My mother died some 32 years ago. On the night she died I was sleeping in her bed, she was in a hospital. My father was staying with my sister. I had a dream, very real, full color. I can still close my eyes and relive the dream. My mother enters her room, wakes me up. As she is packing her bags she tells me she is going on a trip, that she will meet me when I take the same trip. I watch her leave the house, and walk down the street. She turns and waves and says she loves me. I returned to the bed. The phone rang in real life, it was the hospital saying my mother had passed. She still makes me aware she is around today. So, I believe in life before, life now, life later. What are we but spirt creatures in a physical body. When a person dies, his spirt goes out and returns to the creator. Then becomes what the creator wishes. This is just one part of our journey. How we treat others now will determine what we will be later. Does that make sense to you Dusty?
buzzy: My mother died some 32 years ago. On the night she died I was sleeping in her bed, she was in a hospital. My father was staying with my sister. I had a dream, very real, full color. I can still close my eyes and relive the dream. My mother enters her room, wakes me up. As she is packing her bags she tells me she is going on a trip, that she will meet me when I take the same trip. I watch her leave the house, and walk down the street. She turns and waves and says she loves me. I returned to the bed. The phone rang in real life, it was the hospital saying my mother had passed. She still makes me aware she is around today. So, I believe in life before, life now, life later. What are we but spirt creatures in a physical body. When a person dies, his spirt goes out and returns to the creator. Then becomes what the creator wishes. This is just one part of our journey. How we treat others now will determine what we will be later. Does that make sense to you Dusty?
newinsouth: Who would want to come back after leaving the shackles of the human body behind?
I just haven't figured that one out yet, either. From a faraway observation, it looks like you made an excellent choice of picking out your own, this time around.
ocean78382Rockport- Corpus Christi area, Texas USA210 posts
Most people NEED to believe that when they die -they don't just rot, and so religion is really popular - every religion caters to telling people if they are good they will go to Heaven or to Allah or they will come back reincarnated as something nice. Its a sales job - you believe you will live eternally.
Faith is the suspension of logic.
I don't hold any such foolish ideas but I do hope that some of the things I've instilled in my children now 16 and 8 will live on. My kids are special - our chamber of commerce is celebrating my son at tomw's luncheon- my little girl is the best reader in her grade and very loving. When I'm dying I will think of them and hopefully how they and future generations will succeed as great people.
ocean78382: Most people NEED to believe that when they die -they don't just rot, and so religion is really popular - every religion caters to telling people if they are good they will go to Heaven or to Allah or they will come back reincarnated as something nice. Its a sales job - you believe you will live eternally.
Faith is the suspension of logic.
I don't hold any such foolish ideas but I do hope that some of the things I've instilled in my children now 16 and 8 will live on. My kids are special - our chamber of commerce is celebrating my son at tomw's luncheon- my little girl is the best reader in her grade and very loving. When I'm dying I will think of them and hopefully how they and future generations will succeed as great people.
Wherein I don't carry the same ideas as yourself, I respect your right to them. Your children are very very fortunate to have a wonderful dad like you. It seems that they are benefiting greatly with you loving guidance. Be as you are, this good and wonderful person.
Dusty45: A rather fearful question to some, but curious...
I was wondering what goes through the mind of a person who is consciously ready to make the transition, those that are ready to pass on.
Do you think that they are not able to focus anymore? Are they through with manifesting or making things in this life as we know it?
Do some of you believe that there is life beyond this world as we understand it?
Or, do you believe that this is the only life experiece that is available?
My believe is that I or we are life.
The physical universe and all the manifestations of it follows the cycle of born and death, sometimes mistakenly stated as LIFE and death. I once heard it stated that there is nothing permanent in the physical universe, it's forever changing. Even suns are born and then die. The one thing that is constant is life manifesting itself through different phsyical forms.
So if one holds the believe or knows that they are life, then that would eliminate the presents of fear.
The physical universe and all the manifestations of it follows the cycle of born and death, sometimes mistakenly stated as LIFE and death. I once heard it stated that there is nothing permanent in the physical universe, it's forever changing. Even suns are born and then die. The one thing that is constant is life manifesting itself through different phsyical forms.
So if one holds the believe or knows that they are life, then that would eliminate the presents of fear.
That's my take on it.
I find that to be a beautiful idea. In my Mind I see Spirit as synonym for Life. I can't comprehend, really, how we can escape it. When I think of Spirit I see Truth, Knowing, Constancy, Love, Beauty and Joy.
I see the Universe as continuously evolving for the greater good.
Dusty45: I find that to be a beautiful idea. In my Mind I see Spirit as synonym for Life. I can't comprehend, really, how we can escape it. When I think of Spirit I see Truth, Knowing, Constancy, Love, Beauty and Joy.
I see the Universe as continuously evolving for the greater good.
There is great beauty that the Spirit manifests through the universe. We just need to take the time to look and feel it's presents.
Dusty45: Yes, and the strange thing is that no matter how it presents itself we seem to learn, somehow, to become better. (even if we are shown how not to be.)
There is an analogy in "The Buddha in Daily Life" By Richard Causton I find particularly inspiring regarding life and death.
Our lives, and thus our karma, are like a tape cassette. We can stop the machine, and in fact, we will, when the tape reaches the end, to thus rewind for a replay, and maybe, a re-record (if our purpose in life is to change our Karma that is). By stopping it, the sound (life) seems to stop, but it has not ceased to exist. It has become pure potential. It exists as magnetic potential on the tape, and just because it can't be seen doesn't mean every decibel isn't permanently imprinted on the tape.
