Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we? ( Archived) (69)

But Hugsy...I wasn't talking about rights-theory. I was talking about the reality of one's own beliefs - and arguing that the fact that one "personally" holds a given belief says absolutely nothing about it being true or false.

alright, you brought a mind mixer with you

synonymous means same, not identical. Sameness need not be identical and truely identical would be very difficult to find (in anything .. no two snowflakes )

Belief and faith, in my humble opinion are tandum for the "same" purpose; which, can and or may be to conclude an unfulfilled question or fill a vacancy of proof in the mind.

Anything you have evidence of, would be reality me thinks. That would change "I believe" to "I know" ...yes?

You "know" the earth is spherical, not a belief. Faith that is spherical or not would support a belief in either, assuming the reality (the knowing) is not available to you, you see.

belief and faith are tandum

reality and knowledge are tandum .. sameness, not identical

I would simply call you confused.... That doesn't make any sense to me...JMO

I still say that you're applying apples to oranges. I believe that there is no "objective" truth to religion...only subjective. The only ones who believe that there's an objective truth are the ones who also have to believe that their religion is THE RIGHT ONE...and that doesn't exist. There is no "one truth" or "absolute truth" to religion...but the belief that there is, and that only one is right, has led to many wars.

You're trying to apply "facts" to something that has none...religion is a belief system, not a science.

Yes but obviously they are my reality...based on my own facts and proof.....because what's right for me...spiritually is not right for everyone else....thus no expectation of everyone to hold the same beliefs as I do....My beliefs are a mixture of a few different belief systems and some of my own which aren't contained in any doctrine or belief system...I don't hold these beliefs simply because I think I am going someplace or I will be rewarded somehow at the end of my life.....I don't know or if I am going anyplace but in the ground....I also don't believe that I will be condemned to hell for being a human being and making mistakes....as long as I live the best life possible....be the best person I can be....be true to who I am and don't intentionally harm others....but I also believe a the same time...no matter what you want to call him...that there is a higher being...I don't worship...I thank....I don't believe in an evil or vengeful god or creator I believe in one who loves...I believe people are in that place (evil)....I believe in karma...that what we give...we truly get back 10 fold in return....these things I believe solely for me....they don't exist except to be placed in anyone elses hearts but my own...they are solely for my spiritual growth...inner peace and growth as a person....I believe everything happens for a reason...I belief in lessons not punishment...for none of these things do I not require proof....because I don't have to and I am not looking to prove anything to anybody but myself....because they are simply what works for me...in my life...and for the path that I am on....

Hi a site that I find really good (is completely free and Bible based) is ..... also this link explains in detail the 'Church of Christ' which has Jesus as its base, rather than any man or political power...

Hope this helps...

Whilst I am not really religious myself, in religion's defence, I think you'll find that's HUMAN NATURE..... NOT religion per se??!!

wow, Hugz and kissez, you sure have it right!
I wish more people thought that way, then maybe there would be more peace on earth.