The Budget (34)

Oct 13, 2015 1:21 PM CST The Budget
GalwayGuy35
GalwayGuy35GalwayGuy35galway, Galway Ireland25 Threads 1,537 Posts
Reaction seems to positive overall.

Most people will have a few extra quid in their pocket.
Oct 13, 2015 1:23 PM CST The Budget
Nothing more than buying votes, stupid to increase Public spending when there is still a large budget deficit. It means more borrowed money and governments shouldn't be borrowing money when It means the debt is passed onto future generations.
Oct 13, 2015 1:52 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
kennyfromdublin: Nothing more than buying votes, stupid to increase Public spending when there is still a large budget deficit. It means more borrowed money and governments shouldn't be borrowing money when It means the debt is passed onto future generations.


governments shouldnt borrow money full stop. they should be printing it themselves
Oct 13, 2015 2:00 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007: governments shouldnt borrow money full stop. they should be printing it themselves


Which leads to increased inflation that hurts the poorest the most.

Anyway as we're in the Eurozone the Irish Central Bank has lost the ability to print money.
Oct 13, 2015 2:06 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
kennyfromdublin: Which leads to increased inflation that hurts the poorest the most.

Anyway as we're in the Eurozone the Irish Central Bank has lost the ability to print money.


economist ellen brown sees it very differently and i think shes right. by allowing private banks to control our money supply we re forever caught in this debt trap. after checking out ellen browns work out over the last few months, i have also come to the conclusion, our banking and money system is a scam and is probably causing the vast majority of our problems in relation to these issues.

the irish central bank or indeed the irish government could set up a public banking system. this could solve a lot of our problems but it ll probably never happen.
Oct 13, 2015 5:33 PM CST The Budget
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
thelad2007: the irish central bank or indeed the irish government could set up a public banking system. this could solve a lot of our problems but it ll probably never happen.


I would agree with that if the government itself had no control whatsoever over the bank, otherwise all the cronies would be directors and we would probably be even worse off than we are now.

As for the budget, what ever they give us in the big print, you can be damn sure they will take back in the small print, we all know that this budget is about buying votes, but sorry Edna and I-phone the Moan Joan, my vote does come that cheap.
Oct 13, 2015 6:05 PM CST The Budget
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
I think we should start all over again, and go back to the bartering system.

I'll swap a half a lasagne for a return flight to Spain.


laugh
Oct 14, 2015 12:53 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
snowlynx: I think it's a good government.


a fairly common opinion which is very worrying
Oct 14, 2015 5:44 PM CST The Budget
fifitrixibelle
fifitrixibellefifitrixibellegalway, Galway Ireland20 Threads 1 Polls 4,629 Posts
SSDD grin
Oct 15, 2015 1:46 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
kennyfromdublin: What credible workable alternative do you propose as an alternative to FG/Labour, I assume you include FF in your list of parties you wouldn't vote for.


im actually in limbo land now regarding who to vote for. im starting to realise the private banking system is now dictating almost all aspects of our societies globally. its looking like it dont matter who you vote in as none of them have the abilities or real power to do whats right for the people. after watching the dreadful way greece has been treated and indeed ourselves, i have very little faith in our 'democratic' system. to put it another way, i think democracy is in real trouble. we have to break free of this banking cartel or we ll self destruct.
Oct 15, 2015 2:27 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007: im actually in limbo land now regarding who to vote for. im starting to realise the private banking system is now dictating almost all aspects of our societies globally. its looking like it dont matter who you vote in as none of them have the abilities or real power to do whats right for the people. after watching the dreadful way greece has been treated and indeed ourselves, i have very little faith in our 'democratic' system. to put it another way, i think democracy is in real trouble. we have to break free of this banking cartel or we ll self destruct.


Its what I've been saying for years..It doesn't matter who you vote for nothing will change ireland
Oct 16, 2015 11:36 AM CST The Budget
Jaymack
JaymackJaymackMonaghan, Ireland37 Threads 800 Posts
kennyfromdublin: How have the Greeks got on with their hard left government since January?

They completely capitulated to the Germans and last week they implemented another austerity.

The Shinners and the Anti Austerity Alliance have gone very quiet on Syriza since June after they had to introduce capital controls as a result of extreme incompetence.


Thought you would be more concerned what is going on in Israel.

Firstly the Greeks got concessions more than this cowardly Irish Goverment got.

Finally prepare for changes,there coming.
Oct 16, 2015 12:10 PM CST The Budget
Jaymack: Thought you would be more concerned what is going on in Israel.

Firstly the Greeks got concessions more than this cowardly Irish Goverment got.

Finally prepare for changes,there coming.


'cowardly' or clever?
Which country is doing better now?
Oct 16, 2015 2:54 PM CST The Budget
Jaymack
JaymackJaymackMonaghan, Ireland37 Threads 800 Posts
snowlynx: 'cowardly' or clever?
Which country is doing better now?


