Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we? (69)
Hugz_n_Kissez: It is true...but it's true to me...what do I care if someone else believes what I believe to be true?????The only one my own beliefs effect is me...nobody else.....so therefore...I don't have to be right....I only have to do and believe what's right for me....
Exactly. 
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Ambrose2007: And if you believe you can run through red traffic signals in the middle of rush hour and be unscathed, would that belief be right for you, Hugsy?
Apples and oranges, Ambrose...there are traffic laws for a reason, but religious/spiritual belief is as subjective as beauty or love.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: It is true...but it's true to me...what do I care if someone else believes what I believe to be true?????The only one my own beliefs effect is me...nobody else.....so therefore...I don't have to be right....I only have to do and believe what's right for me....
Incidentally, how do you know *that* belief is right, Hugsy?
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druidess6308: Apples and oranges, Ambrose...there are traffic laws for a reason, but religious/spiritual belief is as subjective as beauty or love.
You mean it's impossible to have religious beliefs that are objectively untrue (in the sense that the traffic light belief is untrue)? For example, if I believed that I run the universe - is that subjective?
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SummerTimeXOXO: I get so frustrated when I tell people I believe in God and Jesus but I don't believe in religion... in fact I am dead against it all together! It kills, lies and uses the word of God to make millions of dollars.... so..... why is it so wrong to say I am just as much a Christian as anyone else? I have spent years looking into and even attending different churches and religions to see if one of them feels right to me and guess what...... I have come to the conclusion that every religion thinks they are...................
"THE RIGHT ONE" "THE REAL ONE" and I'm sorry but if you love God and all your bothers and sisters how can you be so narrow minded? I believe in the bible too but I don't believe in re-writing it so that people today can understand it... leave it as is!!!!! Don't mess with a good thing! I have given up on religion all together but I will not give up on MY FAITH! I just wonder if there are other people out there who feel the same way and if so........ where do we go to be with others who feel the same? Sometimes it's nice to be surrounded by others of the same mentality!
"THE RIGHT ONE" "THE REAL ONE" and I'm sorry but if you love God and all your bothers and sisters how can you be so narrow minded? I believe in the bible too but I don't believe in re-writing it so that people today can understand it... leave it as is!!!!! Don't mess with a good thing! I have given up on religion all together but I will not give up on MY FAITH! I just wonder if there are other people out there who feel the same way and if so........ where do we go to be with others who feel the same? Sometimes it's nice to be surrounded by others of the same mentality!
I understand what you'r saying I have noticed the same thing they are all right and the other wrong so I choose not to choose and to have my relationship with god my way I don't feel you have to congregate or attend a church or have any one religion or else,so keep a good heart and be kind in the end we will all know....
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Ambrose2007: You mean it's impossible to have religious beliefs that are objectively untrue (in the sense that the traffic light belief is untrue)? For example, if I believed that I run the universe - is that subjective?
You are part of the Universe, and your thoughts control what happens in your life because of the messages they send to the Universe, so in a way you do run the Universe.
Yes, I believe it's impossible to have religious beliefs that are objectively untrue. It's what resonates as true within each person...that's subjective.
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Ambrose2007: And if you believe you can run through red traffic signals in the middle of rush hour and be unscathed, would that belief be right for you, Hugsy?
NO because that would be irresponsible and most likely effect a lot more than just me...then people should be concerned with my selfish disregard for human life in that case....that would still be a personal choice to believe that....however it would also be breaking the law....and my beliefs don't harm anyone or break any laws...just the opposite in fact...my beliefs go inward as part of my very existence...not outward to show people that they are right.....
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druidess6308: .
Yes, I believe it's impossible to have religious beliefs that are objectively untrue. It's what resonates as true within each person...that's subjective.
Yes, I believe it's impossible to have religious beliefs that are objectively untrue. It's what resonates as true within each person...that's subjective.
Belief is synonymous with faith, so I'd have to agree, relatively little else is required aside from what your mind or thoughts cling to.
You could believe you were ruler of the universe, but most beliefs; because they generally involve "trust" in thing or person or circumstance, require some reality feedback (even if that reality is unreal ie santa was real when we were young; but rutst in our parents made that universe real)
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: \b?-'lef\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English geleafa, from ge-, associative prefix + leafa; akin to Old English ly¯fan — more at believe
Date: 12th century
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
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Hugz_n_Kissez: NO because that would be irresponsible and most likely effect a lot more than just me...then people should be concerned with my selfish disregard for human life in that case....that would still be a personal choice to believe that....however it would also be breaking the law....and my beliefs don't harm anyone or break any laws...just the opposite in fact...my beliefs go inward as part of my very existence...not outward to show people that they are right.....
