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Feb 26, 2009 3:32 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
I have been thinking about this a lot lately and would appreciate your views on this.............

I understand the concept of Karma and am not sure I believe.

I also know that some people believe it has its roots in Religion, and I hope this doesn't turn into a Religion bashing Thread, as I do believe each to their own beliefs........

But some things about peoples attitudes to it confuse me at times.........

Do people think that any perceived badness in previous lives effect your current life ?

Why do people who don't believe in Religion have blind faith in Karma...........because I do believe one has to have Faith as I have not seen evidence to support it.......Maybe I'm wrong....... dunno

'What goes around comes around'........Does it in one life ?

Are the cliches related to Karma just something we say to people to make them feel better ?

dunno
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Feb 26, 2009 5:09 AM CST Karma........
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
I am the owner of my Karma,

I inherit my Karma,

I am born of my Karma,

I am related to my Karma,

I live supported by my Karma I create, whether good or evil,

that I shall inherit.

Buddha....

Why believe in Karma?

Karma represents ultimate justice and avoiding negative actions

results in a better world for us to live.

What comes around goes around and treat others as we wish to be

treated...

It is better to love and show kindness than hate and aggression...

Karma is linked to physics......direct casual relationship

between action and reaction....
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Feb 26, 2009 5:34 AM CST Karma........
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
vinny1967: I have been thinking about this a lot lately and would appreciate your views on this.............

I understand the concept of Karma and am not sure I believe.

I also know that some people believe it has its roots in Religion, and I hope this doesn't turn into a Religion bashing Thread, as I do believe each to their own beliefs........

But some things about peoples attitudes to it confuse me at times.........

Do people think that any perceived badness in previous lives effect your current life ?

Why do people who don't believe in Religion have blind faith in Karma...........because I do believe one has to have Faith as I have not seen evidence to support it.......Maybe I'm wrong.......

'What goes around comes around'........Does it in one life ?

Are the cliches related to Karma just something we say to people to make them feel better ?


I have to think twice about karma when I see some total barstewards living the life of Riley.....

I do think we live and learn though and have a hunch that this may continue over several life spans - but Its just a hunch as none of us truly know what happens after death.

I just see the whole issue as a Buddhist version of Pascales Wager and believe that those people who actually take time to consider the effects of their behaviours on others are halfway there anyway..... grin

Good Morning wave
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Feb 26, 2009 5:42 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Tamarin: I am the owner of my Karma,

I inherit my Karma,

I am born of my Karma,

I am related to my Karma,

I live supported by my Karma I create, whether good or evil,

that I shall inherit.

Buddha....

Why believe in Karma?

Karma represents ultimate justice and avoiding negative actions

results in a better world for us to live.

What comes around goes around and treat others as we wish to be

treated...

It is better to love and show kindness than hate and aggression...

Karma is linked to physics......direct casual relationship

between action and reaction
....


I wonder what some physicists would have to say to that...laugh

Morning..........wave

teddybear
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Feb 26, 2009 5:48 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
trish123: I have to think twice about karma when I see some total barstewards living the life of Riley.....

I do think we live and learn though and have a hunch that this may continue over several life spans - but Its just a hunch as none of us truly know what happens after death.

I just see the whole issue as a Buddhist version of Pascales Wager and believe that those people who actually take time to consider the effects of their behaviours on others are halfway there anyway.....

Good Morning


Thats my point Trish.............and it makes so much more sense
that it is spread over several lifetimes as I see so much greed and hatred in society.......

Also when I see bad things happening to good people.......all the time........dunno

I personally have used all the cliches down the years without actually thinking about it......(I'm ashamed to admit laugh ) and its hard for me to see the evidence in one lifetime so what your sayin makes more sense........

wave

Have you your clothes picked out for tomorrow nite yet.....tongue
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Feb 26, 2009 6:05 AM CST Karma........
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
vinny1967: Thats my point Trish.............and it makes so much more sense
that it is spread over several lifetimes as I see so much greed and hatred in society.......

Also when I see bad things happening to good people.......all the time........

I personally have used all the cliches down the years without actually thinking about it......(I'm ashamed to admit ) and its hard for me to see the evidence in one lifetime so what your sayin makes more sense........



Have you your clothes picked out for tomorrow nite yet.....


