Is divine intervention like believing in GOD? ( Archived) (75)

Dec 15, 2008 6:22 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
Definition of "GOD":



First listed definition will do.

the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in ...
deity: any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men"
idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god"

YES?
NO?
MAYBE?
WHY?

Discuss.
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Dec 15, 2008 6:25 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
God is able to divinely intervein even when you do not believe in Him.
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Dec 15, 2008 6:27 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
princess49503
princess49503princess49503grand rapids, Michigan USA18 Threads 1 Polls 1,485 Posts
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Dec 15, 2008 6:30 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
HealthyLiving: God is able to divinely intervein even when you do not believe in Him.
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Thankyou.handshake
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Dec 15, 2008 6:31 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
princess49503

Thats TWICE today that you have made me laugh Sarah,lips
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Dec 15, 2008 7:06 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
"supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people."

The structure of that phrase, and the word, "controlling", seems kind of harsh of Gods Love. I freely accept the Gift God has given me, of no forced control. It's control when Gods Gift is not accepted, as it is seen as a control that limits ones personal ambitions. In actuality, if all were to freely accept Gods Love, those personal ambitions would be magnified by the Love, the Gift of Freedom fulfilling ambition.
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Dec 15, 2008 7:08 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Hey Walt !

Interesting. Yes, it is in a sense.

I've heard stories of protective angels intervening. I am more inclined to believe in that concept than a supposed God intervening....
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Dec 15, 2008 7:26 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
naturalcdn
naturalcdnnaturalcdnTaichung County, Taipei Taiwan1 Threads 135 Posts
Abram: "supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people."

The structure of that phrase, and the word, "controlling", seems kind of harsh of Gods Love. I freely accept the Gift God has given me, of no forced control. It's control when Gods Gift is not accepted, as it is seen as a control that limits ones personal ambitions. In actuality, if all were to freely accept Gods Love, those personal ambitions would be magnified by the Love, the Gift of Freedom fulfilling ambition.


Hmmm....personally, I don't think a persons beliefs are a control factor of ambition. I think a persons level of ambition is determined by inner strength and perseverance.
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Dec 15, 2008 7:47 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
naturalcdn: Hmmm....personally, I don't think a persons beliefs are a control factor of ambition. I think a persons level of ambition is determined by inner strength and perseverance.



applause thumbs up I totally concur....
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Dec 15, 2008 7:57 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Joktan
JoktanJoktanMenomonee Falls, Wisconsin USA4 Threads 188 Posts
GOD
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I'll never forget that..it's from the movie Aliens with Sigourney Weaver

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God is eternal... having neither beginning of days nor end of life

NOW this will blow your mind thinking or dwelling on it...
ONLY faith will cause you to accept it.angel devilinnocent
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Dec 15, 2008 7:58 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
naturalcdn: Hmmm....personally, I don't think a persons beliefs are a control factor of ambition. I think a persons level of ambition is determined by inner strength and perseverance.


Wasn't the context in which I put ambition. It was based on Gods Love, and that is creation. Not a singular ambition of a person in that context. Ones personal ambitions could easily blind them of their singular strength, perseverance, and holding on to the rewards of thos ambitions, drive right by the cripple, ambitiously trying to climb out of the ditch. The one driving by controlled by the notion there's a program somewhere out their to help them, and the cripple controlled by its limitations. Beliefs are controls of personal behavior, hell we've had the liberal left controlling peoples beliefs for years.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:04 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Abram: Wasn't the context in which I put ambition. It was based on Gods Love, and that is creation. Not a singular ambition of a person in that context. Ones personal ambitions could easily blind them of their singular strength, perseverance, and holding on to the rewards of thos ambitions, drive right by the cripple, ambitiously trying to climb out of the ditch. The one driving by controlled by the notion there's a program somewhere out their to help them, and the cripple controlled by its limitations. Beliefs are controls of personal behavior, hell we've had the liberal left controlling peoples beliefs for years.


Abram, can you unpack this for me? Give more examples please to clarify and confirm your opinions. Your opinions are too vague. If you are going to make such strong statements, please present your case better so I can see exactly where you are coming from.

For instance, can you develop that thought better and give real life examples when you said " Ones personal ambitions could easily blind them of their singular strength, perseverance, and holding on to the rewards of thos ambitions, drive right by the cripple, ambitiously trying to climb out of the ditch. The one driving by controlled by the notion there's a program somewhere out their to help them, and the cripple controlled by its limitations."
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Dec 15, 2008 8:21 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
Divine intervention is the same as saying that God works in mysterious ways; and he does so on our behalf when we are unable to do so for ourselves for whatever reasons. I believe that.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:26 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Evanese
EvaneseEvaneseLetha, Idaho USA1 Threads 101 Posts
What I am learning makes a fundamental distinction between the real and the unreal; between knowledge and perception. Knowledge is truth, under one law, the law of love or God. Truth is unalterable, eternal and unambiguous. It can be unrecognized, but it cannot be changed. It applies to everything that God created, and only what He created is real. It is beyond learning because it is beyond time and process. It has no opposite; no beginning and no end. It merely is.

