not of our time, place, or possessions in the world, but of how we manage them according to its intended purpose. Heck, with the over 300 million citizens in America claiming faith in God, in the Word of God, no wonder we have so many of no faith in God. Were they working of Gods design an example would be set for the disbelievers, has we took back control of the nations social services programs. The programs Americas government proclaims glory in, which the religious seem to gladly give up their, of Gods assignment to his creation.
Casper the friendly ghost
is there no end the insanity of made up characters
Don't worry about armageddon, Surperman and Hellboy will save us all .... you only need to have faith and believe.
is there no end the insanity of made up characters Don't worry about armageddon, Surperman and Hellboy will save us all .... you only need to have faith and believe.
One question for the bib(b)le thumpers,
Do you really think Methusaleh lived 969 years??? GET REAL !!!!
Sometimes you've got to be true to yourself and follow your gut instinct. Matter cannot be destroyed, yet it can be formulated and reshaped. Thus is existence. Matter never "dies", it continues on. The great empirical questions posit what happens to the matter after our understanding of it with our limited five senses cease to exist. It still continues on it goes without saying. Science can't debunk that little trivial fact. Life coupled with an understanding and knowing that after the material universe passes for each of us individually and we are "lights out" in our current paradigm of knowing, the essence and ID of our said entities carry on. That's a certainty and something science can't seem to wrap it's tentacles around.
Do you really think Methusaleh lived 969 years??? GET REAL !!!!
i wish i could site the source j but there is scientific evidence that supports that... the atmosphere was quite different then- something about the ozone being thicker and i hate to say any more as id be only trying to remember
it was in an anthro/arch/sociology class in college
Do you really think Methusaleh lived 969 years??? GET REAL !!!!
though I would catagorically deny the existrence of any of the made up charachters in the Jewish Book of Faery Tales ... there is evidence in the sumarian cuniform, suggesting just that.
IF and I did say if, the cuniforms are correct, whatever "beings" were here, certainly had the ability to travel the planets, it becomes by extension possible that they had stem cell technology in their bag of tricks. Stem Cell Tech is in infancy now but its use can help humans to extend their life. They suggest about 140 yrs with present tech.
xcite2c: Sometimes you've got to be true to yourself and follow your gut instinct. Matter cannot be destroyed, yet it can be formulated and reshaped. Thus is existence. Matter never "dies", it continues on. The great empirical questions posit what happens to the matter after our understanding of it with our limited five senses cease to exist. It still continues on it goes without saying. Science can't debunk that little trivial fact. Life coupled with an understanding and knowing that after the material universe passes for each of us individually and we are "lights out" in our current paradigm of knowing, the essence and ID of our said entities carry on. That's a certainty and something science can't seem to wrap it's tentacles around.
The Donny Osmond/George Michael lookalike has spoken!!!
MikeHD: Why is it that those who are not courageous enough to believe in something, take such pride in believing in nothing at all? It is like those who sit around and put down everyone else's favorite team, but are afraid to pick a team of their own.
You not believing…
proves nothing. (gotta love the double negative)
try independance ya weiny. teams are for games and war. More evidence I am sure you wont ignore.
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Translation:
Evolution = mind crazy X 2, that's empty = head, times the speed the your on squared!
Bnat I worded it correctly, I forgot a comma but they actually don't cancel each other out, but I know what you are saying..