Smacking children (53)

Jun 1, 2015 6:10 AM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
Should it be criminalised
Jun 1, 2015 7:25 AM CST Smacking children
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
very difficult debate but in saying that, i was lightly smacked as a child and it probably done little or no harm. but maybe more modern methods of punishment are better. anybody got any alternative methods?
Jun 1, 2015 7:34 AM CST Smacking children
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
jt972: Should it be criminalised



I think smacking children already is illegal, actually.

Teachers were prohibited from smacking kids years ago, and as far as I know, it is illegal to wander down to the local playground and smack a few randomly selected toddlers around the place, just for the hell of it. laugh

Or are you referring to parents using physical force to discipline their own children? wave
Jun 1, 2015 12:23 PM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
stanley8m: I think smacking children already is illegal, actually.

Teachers were prohibited from smacking kids years ago, and as far as I know, it is illegal to wander down to the local playground and smack a few randomly selected toddlers around the place, just for the hell of it.

Or are you referring to parents using physical force to discipline their own children?


I'm talking about parents, teachers, anyone
I thought a law had been brought in banning
It aswell but there was talk during the week
About banning but it mustn't have gone through
Yet

Anyway I'm against hitting kids full stop, it's
Bullying and it's a child's first introduction
To violence, we wouldn't get away with hitting
An adult that crosses swords with us so why
Do it to a small child
Jun 1, 2015 12:50 PM CST Smacking children
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
jt972: I'm talking about parents, teachers, anyone
I thought a law had been brought in banning
It aswell but there was talk during the week
About banning but it mustn't have gone through
Yet

Anyway I'm against hitting kids full stop, it's
Bullying and it's a child's first introduction
To violence, we wouldn't get away with hitting
An adult that crosses swords with us so why
Do it to a small child


have you any proposals to deal with child punishment?

sorry to hear about your mates drug overdoses. thats rough but i think drug problems are extremely complicated issues created from a whole pile of complicated intertwining issues. im sure their punishment was just one of these inputs.
Jun 1, 2015 12:59 PM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
thelad2007: have you any proposals to deal with child punishment?

sorry to hear about your mates drug overdoses. thats rough but i think drug problems are extremely complicated issues created from a whole pile of complicated intertwining issues. im sure their punishment was just one of these inputs.


Wasn't blaming any beatings they got on their
Demise, they were very bright, very sporty
But hyper and full of mischief, think hyperactivitys
A part of it, beatings served no purpose for
Them, made them worse

I've no kids but I've trained loads of dogs
And I'd never hit one I've 2 of my own and
They wouldn't harm a fly, think the non
Agressive approach would have the same
Effect with kids, at times talk and listen to
Them on an adult level, groundings worked
For me as a kid, drove me demented
Jun 1, 2015 1:03 PM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
mjpd67: i wouldnt batter a kid myself but a good swift kick in the hole can be better than any therapist or a good while in the bog turning or footing turf ,the biggest problem with kids nowadays is boredom


I think you got a bang of a lump of turf!
Maybe it's like on a football pitch some
Kids respond to the arm around them, the
Gentle approach others respond to aggression
A bollicking, brings out the best in them
Jun 1, 2015 1:04 PM CST Smacking children
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
I used to get slapped occasionally when I was young. I didn't like it, but it didn't traumatise me in anyway. I always deserved it. And knew it.

School was a different matter. You'd get slapped there often, even if you didn't deserve it. I'm glad that was outlawed.

What used to work better on me though, was being deprived of something as a result of my actions. Not getting a treat, pocket money, or going somewhere I wanted to go to.

That taught me that actions had consequences. This is what kids need to learn above all.
Jun 1, 2015 1:07 PM CST Smacking children
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
jt972: I think you got a bang of a lump of turf!
Maybe it's like on a football pitch some
Kids respond to the arm around them, the
Gentle approach others respond to aggression
A bollicking, brings out the best in them
not all kids are the same i agree but then again not all kids are little terrorists laugh
Jun 1, 2015 1:10 PM CST Smacking children
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
mollybaby: I used to get slapped occasionally when I was young. I didn't like it, but it didn't traumatise me in anyway. I always deserved it. And knew it.

School was a different matter. You'd get slapped there often, even if you didn't deserve it. I'm glad that was outlawed.

What used to work better on me though, was being deprived of something as a result of my actions. Not getting a treat, pocket money, or going somewhere I wanted to go to.