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Aries01: I just call myself a Non Denominational Bible based 'Christian' which I know is a bit long winded... .. but like you I have no respect for 'Religious' behaviours... Religious people tend to be 'a la carte' with their faith... and feel the need to engage in overly judgemental over legalistic type practices to compensate... I know a person who is like that.. he knows the Bible inside out, criticises and 'corrects' his fellow churchgoers.... but at the same time displays little compassion on a day to day basis... dunno think Religion (in the conventional sense) is counter-spiritual and has a negative impact on a persons spiritual growth... JMV
Long winded but sounds great! lol. I agree though religion has this snobby attitude and if people don't fit in then they are less in the world. I'm right, your wrong, this is true, this is false and if you don't agree then you don't belong is just stupid and narrow minded. They claim to love all their brothers and sisters but if you don't act like them or pretend anyway lol then your nothing. I grew up in a religious family and I have even had my own blood turn their nose at me because I am not in the religion they are in... they would never come out and say it but their actions show me they think they are better then everyone else. Sad!
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Hey Bobbie...Long time no see...Hope you're doing great....
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BnaturAl: Belief is synonymous with faith, so I'd have to agree, relatively little else is required aside from what your mind or thoughts cling to.
You could believe you were ruler of the universe, but most beliefs; because they generally involve "trust" in thing or person or circumstance, require some reality feedback (even if that reality is unreal ie santa was real when we were young; but rutst in our parents made that universe real)
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: ?-'lef
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English geleafa, from ge-, associative prefix + leafa; akin to Old English ly¯fan — more at believe
Date: 12th century
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
You could believe you were ruler of the universe, but most beliefs; because they generally involve "trust" in thing or person or circumstance, require some reality feedback (even if that reality is unreal ie santa was real when we were young; but rutst in our parents made that universe real)
Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: ?-'lef
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English geleafa, from ge-, associative prefix + leafa; akin to Old English ly¯fan — more at believe
Date: 12th century
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
Yes, and I trust in my beliefs because I have had reality feedback of them. And I'm not alone in them. Al, I know you're an atheist, and thereby you don't believe in God...but that's your right, and it's because it feels right to you, as well as because your reality and feedback have helped you come to that conclusion. That doesn't mean that your reality and mine are the same...or that I need to agree with you. Honestly, atheists like you are just as bad as the Christian Fundies who have to try to convince everyone that their beliefs/non-beliefs are the only ones that are right. There is NO right/wrong...it's what is right for you and what is right for me.
It's kind of like the scene of an accident...10 people see the same accident, yet none of their statements of what happened are exactly the same...that doesn't make any of them wrong, it's their perception of what they saw.
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Well I am Catholic. I don't believe in everything my Church believes in. I do love all people and respect all of their beliefs even though my Church doesn't. I have great faith and do not believe it is my mission to convert all to mine. My heart belongs to God and my soul belongs to the Devil. So I guess I am damned.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Hey Bobbie...Long time no see...Hope you're doing great....
I can honestly say that I am better than I've ever been in my entire life!
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druidess6308: Yes, and I trust in my beliefs because I have had reality feedback of them. And I'm not alone in them. Al, I know you're an atheist, and thereby you don't believe in God...but that's your right, and it's because it feels right to you, as well as because your reality and feedback have helped you come to that conclusion. That doesn't mean that your reality and mine are the same...or that I need to agree with you. Honestly, atheists like you are just as bad as the Christian Fundies who have to try to convince everyone that their beliefs/non-beliefs are the only ones that are right. There is NO right/wrong...it's what is right for you and what is right for me.
It's kind of like the scene of an accident...10 people see the same accident, yet none of their statements of what happened are exactly the same...that doesn't make any of them wrong, it's their perception of what they saw.
It's kind of like the scene of an accident...10 people see the same accident, yet none of their statements of what happened are exactly the same...that doesn't make any of them wrong, it's their perception of what they saw.
I'm not an atheist ...
...so you're wrong and or misinterpreting my words ... my belief is that mayhem and murder for control is intolerable, I dont care what 'belief' one uses to justify it. There is right and wrong in this world.------ This thread is Archived ------
bob1959: I can honestly say that I am better than I've ever been in my entire life!
That's good to hear....
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BnaturAl: Just dealing with the belief, I can't disagree. Taking belief to a level of "supremacy" at the expense of others lives is where I would find a difference of opinon here.
As Jeff noted, it may be fine to believe I can skoot thru a red light at rush hours, but that belief not only jeopardizes my life, but the lives of others.
As Jeff noted, it may be fine to believe I can skoot thru a red light at rush hours, but that belief not only jeopardizes my life, but the lives of others.
Well yes and I see your point...as for myself..I believe we are all equal and equally right to believe as we choose for us...but not to the detriment of others....
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BnaturAl: Just dealing with the belief, I can't disagree. Taking belief to a level of "supremacy" at the expense of others lives is where I would find a difference of opinon here.
As Jeff noted, it may be fine to believe I can skoot thru a red light at rush hours, but that belief not only jeopardizes my life, but the lives of others.
As Jeff noted, it may be fine to believe I can skoot thru a red light at rush hours, but that belief not only jeopardizes my life, but the lives of others.
I also had the same thing in my response...and no it is not my right to place others at risk from my actions...my own life is a different story though...it is my right to make choices that only effect my own life...
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And if you believe you can run through red traffic signals in the middle of rush hour and be unscathed, would that belief be right for you, Hugsy?