The way we manifest in life through many incarnations is like a black cat crossing at a cross-walk at night. When it steps on the white stripes, we can see it. When its on the black tarmac, we can't. At all times is the cat there, it is our limited perceptions that convince us it no longer exists.
vonney: This is no reflection on Dustys Mother but my Father had a most peaceful death, he simply stopped breathing, but he was a very cruel and nasty man so I dont believe this theory.
I will still keep on defending my theory.infanticides,pedophyles,murderers of innocent people will face this.Not many people can witness this.
Their souls sometimes are soo nasty that they dont want to leave the house because they refuse to go to hell.
I have some special weed to burn in the house and chase them away this is my part time job.
littleboy: I will still keep on defending my theory.infanticides,pedophyles,murderers of innocent people will face this.Not many people can witness this.
Their souls sometimes are soo nasty that they dont want to leave the house because they refuse to go to hell.
I have some special weed to burn in the house and chase them away this is my part time job.
Sage??? Those of us with American Indian heritage sometimes burn sage in the house for that reason. I think it is all hogwash, as well as the angel thing. But that is just my opinion!
Galactic_bodhi: There is an analogy in "The Buddha in Daily Life" By Richard Causton I find particularly inspiring regarding life and death.
Our lives, and thus our karma, are like a tape cassette. We can stop the machine, and in fact, we will, when the tape reaches the end, to thus rewind for a replay, and maybe, a re-record (if our purpose in life is to change our Karma that is). By stopping it, the sound (life) seems to stop, but it has not ceased to exist. It has become pure potential. It exists as magnetic potential on the tape, and just because it can't be seen doesn't mean every decibel isn't permanently imprinted on the tape.
The way we manifest in life through many incarnations is like a black cat crossing at a cross-walk at night. When it steps on the white stripes, we can see it. When its on the black tarmac, we can't. At all times is the cat there, it is our limited perceptions that convince us it no longer exists.
Tracy, Thank you for adding your thoughtful words here. I wanted to spend a little time with the idea. I reflected on a much more simple memory about how an idea was presented to another and it changed their perception therefore changing things about their life. "Well, I never thought about it that way." Enough of those tiny awarenesses can bring about a shift, .... maybe. The black cat was on the white line for a moment.
Dusty45: A rather fearful question to some, but curious...
I was wondering what goes through the mind of a person who is consciously ready to make the transition, those that are ready to pass on.
Do you think that they are not able to focus anymore? Are they through with manifesting or making things in this life as we know it?
Do some of you believe that there is life beyond this world as we understand it?
Or, do you believe that this is the only life experiece that is available?
I think there is a moment of "letting go" from this plane of existence. People that are sick and dying are aware of it. This is why you often hear of people "waiting" and holding on perhaps to see a loved one before they pass. Even animals have been known to do this and hold on until the right moment.
Immediately following is anyone’s guess but I imagine some kind of metamorphosis might occur much like a butterfly crawls out from a chrysalis, we will shed our earthly form (bodies) and pass on to whatever is next.
pretzelman: Sage??? Those of us with American Indian heritage sometimes burn sage in the house for that reason. I think it is all hogwash, as well as the angel thing. But that is just my opinion!
Dusty45: Tracy, Thank you for adding your thoughtful words here. I wanted to spend a little time with the idea. I reflected on a much more simple memory about how an idea was presented to another and it changed their perception therefore changing things about their life. "Well, I never thought about it that way." Enough of those tiny awarenesses can bring about a shift, .... maybe. The black cat was on the white line for a moment.
That's why its important to avoid a situation wherein we argue with ourselves from ignorance.
That's right. We don't know. We see a binary termination in death, either something continues or nothing continues and we just decay and become worm-food.
But life (and thus death) is never binary. There are three-thousand worlds contained every single life-moment (a concept known as ichinen sanzen in the Tendai school of Buddhism). By that reasoning, there are also three-thousand choices we can make at the moment of death on where to be, who to be, what to be, and why.
Nothing is ever black & white. We simplify life to these standards because we cannot conceive of infinity. There are more options, and thus more explanations, than we will ever be able to verbalize. That is the Buddha's dilemma at the beginning of the Lotus Sutra. How can I expound about something that defies exposition? You cannot. You can only use simile and parable (the modern idea is a scientific model) to explain something that defies explanation.
Do some of you believe that there is life beyond this world as we understand it?
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Yes. Similar worlds, different worlds, different existences, similar existences, same journey, different journey, higher consciousness, lower consciousness...then there are the infinite amount of parallel lives that we are living simultaneously with this one.
Supposedly people ready to go see a "light" or a "door" which gives them comfort in that they know they will live on when their bodies die...they feel and sense the transition that is imminent.
Our souls never die...never
Energy cannot die. We are energy underneath our earthly bodies.
"We are not humans beings on a spiritual journey, but spiritual beings on an earthly journey." - forgot who said that.
StressFree: Yes. Similar worlds, different worlds, different existences, similar existences, same journey, different journey, higher consciousness, lower consciousness...then there are the infinite amount of parallel lives that we are living simultaneously with this one.
Supposedly people ready to go see a "light" or a "door" which gives them comfort in that they know they will live on when their bodies die...they feel and sense the transition that is imminent.
Our souls never die...never
Energy cannot die. We are energy underneath our earthly bodies.
"We are not humans beings on a spiritual journey, but spiritual beings on an earthly journey." - forgot who said that.
This is very easy for me to agree with. I like your contribution. Thanks.
I've had so many coincidences, synchronicities happen to me to convince me of parallel lives existing.
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