That taught me that actions had consequences. This is what kids need to learn above all.
jayus some of the teachers were muck savages back then ireland
Jun 1, 2015 1:11 PM CST Smacking children
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
jt972: Wasn't blaming any beatings they got on their
Demise, they were very bright, very sporty
But hyper and full of mischief, think hyperactivitys
A part of it, beatings served no purpose for
Them, made them worse

I've no kids but I've trained loads of dogs
And I'd never hit one I've 2 of my own and
They wouldn't harm a fly, think the non
Agressive approach would have the same
Effect with kids, at times talk and listen to
Them on an adult level, groundings worked
For me as a kid, drove me demented


thats very good advice actually. might 'hit' you up some time about dogs. we got a pup last year. just having some issues with her but we ll chat another time about it.

drug addiction is a dreadful thing. it occurs in most families. very complicated and difficult thing to deal with. after spending the day as normal listening to ted talks, im with the legalise the whole lot camp, but this is also a matter for another thread
Jun 1, 2015 1:20 PM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
thelad2007: thats very good advice actually. might 'hit' you up some time about dogs. we got a pup last year. just having some issues with her but we ll chat another time about it.

drug addiction is a dreadful thing. it occurs in most families. very complicated and difficult thing to deal with. after spending the day as normal listening to ted talks, im with the legalise the whole lot camp, but this is also a matter for another thread


It is, might save a fortune legalising it, loads of
Patience with the dog and loads of attention
And training in the early days
Jun 1, 2015 1:24 PM CST Smacking children
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
jt972: It is, might save a fortune legalising it, loads of
Patience with the dog and loads of attention
And training in the early days


spot on, amongest other things. thank you
Jun 1, 2015 1:32 PM CST Smacking children
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
thelad2007: fair point. nothing wrong with the odd pint
speaking of pints must head to shop for a pint of milk for tae later beer
Jun 1, 2015 3:26 PM CST Smacking children
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
jt972: Should it be criminalised


Nope....
Jun 2, 2015 3:33 AM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
Phoenix: Nope....


Why not stoney joe?
Jun 2, 2015 4:56 AM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
Phoenix: Nope....


You're all for equal rights yeah, what
About a child having the same rights as
An adult not to be assaulted? Is it ok
To assault them because they're small
And less likely to hit back... Bullying
Jun 2, 2015 5:59 AM CST Smacking children
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
jt972: You're all for equal rights yeah, what
About a child having the same rights as
An adult not to be assaulted? Is it ok
To assault them because they're small
And less likely to hit back... Bullying



You are assuming an incredibly dichotomous approach to this issue, whereby your vocabulary in the above statement, is overly dramatic, consisting of polar extremes, which over simplifies the entire subject in to a black and white, yes or no question.

The terms "assault" and "bullying" in combination with emphasising the child's diminutive physical stature, fails to encompass the numerous variables that could be encountered.

For example, reinforcing a verbal command by lightly smacking a younger child on the behind, would be acceptable, whereas, use of unreasonable physical force in this situation would not.

Furthermore, on the subject of variables, you have to consider the age, gender, vulnerability and physicality of the child, and the parent.

An adolescent male or female child could be stronger, than a small male or female parent, and in this situation, using physical force to restrain the child, to prevent them getting involved in a possibly harmful encounter, could be beneficial and best practise.

To have any merit, the debate must take into consideration, the numerous contexts and variables. It is not a yes or no question. thumbs up
Jun 2, 2015 6:29 AM CST Smacking children
annaroach
annaroachannaroachLimerick, Ireland217 Threads 6,747 Posts
stanley8m: You are assuming an incredibly dichotomous approach to this issue, whereby your vocabulary in the above statement, is overly dramatic, consisting of polar extremes, which over simplifies the entire subject in to a black and white, yes or no question.

The terms "assault" and "bullying" in combination with emphasising the child's diminutive physical stature, fails to encompass the numerous variables that could be encountered.

For example, reinforcing a verbal command by lightly smacking a younger child on the behind, would be acceptable, whereas, use of unreasonable physical force in this situation would not.

Furthermore, on the subject of variables, you have to consider the age, gender, vulnerability and physicality of the child, and the parent.

An adolescent male or female child could be stronger, than a small male or female parent, and in this situation, using physical force to restrain the child, to prevent them getting involved in a possibly harmful encounter, could be beneficial and best practise.

To have any merit, the debate must take into consideration, the numerous contexts and variables. It is not a yes or no question.





Very well said, if that doesn't clarify things, nothing will.
Jun 2, 2015 11:41 AM CST Smacking children
jt972
jt972jt972dublin, Dublin Ireland7 Threads 1,200 Posts
stanley8m: Oh, and do you really think it is acceptable behaviour to hit someone for looking at your wife/girlfriend?


Anyway the snooker ball comment was a bit
Out of order as was your sun readers buddies
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Time to leave the snide remarks aside people
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