The world of perception, on the other hand, is the world of change, of beginnings and endings. It is based on interpretation, not on facts. It is the world of birth and death, founded on the belief in scarcity, loss, separation and death. It is learned rather than given, selective in its perceptual emphases, unstable in its functioning, and inaccurate in its interpretations.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:27 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Evanese
EvaneseEvaneseLetha, Idaho USA1 Threads 101 Posts
From knowledge and perception respectively, two distinct thought systems arise which are opposite in every respect. In the realm of knowledge no thoughts exist apart from God, because God and His Creation share on Will. The world of perception, however, is made by the belief in opposites and separate wills, in perceptual conflict with each other and with God. What perception sees and hears appears to be real because it permits into awareness only what conforms to the wishes of the perceiver. This leads to a world of illusions, a world which needs constant defense precisely because it is not real.

When you have been caught in the world of perception you are caught in a dream. You cannot escape without help, because everything your senses show merely witnesses to the reality of the dream. God has provided the Answer, the only Way out, the true Helper. It is the function of His Voice, His Holy Spirit, to mediate betwseen the two worlds.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:30 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
friendsfirst: Definition of "GOD":



First listed definition will do.

the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in ...
deity: any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men"
idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god"

YES?
NO?
MAYBE?
WHY?

Discuss.


Yes, I believe in God. The highlighted portion is why I say, God is Divine Energy. No gender...energy has no gender. If one must proscribe one, then both. S/he. God and Goddess. That's what my Sun/Moon tattoo is about...my feeling of God. I revere, but don't "worship", and I belong to no organized religion...they can't hold what I feel of God. And yes, I feel God...everywhere. I see God in everything and everyone. Omnipotent and omnipresent...only God can be that way.


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Dec 15, 2008 8:32 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
Evanese: What I am learning makes a fundamental distinction between the real and the unreal; between knowledge and perception. Knowledge is truth, under one law, the law of love or God. Truth is unalterable, eternal and unambiguous. It can be unrecognized, but it cannot be changed. It applies to everything that God created, and only what He created is real. It is beyond learning because it is beyond time and process. It has no opposite; no beginning and no end. It merely is.

The world of perception, on the other hand, is the world of change, of beginnings and endings. It is based on interpretation, not on facts. It is the world of birth and death, founded on the belief in scarcity, loss, separation and death. It is learned rather than given, selective in its perceptual emphases, unstable in its functioning, and inaccurate in its interpretations.




The beauty of truth is that it is and it remains, and it needs no explanation, it just is. It may be unrecognized but it is felt most times; for me that is gut instinct.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:35 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Divine intervention is alive and well.

Best when you do have Faith and believe in God,

as you are in a position of wanting, and being ready to receive,

all that is being sent your way.

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Dec 15, 2008 8:43 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
venere08: Divine intervention is alive and well.

Best when you do have Faith and believe in God,

as you are in a position of wanting, and being ready to receive,

all that is being sent your way.



From my experience, having faith in yourself works just as well. If you ask yourself what you want, execute the things in order to bring that about, then opportunities will present themselves. I don't believe in God and only have faith in myself as part of the universal consciousness that I am a part of. I've received many times without having this faith in a God, rater in the law of attraction.

That has worked for me. And if having faith and a belief in God works for you, fine.

Just please don't say which was is best. Cause there is a lot of evidence that would prove otherwise.
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Dec 15, 2008 8:49 PM CST Is divine intervention like believing in GOD?
Evanese
EvaneseEvaneseLetha, Idaho USA1 Threads 101 Posts
He (the Holy Spirit) can do this (mediate between two worlds) because, while on the one hand He knows the truth, on the other He also recognizes our illusions, but without believing in them. It is the Holy Spirit's goal to help us escape from the dream whorld by teaching us how to reverse our thinking and unlearn our mistakes. Forgiveness is the Holy Spirit's great learning aid in bringing this thought reversal about.

The world we see merely reflect our own internal frame of reference--the dominant ideas, wishes and emotions in our minds. "Projection makes perception". We look inside first, decide the kind of world we want to see and then project that world outside, making it the truth as we see it. We make it true by our interpretations of what it is we are seeing. If we are using perception to justify our own mistakes--our anger, our impulses to attack, our lack of love in whatever form it may take--we will see a world of evil, destruction, malice, envy and despair. All this we must learn to forgive, not because we are being "good" and "charitable," but because what we are seeing is not true.
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