I just think that we have to do the most we can to be the best we can Vinny, and more than that is a part of the ongoing process of learning dunno

as for tomorrow laugh Im going to be having a frantic hunt through clothes n stuff any time now grin
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Feb 26, 2009 6:13 AM CST Karma........
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
vinny1967: I have been thinking about this a lot lately and would appreciate your views on this.............

I understand the concept of Karma and am not sure I believe.

I also know that some people believe it has its roots in Religion, and I hope this doesn't turn into a Religion bashing Thread, as I do believe each to their own beliefs........

But some things about peoples attitudes to it confuse me at times.........

Do people think that any perceived badness in previous lives effect your current life ?

Why do people who don't believe in Religion have blind faith in Karma...........because I do believe one has to have Faith as I have not seen evidence to support it.......Maybe I'm wrong.......

'What goes around comes around'........Does it in one life ?

Are the cliches related to Karma just something we say to people to make them feel better ?


If thats true, I must have been Vlad the Impaler in a
previous life going off my luck this year!!!




laugh
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Feb 26, 2009 6:15 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
trish123: I just think that we have to do the most we can to be the best we can Vinny, and more than that is a part of the ongoing process of learning

as for tomorrow Im going to be having a frantic hunt through clothes n stuff any time now


I agree Trish............I don't see that as necessarily being Karma tho..........That can just apply to who we are as a person......

teddybear
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Feb 26, 2009 6:17 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
bodleing: If thats true, I must have been Vlad the Impaler in a
previous life going off my luck this year!!!


wave Hi G............Yeah your not havin the best of luck at the mo.......laugh

Well if Karma applies I would suggest you hobble to the local newsagent and buy a lottery ticket..........

Are you out of the plaster yet ?

cheers
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Feb 26, 2009 6:31 AM CST Karma........
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
vinny1967: Hi G............Yeah your not havin the best of luck at the mo.......

Well if Karma applies I would suggest you hobble to the local newsagent and buy a lottery ticket..........

Are you out of the plaster yet ?


Might just do that Vinnylaugh

Did you here about that guy a few weeks ago.
His numbers came up on the lottery, I think
it was a few million. After checking and
re-checking, joyous celebrations followed.
It turned out the newsagent had give him
a ticket for the Wednesday draw instead of
the Saturday draw.doh
Now that is what you call bad luck.

Another five weeks in plaster Vinney.sigh



wave
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Feb 26, 2009 6:36 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
bodleing: Might just do that Vinny

Did you here about that guy a few weeks ago.
His numbers came up on the lottery, I think
it was a few million. After checking and
re-checking, joyous celebrations followed.
It turned out the newsagent had give him
a ticket for the Wednesday draw instead of
the Saturday draw.
Now that is what you call bad luck.

Another five weeks in plaster Vinney.


sigh I'd kill the newsagent and pay for it in another life I hope.........laugh

Five weeks.......doh

You will have your own path beatin in the dales when you eventually get it removed i'd say.......laugh

cheers
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Feb 26, 2009 6:45 AM CST Karma........
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
Fate is in our hands ---- A Parable

In a time long past, there was an old monk who, through diligent practice, had attained a certain degree of spiritual penetration.

He had a young novice who was about eight years old. One day the monk looked at the boy's face and saw there that he would die within the next few months. Saddened by this he told the boy to take a long holiday and go and visit his parents. 'Take your time, don't hurry back, as he felt the boy should be with his family when he died.

Three months later to the monks astonishment he saw the boy walking up the mountain. When he arrived he looked intently at the boy's face and saw now that he would live to a rip old age.

Tell me everything you saw and did on your travels said the monk.
So the boy started to tell of his journey down the mountain. He told of villages and towns he had passed through, of rivers forded and mountains climbed.

One day he came upon a stream in flood...as he was trying to cross he saw a colony of ants had become trapped on a small island formed by the flooding stream. Moved by compassion he got a branch and held it to the island and then reached for the bank. The boy held the branch steadily until every ant was across safely.

'So' thought the old monk to himself, 'that is why the Gods have lengthened his days.'
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Feb 26, 2009 6:50 AM CST Karma........
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
vinny1967: I have been thinking about this a lot lately and would appreciate your views on this.............

I understand the concept of Karma and am not sure I believe.

I also know that some people believe it has its roots in Religion, and I hope this doesn't turn into a Religion bashing Thread, as I do believe each to their own beliefs........

But some things about peoples attitudes to it confuse me at times.........

