1st,Tater I loved your post.It is so true of many of us.When things are going well we don't have time for God.Then a tragedy happens and we are praying constantly."If you need help ask God.If you don't thank God". Off a t-shirt I have.
Mark you put it so well but sadly the people you are addressing will pay you no mind.I have trouble at times trying to fathom why people are cruel or hateful.Now I accept what is and keep myself focused on positive things as much as possible. Anyway well put Mark.Hey if Ken goes for older women .
BarrenPneuma: Some people just manage to Love themselves so much that they cannot abide in the idea of sharing themselves with anyone else Ken. Sad but perhaps they have fought long and hard to get where they are and accept themselves for the first time. You my friend have all the makings of a great partner and there are many fine ladies who likely believe they could never give to you what you offer as equals. Once they see their true worth they will know differently and then you are going to be harried for choices. I see your situation as one that is healing many others and in this effort your Karmic repayment will surely be a life of bliss and completion.
hollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
Your making many good points Barren. Why do people do what they do. Ego, playing a game, the same guys who asked me in the very beginning to take them serious as they themselves were they said.
Sometimes it seems that the ones who are adamant about being serious are the ones who do the most harm. Perhaps a little light-heartedness is some sort of cure for this? Not to the point of testing the waters endlessly to search for some sort of perfection but rather a light-heartedness that is shared by two people. The makings of a friendship that could very well last the test of time. I do not believe that any relationship is potential where the friendship has not been laid as a true foundation. Situations arise in life that can draw one's energies away from the close and personal to where communication is strained to a limit that without the depth of passion attainable in person one or the other can feel abandoned. Sometimes these situations are best faced alone due to distances (physical) but they have to be addressed to express and explain the reasoning behind it. None of us is a rock that is immune to the pull of the heart. The whole thing is just confusing when you see the Love blossom between people you may or may not know and then in a heartbeat there is blood and bodies with no motive apparent.
gordy22222: i wish i could write like you barron alas all my skills are to do with machenery operating and repair, you say what i want to very well gordy
My friend I have little choice but to let words fall out of my often empty head in some sort of form, as i too work with machinery all day long. Buried deep in the earth, in the solitude of darkness with few people around and even less who would endure the noise to bother having any sort of communication. Glad you liked what I have written but I am looking for some depth of understanding here to better facilitate a specific response to a friend in great hurts right now from some of what I have mentioned. Wisdom is not something which just grows in my head I have to trowel it up and spread it out to absorb it and in this place I have found many defining resources that are willing a very capable of sharing.
hollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
Yeah the compliment fly! Your so easy to talk too. Your so funny. Wish you where here. You can express yourself so well. Your very intelligent. Wished I had met you x amount of years ago. I can't wait to talk to you some more, you sooo interesting to talk too blah blah blah
Well if I am all that then why did you take off without another word? You know I would never treat people that way, if I were to lose interest I would say so. Why give someone false hope? I just don't get it!
BarrenPneuma: Of course there are incompatibilities and there is no reason anyone should stay with someone to whom they are not in Love,
Of course
BarrenPneuma: but once the path is laid and lives are changed how far down that path is too far to not handle responsibly the obstacles as a couple? As to the not taking chances thing, life will fail in all ways if that becomes the motto, so to that I will never cede any rights.
A digital path, like I said in my 1st reply (and I stick to it, M. ) is NOT suppose to change lives.
No matter how far down that path two people go - they are NOT a couple.
And if they avoid taking it to a real life level but continue playing a 'digital' couple, both are responsible equally.
hollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
BarrenPneuma: My friend I have little choice but to let words fall out of my often empty head in some sort of form, as i too work with machinery all day long. Buried deep in the earth, in the solitude of darkness with few people around and even less who would endure the noise to bother having any sort of communication. Glad you liked what I have written but I am looking for some depth of understanding here to better facilitate a specific response to a friend in great hurts right now from some of what I have mentioned. Wisdom is not something which just grows in my head I have to trowel it up and spread it out to absorb it and in this place I have found many defining resources that are willing a very capable of sharing.
You may also add Barren that you are such an avid reader. One book a day right? It must be speed reading right again?
laura225: Of course A digital path, like I said in my 1st reply (and I stick to it, M. ) is NOT suppose to change lives.
No matter how far down that path two people go - they are NOT a couple.
And if they avoid taking it to a real life level but continue playing a 'digital' couple, both are responsible equally.