You think Ireland is doing good do you ? not in my circles and many other's.

People living on the Streets and being forced out of there homes by Banks,you think that's good do you ?

Ireland is no better since F/G and Labour took over from F/F and continued there policys despite promising not to.

You vote for F/G but don't peddle your Conservative views thinking you'll get a clear run here.

At least the Sun shines in Greece.

Don't see many F/G on the door steps these days,wonder why .
Oct 16, 2015 3:03 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
snowlynx: 'cowardly' or clever?
Which country is doing better now?


ireland certainly wasnt that clever. we havent actually solved the problem that caused the recession in the first place. the next banking crisis is only around the corner and people better be ready for the impending bank bail ins! we ve only kicked cans down the road. we re all aware of the major issues in our healthcare system and other parts of our public services. austerity is indeed a con, imposed by our parasitic banking system. it simply doesnt work. keep a very close eye on the interest rates as as soon as its raised, we will truly see the extent of our housing problem. you have ignore the short term gains of decisions we made and look at the long game. we have to start dealing with this dreadful banking system thats slowly destroying the planet
Oct 22, 2015 8:58 AM CST The Budget
Jaymack: Thought you would be more concerned what is going on in Israel.

Firstly the Greeks got concessions more than this cowardly Irish Goverment got.

Finally prepare for changes,there coming.


What concessions has the Syriza government got since January 2015? Are you aware that Government debt as a percentage of GDP is over 190% and is likely to hit over 200% next year in Greece. That compares to a predicted figure of 98-99% for year end 2015 in Ireland the possibility that it will fall below 95% in 2016.

Which country is in a better state economically Ireland or Greece?

The Greek economy was predicted to grow by over 3% in 2015 in late 2014, then the clueless communists in Syriza came to power last January and as a result of their incompetence the Greek economy is predicted to decline between 2-3% this year. In Ireland the economy is likely to grow by over 5% this year.

Alexis Tsipras and his former finance minister Yanis Varoufakis completely messed up between January-July 2015 and agreed to another bailout which includes tax rises and large scale privatisation.

Their government debt is unsustainable at over €320 billion and they will probably get a write off of at least 50% in the next few years but they will have to undergo some extreme austerity first which was completely against the Syriza manifesto.
Oct 22, 2015 9:02 AM CST The Budget
Jaymack: You think Ireland is doing good do you ? not in my circles and many other's.

People living on the Streets and being forced out of there homes by Banks,you think that's good do you ?

Ireland is no better since F/G and Labour took over from F/F and continued there policys despite promising not to.

You vote for F/G but don't peddle your Conservative views thinking you'll get a clear run here.

At least the Sun shines in Greece.

Don't see many F/G on the door steps these days,wonder why .


Less than 1% of mortgages than have been in arrears have resulted in the property been repossessed.

Ireland is one of the best countries in the World in which to fall into mortgage arrears. There needs to be more repos as a lack of repos is keeping house prices artificially high and preventing many First Time Buyers purchasing property.

I recently bought an apartment myself after putting down a decent deposit.
Oct 22, 2015 1:15 PM CST The Budget
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland645 Posts
kennyfromdublin: Less than 1% of mortgages than have been in arrears have resulted in the property been repossessed.

Ireland is one of the best countries in the World in which to fall into mortgage arrears. There needs to be more repos as a lack of repos is keeping house prices artificially high and preventing many First Time Buyers purchasing property.

I recently bought an apartment myself after putting down a decent deposit.


im gonna recommend you check out the work of american economist ellen brown regarding these issues. hopefully it ll change your views on our current economic methods. shes the best ive found so far with explaining this mess.

im deeply concerned whereby you say ireland lacks repos! very very scary stuff!
Oct 22, 2015 1:27 PM CST The Budget
Jaymack: You think Ireland is doing good do you ? not in my circles and many other's.

People living on the Streets and being forced out of there homes by Banks,you think that's good do you ?

Ireland is no better since F/G and Labour took over from F/F and continued there policys despite promising not to.

You vote for F/G but don't peddle your Conservative views thinking you'll get a clear run here.

At least the Sun shines in Greece.

Don't see many F/G on the door steps these days,wonder why .


I don't want a clear run.

Gov. will come to the end of its term with an unemployment rate of about 7.5% and healthy economic growth.. That would have been unthinkable not so many years' ago.
Oct 22, 2015 1:37 PM CST The Budget
snowlynx: I don't want a clear run.

Gov. will come to the end of its term with an unemployment rate of about 7.5% and healthy economic growth.. That would have been unthinkable not so many years' ago.


the vast majority of those people going back to work are on minimum wage or not far off it and a laden down with debt..yeah its great they've jobs but what kind of life is that always in debt..the working poor and it'll be like that for the next 10 yearssad flower
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