Do people think that any perceived badness in previous lives effect your current life ?

Why do people who don't believe in Religion have blind faith in Karma...........because I do believe one has to have Faith as I have not seen evidence to support it.......Maybe I'm wrong.......

'What goes around comes around'........Does it in one life ?

Are the cliches related to Karma just something we say to people to make them feel better ?


I do believe in karma, yes.

I am not going to pretend that I know alot about the technical definitions of it, because I dont, but I do definately believe in trying to do good deeds and being kind to other people, and being true to yourself and your conscience.

I have done a certain amount of reading about buddhism and taoism, and although I am not particularly religious, I do try to follow the concepts laid out in these belief systems. It can be extremely testing sometimes, and sometimes I "fall off the path", but as soon as I can, I climb back on.

"What goes around, comes around?" - well, I sincerely hope so.

Nice thread, Vinnythumbs up
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Feb 26, 2009 6:51 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Tamarin: Fate is in our hands ---- A Parable

In a time long past, there was an old monk who, through diligent practice, had attained a certain degree of spiritual penetration.

He had a young novice who was about eight years old. One day the monk looked at the boy's face and saw there that he would die within the next few months. Saddened by this he told the boy to take a long holiday and go and visit his parents. 'Take your time, don't hurry back, as he felt the boy should be with his family when he died.

Three months later to the monks astonishment he saw the boy walking up the mountain. When he arrived he looked intently at the boy's face and saw now that he would live to a rip old age.

Tell me everything you saw and did on your travels said the monk.
So the boy started to tell of his journey down the mountain. He told of villages and towns he had passed through, of rivers forded and mountains climbed.

One day he came upon a stream in flood...as he was trying to cross he saw a colony of ants had become trapped on a small island formed by the flooding stream. Moved by compassion he got a branch and held it to the island and then reached for the bank. The boy held the branch steadily until every ant was across safely.

'So' thought the old monk to himself, 'that is why the Gods have lengthened his days.'


confused

So if I go out and do something nice, something will happen to me......dunno

Does anyone just think that good things happen, bad things happen.....They can happen to good or bad people.........and we just use these cliches to help explain and reassure people......dunno
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Feb 26, 2009 6:53 AM CST Karma........
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
vinny1967: So if I go out and do something nice, something will happen to me......

Does anyone just think that good things happen, bad things happen.....They can happen to good or bad people.........and we just use these cliches to help explain and reassure people......


buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma
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Feb 26, 2009 6:55 AM CST Karma........
pubwrite08
pubwrite08pubwrite08Columbus, Georgia USA14 Threads 2,451 Posts
Good morning, Vinny.
I believe that what goes around does come around. I always have. Even when someone is nasty to me, or purposely mistreats me. I "try" really hard not to let it make me angry to the point where I lash out at them.

I know that when I try and get even it always back fires, and something big goes wrong in my life.

I believe in God, and I just ask him to handle it for me. And walk away as fast as I can. Because I do have a nasty temper.
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Feb 26, 2009 7:00 AM CST Karma........
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
pubwrite08: Good morning, Vinny.
I believe that what goes around does come around. I always have. Even when someone is nasty to me, or purposely mistreats me. I "try" really hard not to let it make me angry to the point where I lash out at them.

I know that when I try and get even it always back fires, and something big goes wrong in my life.

I believe in God, and I just ask him to handle it for me. And walk away as fast as I can. Because I do have a nasty temper.


Hi Wendy.........wave

Good to see you and hope Chuck is doing well.........

It makes a lot more sense to me that someone who believes in Karma is also Religous and I can really respect that. It ties in with what we are taught as children and helps us handle ourselves in times of stress..........

And I think whoever gets a round house slap off you would really deserve it.........laugh



wine
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Feb 26, 2009 11:14 AM CST Karma........
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
Two quotes....

The scars you acquire by exercising courage will never make you feel inferior....

Wink at small faults remember thou hast great ones....
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Feb 26, 2009 11:27 AM CST Karma........
Reap what you sow.
You get what you give.
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Feb 26, 2009 2:20 PM CST Karma........
pretzelman
pretzelmanpretzelmanLas Vegas, Nevada USA43 Threads 1 Polls 2,956 Posts
I don't believe in "karma". My father never received what he deserved for what he did to me. It's nice to think that "Karma" works...truth is, people get away with unspeakable crimes while the victims sufferthumbs down
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