And once the tangible reality is engaged? When is it too far along for there not be be hurts? Do people enter into the possibilities only to proceed far enough to warrant some approval or gain then abandon all when the cost becomes apparent? The digital world does provide a playground of sorts for the heartstrings but does anyone weigh the consequences? Obviously some do as they have managed to eke out a life worthy of attainment for others and continue to provide examples of how it could work. But again far and few between. I realize not all have the resources to engage in further than digital fantasies but in this case should they not be upfront about it? Or are they hoping to attract someone to save them from their 'fate'? Everything that occurs in life changes us my friend, whether or not we want this to happen. The paths we take in life are not all physical but the change is quite real nonetheless. I am just wearied in the endless myriad of people who are seeking something permanent in their lives, who find another who claims the same thing and then when the time comes to commit they find some piss poor way of walking away with little or no regard for the hurt they leave behind. Again as in real life dating the inception is not a contract and there are multitudes of open ended clauses that allow either partner to leave to find what they truly want but how far into this arrangement is too far to turn back? When there is nothing ahead but the continuation of the promise they so boldly endorsed in the onset? It is almost as if they have forfeited their reality to play some game that they never wish to see completed. Not that a relationship is completed in any way but there is some point where it becomes more than words in my mind's eye at least.
hollandgirl: You may also add Barren that you are such an avid reader. One book a day right? It must be speed reading right again?
Yes Jenny I also read far too much for my own good. I am not intruth a speed reader though as I never pass through any portion of the writing to skim the meanings. I prefer to absorb each word in its entirety along with its context. I have been graced with a near photographic memory in the case of reading so it has always been a place where I can revel in the environment created by brilliant painters of words.
BarrenPneuma: Sometimes it seems that the ones who are adamant about being serious are the ones who do the most harm. Perhaps a little light-heartedness is some sort of cure for this? Not to the point of testing the waters endlessly to search for some sort of perfection but rather a light-heartedness that is shared by two people. The makings of a friendship that could very well last the test of time. I do not believe that any relationship is potential where the friendship has not been laid as a true foundation. Situations arise in life that can draw one's energies away from the close and personal to where communication is strained to a limit that without the depth of passion attainable in person one or the other can feel abandoned. Sometimes these situations are best faced alone due to distances (physical) but they have to be addressed to express and explain the reasoning behind it. None of us is a rock that is immune to the pull of the heart. The whole thing is just confusing when you see the Love blossom between people you may or may not know and then in a heartbeat there is blood and bodies with no motive apparent.
Maybe the object of intention is simply afraid to move further.
nurcnurc: To seek human interaction. Socialization.
and also some do it just for a game, to rise their own self-esteem by knowing they can get someone to like them....... it's sad but it happens all the time...
nurcnurc: To seek human interaction. Socialization.
But does human interaction or socialization require the strip mining of hearts to gather some sort of gain to provide a memory of where they have been? Human interaction can be attained with some sort of honesty I believe. My profile is one that I will use (and there are many others likewise clear about intention). I am here for the forums and friends only. In no way can anyone here claim otherwise as i am not only clear in my intention but firm in my belief and efforts. I have only had to clarify a few times on these issues and I would like to believe that I am at the least respected by those who know me. I have great interaction here from friends and am always open to making and experiencing more with no expectations or demands of some sort of gratification. Are people so full of themselves (or so empty perhaps) that they cannot be fulfilled without seeming the focus of another's life or possibly all other's lives? In this I am confused by the degrees of hurt. Many hurts are internal and were never real enough to merit the tears but others are devastatingly constructed to gain confidence and then wound as the barbs of intention are ripped free callously. Personal gain? Social sharing of one's own hurt to share the miseries of what has been done to oneself unjustly? I am confused...
Tater: Well the better you live you life, the more heartbreak and discouragement crosses your path.... This happens for a reason... The reason is because GOD wants us to live in this world, but not be a part of this world, for he will give betters treasures in Heaven, then man can aquire here on Earth.. He wants people to not love this world so much, that they do not have time for him....
When do most people search for GOD, when their life is going badly, and if you have everything you want, you will feel that you don't need him, then people tend to worship themselves and their worldly things...
Nice post Barren
I agree with you here my friend. I live in a small town where there is an unbalance in drugs. At times it seems that our city is in truth run by these miscreants. They all have huge houses, new vehicles, all the 'cool' toys and 'perfect' lives. I on the other hand would never trade places with any of them as I can sleep in the comfort of knowing that what I have I have earned without it coming at the cost of the lives of others. Their lives are secularly wonderful but empty of all else. They face no trials or tribulations of those who have any sort of spirtituality as there is no reason for their master to oppose them. He already owns them heart and soul. So why would he seek to wear them down? It is the others who strive to walk in the light that have to face the burgeoning assaults of the world endlessly in attempts to break their spirits and force them to relinquish their faith. The world is always harder on those who strive to walk the good path. It is the interaction between those who walk either side of this line that complicate life and perhaps the most dangerous ones are those who walk with their hand on the fence between both worlds.
Perhaps it is the inflated ego that refuse to accept that someone has walked away from it, that strives to appease its narccistic approach by engendering some false Love to requit itself of its loss? Another notch in the belt even if it is digital to soothe a loss of face?
Intentional false advertising has to do with hidden agendas or low self esteem....either way it's a losing battle and a big, BIG waste of time; and let's face it some losers can only get laid that way because if these unsuspecting women really knew what was up, they'd not give them the time of day, and much less the time of night.
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Mark you put it so well but sadly the people you are addressing will pay you no mind.I have trouble at times trying to fathom why people are cruel or hateful.Now I accept what is and keep myself focused on positive things as much as possible.
Anyway well put Mark.Hey if Ken goes for older women .